Minoriteti grek ne Shqiperi

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Encyclopedia Britannica Online artikull mbi North Epirus:

Shortly after the defeat of Turkey by the Balkan allies, a conference of ambassadors of the Great Powers (Britain, Germany, Russia, Austria-Hungary, France, and Italy) convened in London in December 1912 to settle the outstanding issues raised by the conflict. With support given to the Albanians by Austria-Hungary and Italy, the conference agreed to create an independent state of Albania. But, in drawing the borders of the new state, owing to strong pressure from Albania's neighbours, the Great Powers largely ignored demographic realities and ceded the vast region of Kosovo to Serbia, while, in the south, Greece was given the greater part of Çamëria, a part of the old region of Epirus centred on the Thíamis River. Many observers doubted whether the new state would be viable with about one-half of Albanian lands and population left outside its borders, especially since these lands were the most productive in food grains and livestock. On the other hand, a small community of about 35,000 ethnic Greeks was included within Albania's borders. (However, Greece, which counted all Albanians of the Orthodox faith—20 percent of the population—as Greeks, claimed that the number of ethnic Greeks was considerably larger.) Thereafter, Kosovo and the Greek minority remained troublesome issues in Albanian-Greek and Albanian-Yugoslav relations.

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Risk Assessment (Last Updated December 31, 2000)

The situation of ethnic Greeks living in Albania seems to be well under control. At present, the group has very low risks of rebellion. Over the recent years, the group has experienced an increase in minority rights, in line with the general democratic changes that have taken place in Albania since 1990. The Greeks' major complaints under the government of the Democratic Party, their cultural discrimination and lack of access to the electoral process, do not constitute a real concern for this group as of mid-1999. The cultural rights of the ethnic Greeks have been officially protected since 1997 when the Albanian Socialist government committed itself to a policy of providing opportunities for the ethnic Greeks "to be educated in their native language and to move freely wherever it is good for them" (Fatos Nano). In addition, ethnic Greeks living in Albania have benefited economically, due to the special relationship they enjoy with Greece. In short, the unopposed ethnic Greeks' participation in Albanian politics indicates that the group is unlikely to experience disadvantages from policies of deliberate group discrimination.

Nevertheless, many serious risks remain. Chief among them is the general instability and hardship created by Albania’s rocky democratic and economic transition, which add fuel to Albanian and Greek nationalist rhetoric. Also to be considered are the activities of neighboring Greece, which has advanced political, diplomatic, financial and military support to the Albanian Socialists, the traditional ally of the Greek minority. The Greek government's support of the Albanian Socialists has impacted the internal balance of political forces in Albania. In addition, elements within the Greek Orthodox Church seem very willing to support irredentist operations in southern Albania, and the past and present governments have been willing to use nationalism as political capital for diversionary and electoral benefits. The combination of a desperate group with an organized and powerful supporter can lead to greater volatility.

With continued instability in Albania, and with the continued encouragement of ethnic Greek irredentism from elements within Greece, the possibility of overt and formal acts of Albanian discrimination against ethnic Greeks is a real one. Incentives exist for those in power in both countries to use the issue as political capital, and a short term escalation of conflict may occur before the resolution of underlying problems such as the refugee influx, and Greek interference in Albanian internal affairs.

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Analytic Summary
Concentrated in the Southern part of the country adjacent to the state borders with Greece (REGIONAL = 1, GROUPCON = 3), ethnic Greeks constitute linguistically, culturally, and religiously distinct minority in Albania. The group’s identity is essentially inseparable from the Orthodox Christian faith (ETHNOG = 1, LANG = 1, CUSTOM = 1, BELIEF = 3, RELIGS1 = 3, ETHDIFXX = .

