Në gjurmë të gërmave dhe shkrimit Pellazgo-Yllir

[alibaba]

Por kulmi arrihet kur ato shpallen te vjetra jo me heret se periudha arkaike, ose kur shpallen te ardhura prej fenikasve jo me larg se 1100-900 BCE.

Ka pasur ngatërrim sa i përket fenikasve.

Vetë fenikasit e Libanit nuk e quanin veten me këtë emër.

Emri fenikas rrjedh nga "Fojniks" që dmth flokë-kaftë. Me këtë nënkuptoheshin Kadmi dhe ilirë të tjerë që sollën shkrimin nga Iliria.

Qyteti i Phoenices në Epir tregon se prej nga erdh Kadmi.

Më vonë me emrin Fenikas janë quajtur fenikasit dhe madje janë ngatërruar fenikasit e Azisë me fenikasit e vërtetë.

[klaus fisher]

Jam kurioz te lexoj opinionin e ish-kolegut dhe ish-bashkeqytetarit te prof. Cabejit per #1981 dhe#1982 (natyrisht nese deshiron ta shkruaje) .Respekt per dias10 dhe alibaba !

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Ka pasur ngatërrim sa i përket fenikasve.

Vetë fenikasit e Libanit nuk e quanin veten me këtë emër.

Emri fenikas rrjedh nga "Fojniks" që dmth flokë-kaftë. Me këtë nënkuptoheshin Kadmi dhe ilirë të tjerë që sollën shkrimin nga Iliria.

Qyteti i Phoenices në Epir tregon se prej nga erdh Kadmi.

Më vonë me emrin Fenikas janë quajtur fenikasit dhe madje janë ngatërruar fenikasit e Azisë me fenikasit e vërtetë.

Po c' Liban.....Libani eshte nje grimce qe nuk identifikon dot te teren
Fenikasit jane nga rraca mistike ilire. Po cuditerisht ata anashkalohen lehtesisht edhe pse gjurmet e tyre jane rreth e qark planetit. Ne kete teme kam postuar nje fragment mbishkrimesh te tilla nga amerika latine.
Pyetja eshte e thjeshte
Pse nuk quhen "greke" ato mbishkrime?

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When Cadmus was obliged to quit Thebes, Harmonia accompanied him. When they came to the Encheleans, they assisted them in their war against the Illyrians, and conquered the enemy. Cadmus then became king of the Illyrians, but afterwards he and Harmonia were metamorphosed into dragons and transferred to Elysium; or, according to others, they were carried thither in a chariot drawn by dragons. (Apollod. iii. 5. § 4; Eurip. Bacch. 1233; Ov. Met. iv. 562, &c.)


Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 3. 39 :
"Kadmos and Harmonia left Thebes and went to the Enkhelean people. They were being harassed by the Illyrians, and learned from the god through an oracle that they would overpower the Illyrians if they had Kadmos and Harmonia as their leaders. Trusting this, they made these two their leaders in the campaign, and did indeed defeat the Illyrians. Kadmos ruled the Illyrians, and fathered a son named Illyrios, Later on, both he and Harmonia were turned into serpents, and were sent by Zeus out to the Elysian field."

Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 4. 518(trans. Rieu) (Greek epic C3rd B.C.) :
"By the deep and dark Illyrian river, where Harmonia and Kadmos were buried."

Callimachus, Aetia Fragment 11 :
"By the Illyrian Strait . . . near the stone of the snake, fair Harmonia."

Strabo, Geography 7. 7. 8 (trans. Jones) (Greek geographer C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) :
"It was the descendants of Kadmos and Harmonia who ruled over the Enkheleii [of Illyria]; and the scenes of the stories told about them are still pointed out there."

Pseudo-Hyginus, Fabulae 6 :
"Cadmus, son of Agenor and Argiope, along with Harmonia his wife, daughter of Venus [Aphrodite] and Mars [Ares], after their children had been killed, were turned into snakes in the region of Illyria by the wrath of Mars, because Cadmus had slain the dragon, guardian of the fountain of Castalia."