Like other ethnic minorities in the Balkan states, the Greek minority within Albania can point to a long history to legitimize its ties to portions of southern Albania. Parts of modern day southern Albania, referred to as Northern Epirus by Greeks, served as homes to Hellenized peoples with the culture and language of Greece (AUTLOST = 2). The region's Greek characteristics did not erode after its Roman domination in 167 B.C., and Epirus served as a Hellenized principality under the ensuing Byzantine Empire (476 A.D.). Although ethnic Greek claims to portions of southern Albania can be substantiated historically, the degree of Epirotan penetration into present day southern Albania, in terms of population, territory, and culture, is heavily disputed. By 1354 the Ottoman Empire had consumed much of the Balkans, and in 1453, the Turkish conquest of Constantinople (Istanbul) marked the end of the Byzantine Empire and ushered in four hundred years of Turkish hegemony. Under the control of the Ottoman Empire, the majority of Albanians gradually converted to the faith of their conquerors. Lacking the deep Christian roots of other conquered peoples, ethnic Albanians readily accepted Islam in order to maintain ownership over their lands, and to receive preferential treatment. In the 18th century, while under the effective control of Albanian feudal lords, a major influx of Greeks settled in present day Gjirokaster district of southern Albania to labor as field workers (TRADITN = 2). In the early 20th century, turbulence and tumult devastated Eastern Europe as warring armies battled the decaying Ottoman Empire. Following the Turkish Revolution of 1908-09, and the Turko-Italian war of 1911-12, the Balkan nations of Greece, Serbia, Montenegro, and Bulgaria united to rid the region of Ottoman influence and bring to fruition their own territorial desires. The Balkan Wars of 1912 and 1913 greatly expanded the prestige and territory of Greece and Serbia. Under these circumstances, effective lobbying by Albanian nationalists, and attempts to contain the power of Serbia and Greece, resulted in the creation of the modern Albanian nation by a commission given that task by the Conference of Ambassadors of the five great powers in 1913. The politics of force and intrigue were the order of day, and the borders created and conquered by Balkan nations in the early 20th century left millions of ethnic Albanians within Serbia and Montenegro, and left the Greek claims on southern Albania (Northern Epirus) unfulfilled. The years of the two World Wars brought about cycles of Albanian, Greek, Italian, and German control over southern Albania, but the borders between Greece and Albania remained essentially unchanged from the 1913 frontiers created by the Conference of Ambassadors. Greek supporters of unification with southern Albania also cite the 1914 Protocol of Corfu, which essentially designated all of southern Albania to belong to Greece. However, the 1921 Paris Conference annulled the Protocol of Corfu, and validated the 1913 borders created by the Conference of Ambassadors. From 1944 to April 1985, Albania existed under the absolutist rule of Enver Hoxha. Although violations of human rights were all too common and political prisoners numbered well into the thousands, the Greek minority has not been the target of specific discrimination. With the death of Enver Hoxha in April of 1985, and the final demise of communist hegemony in March of 1992, Albania headed in a completely different direction. After forty years of centralized rule, Albania attempted to follow a path defined by capitalism and freer political participation. As a country whose every institution was centrally controlled, Albania quickly disintegrated economically and politically.


Amid such high levels of economic ruin and social unrest, it is difficult to judge and substantiate any campaign of discrimination against ethnic Greeks in southern Albania. The group does not suffer disproportionate levels of demographic or ecological stress (DEMSTR99-00 =0, ECOSTR99-00 = 0). While all Albanians face high levels of economic stress due to Albania’s tumultuous economic transition, ethnic Greeks have in fact been favored in granting visas, residence and work permits, receiving education for their children, and enjoying medical assistance, etc. in Greece. In this respect, Albanian citizens with ethnic Greek background have been privileged. There have also been improvements in the group’s cultural and political representation. The Greeks' major complaints under the government of the Democratic Party, their cultural discrimination and lack of access to the electoral process, do not constitute a real concern for this group as of mid-1999. The cultural rights of the ethnic Greeks have been officially protected since 1997 when the Albanian Socialist government committed itself to a policy of providing opportunities for the ethnic Greeks to be educated in their native language.


Nonetheless, this does not mean that there are no problems at all. Group’s main demands have been focused for some time on the opening of new Greek language classes in cities with a large proportion of ethnic Greeks, such as Gjirokaster, Saranda and Delvina as well as on strengthening the implementation of newly adopted minority laws.