Ovid, Metamorphoses 4. 565 ff :
"Cadmus . . . overcome by sorrow and his train of troubles and so many warning signs, he left the city, Thebae, that he had founded, as if that city’s fortune, not his own, were crushing him, and with his pilgrim wife [Harmonia], after long wanderings reached Illyria. And now, worn by their woes and weight of years, the two were talking of their early times, the fortune of their house and their said toils, and Cadmus said `Was that a sacred Snake my spear transfixed when I had made my way from Sidon‘s walls and scattered on the soil the Serpent‘s teeth, those seeds of magic power? If it is he the jealous gods avenge with wrath so surely aimed, I pray that I may be a Snake and stretch along the ground.’ Even as he spoke he was a snake that stretched along the ground. Over his coarsened skin he felt scales form and bluish markings spot his blackened body. Prone upon his breast he fell; his legs were joined, and gradually they tapered to a long smooth pointed tail. He still had arms; the arms he had he stretched, and, as his tears poured down still human cheeks, `Come, darling wife [Harmonia]!’ he cried, `my poor, poor wife! Touch me, while something still is left of me, and take my hand while there‘s a hand to take, before the whole of me becomes a snake.’ More he had meant to say, but suddenly his tongue was split in tow; words failed his will; and every time he struggled to protest, he hissed; that was the voice that nature left. Beating her naked breast, his wife cried out `Stay, Cadmus, stay! Throw off that monstrous shape! Cadmus, what now? Your feet, your shoulders, hands where are they? And your colour and your shape, and, while I‘m speaking, everything? Ye Gods, why don‘t you turn me too into a snake?’ He licked his poor wife‘s cheeks, and glided down to her dear breasts, as if familiar there, and coiled, embracing, round the neck he knew. All who were there--and courtiers were there - were terrified; but she caressed and stroked her crested dragon‘s long neck, and then suddenly there were two, their coils entwined. They crawled for cover to a copse nearby; and still, what they once were, they keeping in mind, quiet snakes, that neither shun nor harm mankind. But ample solace for their altered shape they both found in their grandson [Dionysos], conqueror of India, worshipped in the new-built shrines of Greece."


Statius, Thebaid 2. 265 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) :
"The dread necklace of Harmonia . . . The Lemnian [Hephaistos], so they of old believed, long time distressed at Mars’ [Ares’] deceit and seeing that no punishment gave hindrance to the disclosed armour [with his wife Aphrodite], and the avenging chains removed not the offence, wrought this for Harmonia [the child born of the armour] on her bridal day to be the glory of her dower . . . The work first proved its worth, when Harmonia’s complaints turned to dreadful hissing, and she bore company to grovelling Cadmus, and with long trailing breast drew furrows in the Illyrian fields."

Statius, Thebaid 3. 288 ff :
"[Aphrodite addresses Ares :] `Have I not suffered wrong enough, that my daughter [Harmonia] crawls her length upon the ground, and spews poison on the Illyrian grass [she was transformed by the god into a serpent].'"

Nonnus, Dionysiaca 44. 106 ff :
"[As Kadmos was sacrificing to Zeus :] A serpent crept with its coils, surrounding the throat of Kadmos like a garland, twining and trailing a crooked swollen collar about it in a lacing circle but doing no harm--the gentle creature crept round his head like a trailing chaplet, and his tongue licked his chin all over dribbling the friendly poison from open mouth, quite harmless; a female snake girdled the temples of Harmonia like a wreath of clusters in her yellow hair. Then Kronion turned the bodies of both snakes to stone, because Harmonia and Kadmos were destined to change their appearance and to assume the form of stone snakes, at the mouth of the snakebreading Illyrian gulf."

Nonnus, Dionysiaca 46. 364 ff :
"Over the Illyrian country to the land of the Western sea he [Dionysos] sped, and banished Harmonia with Kadmos her agemate, both wanderers, for whom kreeping Time had in store a change into the shape of a snaky stone."


Statius, Thebaid 2. 265 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) :
"For thou wast wearing, Argia [at her marriage to Polyneikes], the ill-starred ornament of thy husband’s giving, the dread necklace of Harmonia. Far back the story runs, but I will pursue the well-known tale of woes, whence came it that a new gift had such terrible power. The Lemnian [Hephaistos], so they of old believed, long time distressed at Mars’ [Ares’] deceit and seeing that no punishment gave hindrance to the disclosed armour, and the avenging chains removed not the offence [of his affair with Hephaistos’ then wife Aphrodite], wrought this for Harmonia on her bridal day to be the glory of her dower. Thereat, though taught mightier tasks, the Cyclopes labour, and the Telchines famed for their handiwork helped in friendly rivalry of their skill; but for himself the sweat of toil was heaviest. There forms he a circlet of emeralds glowing with a hidden fire, and adamant stamped with figures of ill omen, and Gorgon eyes, and embers left on the Sicilian anvil from the last shaping of a thunderbolt, and the crests that shine on the heads of green serpents; then the dolorous fruit of the Hesperides and the dread gold of Phrixus’ fleece; then divers plagues doth he intertwine, and the king adder snatched from Tisiphone’s grisly locks, and the wicked power that commends the girdle [of Aphrodite]; all these he cunningly anoints about with lunar foam, and pours over them the poison of delight. Not Pasithea, eldest of the gracious sisters, nor Decor (Charm) nor the Idalian youth did mould it, but Luctus (Grief), and all the Irae (Passions), and Dolor (Anguish) and Discordia (Discord) [Eris], with all the craft of her right hand. The work first proved its worth, when Harmonia’s complaints turned to dreadful hissing, and she bore company to grovelling Cadmus, and with long trailing breast drew furrows in the Illyrian fields [the pair were turned into serpents in Illyria]. Next, scarce had shameless Semele put the hurtful gift about her neck, when lying Juno [Hera] crossed her threshold. Thou too, unhappy Jocasta, didst, as they say, possess the beauteous, baleful thing, and didst deck thy countenance with its praise--on what a couch, alas! to find favour; and many more beside. Last Argia shines in the splendour of the gift, and in pride of ornament and accursed gold surpassed her sister’s mean attiring. The wife of the doomed prophet [Eriphyle wife of Amphiaraus] beheld it, and at every shrine and banquet in secret cherished fierce jealousy, if only it might be granted her to possess the terrible jewel, nought profited, alas!"



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Pra cuditerisht, iliret edhe pse Kadëm os in udheheqes ngelen pa germa.
Dy mundesi ka ose Kadëmos i harroi shkronjat, ose ishin njeperdorimshe dhe u bene greke sapo greket i preken kur u dhane ionianet pellazge

[alibaba]

Po c' Liban.....Libani eshte nje grimce qe nuk identifikon dot te teren

Të thashë që është bërë ngatërrim nga autorët e mëvonshëm. Çfarë ka këtu për t'u kundërshtuar?

[Kreksi]

Ka pasur ngatërrim sa i përket fenikasve.

Vetë fenikasit e Libanit nuk e quanin veten me këtë emër.

Emri fenikas rrjedh nga "Fojniks" që dmth flokë-kaftë. Me këtë nënkuptoheshin Kadmi dhe ilirë të tjerë që sollën shkrimin nga Iliria.

Qyteti i Phoenices në Epir tregon se prej nga erdh Kadmi.

Më vonë me emrin Fenikas janë quajtur fenikasit dhe madje janë ngatërruar fenikasit e Azisë me fenikasit e vërtetë.

alibaba, ku ke te drejte te jepi te drejte, pra ke zberthyer thelbin e temes deh ate me dy rreshta, edhepse jemi munduar me muaj te terë ta gjejme nje fill te shkrimit ilire apo pellazgë, keta dy rreshta jane te volus se Kadmosi nese erdhi ne iliri ai me siguri solli me vete edhe shkrimin, mirepo tani shtrohet edhe pytja tjeter;

[Kreksi]

Ka pasur ngatërrim sa i përket fenikasve.

Vetë fenikasit e Libanit nuk e quanin veten me këtë emër.

Emri fenikas rrjedh nga "Fojniks" që dmth flokë-kaftë. Me këtë nënkuptoheshin Kadmi dhe ilirë të tjerë që sollën shkrimin nga Iliria.

Qyteti i Phoenices në Epir tregon se prej nga erdh Kadmi.

Më vonë me emrin Fenikas janë quajtur fenikasit dhe madje janë ngatërruar fenikasit e Azisë me fenikasit e vërtetë.

alibaba, ku ke te drejte te jepi te drejte, pra ke zberthyer thelbin e temes deh ate me dy rreshta, edhepse jemi munduar me muaj te terë ta gjejme nje fill te shkrimit ilire apo pellazgë, keta dy rreshta jane te volus se Kadmosi nese erdhi ne iliri ai me siguri solli me vete edhe shkrimin, mirepo tani shtrohet edhe pytja tjeter;
A thua mos Kadmosi eshte kthyer ne atdheun e te parve te tij ?
Pra me nje fjalë, nga Foenikeja e Shqiperis kan vajtur keta banor atje ne Libanin e sotem Libanon, e pastaj kadmos kthehet me vone,
Si shifet, ka mundesi qe shkrimin e sollen nga epiri ne Libanon e jo e kunderta;
Nese ia hedhim nje shikim hartes e shofim se ku eshte Libani e ku eshte Shqiperia, pse valle Kadmosi mos te ndalej diku me afer ne greqi por ti kaloje te gjitha ato vende e te ndalet si me parashut e vetem ne Epir ?

[XH.GASHI]

Afer vendit Los Lunas ne Amerike eshte zbuluar ky shkrim ne gure eshte shkruar para 2700-2800 vitesh .