Several conventional political parties serve as the main platform for voicing group’s grievances and demands, including the Democratic Union of Greek Ethnic Minority, the Human Rights Party, and The Union of Human Rights Party, among others. In addition, Albanian Greeks have traditionally found an important ally in the Albanian Socialist Party, which according to some observers raises suspicions about Greek conspiracy in Albanian politics.


Also to be considered are the activities of neighboring Greece – the main external sponsor of the group – which has advanced political, diplomatic, financial and military support to the Albanian Socialists. The Greek government's support of the Albanian Socialists has impacted the internal balance of political forces in Albania.


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From the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (© 1911) Volume 1 pp 483:


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The population of Albania may be estimated at between 1,600,000 and 1,500,000, of whom 1,200,000 or 1,100,000 are Albanians. Of the other races the Slavs (Serbs and Bulgars) are the next most numerous, possibly numbering 250,000. Servian settlements exist in various parts of Northern Albania; there is a strong Bulgarian colony in the neighborhood of Dibra and Orchrida. Further south, Mount Zygos and the Pindus range-the "Great Wallachia" of the middle ages-are inhabited by Vlachs or Tzintzars who possibly number 70,000. Some Turkish colonies are also found in the south-eastern districts. There is a considerable Greek-speaking population in Epiros (including many Mohommedan Albanians), which must, however, be distinguished from the genuine Greeks of Iannina, Preveza and the extreme south; these may be estimated at 100,000. The population of the Vilayent of Scutari is given as 237,000, that of the vilayent of Iannian as 552,000.
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Iannina/Epirus 1900:
382,000 Albanians (69.20%)
100,000 Greeks (18.12%)70,000 Vlachs (12.68%)
552,000 Total

South Epirus 1900:*
145,000 Albanians (50.88%)
70,000 Greeks (24.56%)70,000 Vlachs (24.56%)
285,000 Total

North Epirus 1900:*
237,000 Albanians (88.76%)
30,000 Greeks (11.24%)267,000 Total

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"The Greeks, who dominated the education of Orthodox Albanians, joined the Turks in suppressing the Albanians' culture, especially Albanian-language education. In 1886 the ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople threatened to excommunicate anyone found reading or writing Albanian, and priests taught that God would not understand prayers uttered in Albanian."

reference.allrefer.com/country-guide-study/albania/albania17.html

Si rezultat i ketij qendrimi te grekerve, ne vitin 1912:

"Albanian was often the language of the older generation,
and Greek of the younger, as well as of industrial, intellectual and religious life."

http://66.218.71.225/search/cache?p=...icp=1&.intl=us

Persa i perket Korces:

[In Korca there is a] complete absence of Greek nationals. Nevertheless, a certain proportion of the population
(less than one-third) is, for various reasons, opposed to the present regime. The Grecophile element, which
included a great number of fervent adherents to Greek culture, fears the creation of an Albanian autocephalous
[Orthodox] Church, which is desired by the Albanian nationalists, may cause an open rupture with the Patriarch
of Constantinople (Commission of Inquiry 1922, p. 2).


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[King_Gentius]

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The Albanian population extends over all Attica and Megaris (except the towns of Athens, Peiraeus and Megara), the greater part of Boeotia, the eastern districts of Locris, the southern half of Euboea and the northern side of Andros, the whole of the islands of Salamis, Hydra, Spetsae and Poros, and part of Aegina, the whole of Corinthia and Argolis, the northern districts of Arcadia and the eastern portion of Achaea. There are also small Albanian groups in Laconia and Messenia.
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http://95.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GR/GREECE.htm

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""October 30, 1913, Austria and Italy sent a collective note to Greece charging that Greek terrorization in Epirus prevented the delimitation work of the commission, that in such cases of terrorization the commission would consider the village ipso facto Albanian, and finally demanded that Greece evacuate Albanian territory by December 31, 1912. The Greek reply (November 3) denied these charges and declared that the trouble arose from the inclusion of Greek population in Albania. ""


http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/boshtml/bos147.htm

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Rezultatet:


1) Any attempt to redraw the frontier more in line with the ethnic composition of the country would produce a very peculiar boundary. The villages near Himarë are isolated from those further south. The villages in the south of the country between Sarandë and the Greek border are cordoned off from this border by a line of villages, Vrine, Xarrë, Shkallë and the town of Konispol, inhabited by Vlachs or Tsams (although Mursi is apparently Albanian Orthodox). There is a large pocket of Greek villages north of Vagalat stretching as far as Finiq, but to the east of these is the village of Pandejlemon, entirely Tsam, and to the west Sopik, which is Albanian. This pocket almost, but not quite, reaches the Greek villages of the Drino valley, as Muzine on the pass is Albanian-speaking, although the church is being restored with aid from Cyprus. The villages on both sides of the Drino are Greek as far as Delvican, just south of Gjirokastër, but between these villages and the area around Poliçan there are Albanians at Libohovo and Vlachs further north. This is the present position; it is very difficult indeed to find out what the position was a hundred or even fifty years ago. It is clear that in and just after the war a good deal of what is now called ethnic cleansing took place.

2) It seems from my examination that the number of Greek speakers has been greatly exaggerated. Commentators give a variety of figures ranging from 40,000 to 400,000 and say that certainty is difficult to achieve in view of conflicting claims and conflicting criteria. Albanian census figures on Greek speakers showed 40,000 in 1961 and 58,000 in 1981, a rise in proportion to a general increase in the population. The figure of 400,000 can only be reached if we count as Greeks not only Vlachs, but all Orthodox Albanians, whether they speak Greek, Albanian, Slav or Vlach. This was the figure given in The Independent of 17 August, 1993. British commentators tend to look at figures halfway between the maximum and minimum figure. This applies to both Greeks and Vlachs, and there are some equally wild claims by emigre Vlach organizations, but the official figures are as low as 10,000. Of course there are other ways of increasing the number of Greeks and Vlachs. Quite a few Albanians know some Greek. Quite a few claim Greek or Vlach origin. Given the urge to escape Albania at all costs it would be tempting to claim Greek or Romanian consciousness. But the criterion of speaking the language regularly at home is probably the most objective.

My own estimate using this criterion would be that there are about 40,000 Greeks in the area under discussion and about 15,000 Vlachs. I would also guess with rather less first-hand evidence that in the rest of the country there are about 20,000 Greeks and 35,000 Vlachs. I base my calculations on the following considerations:

· The useful, if eccentrically written map, entitled Republic of Albania, Organizative Administration, published in 1993 has some interesting statistics. It gives the total population of the Sarandë, Delvinë and Gjirokastër districts as 158,110. To this we must add the area around Himarë, with about 9,000 inhabitants. The map also gives the population of various sub-districts and the number of villages in each sub-district, although it is less informative about what villages are in each sub-district. The population of Gjirokastër is given at 24,200, Sarandë as 25,400, Delvinë and five surrounding villages as 10,800. From this population I have assumed 15,000 to be Greek. From the sub-districts of Livadha (fifteen villages, population 8,600), Dhiver (eleven villages, population 5,400), Vrisera (eighteen villages, population 17,900), Sofratike (sixteen villages, population 5,100), Poliçan (six villages, population 2,300), Finiq (seventeen villages, population 10,000) and Mesopotan (fifteen villages, population 5,100), I have assumed 20,000 to be Greek. With the exception of Vrisera, of which I know nothing, all the names I have mentioned I know to be Greek-speaking villages in every sub-district. Seven villages in the Himarë district are supposed to be Greek, and I have assumed a population of 5,000 here. More exact census figures could prove me wrong.

· My figures for Vlachs are based on visits to a number of villages near Sarandë and Gjirokastër. Novoke and Andon Poci were totally Vlach, Shkallë 70% Vlach, Labova ë Madhë 50% Vlach, a number of other villages north-east of Gjirokastër 25% Vlach. All these are in sub-districts outside the Greek sub-districts I have mentioned previously. Inside the sub-districts, reducing the number of Greeks are Vlach communities at Stjar, Bakaj, Metoq and Poliçan. Interestingly, the sub-districts of Labova ë Madhë, which I began to explore, and Nivan in the Zagorie, which I looked at wistfully from Poliçan in a hail storm, have fourteen villages and a total population of 29,000. If half of these villages had Vlach inhabitants and were like Labova ë Madhë divided equally between Vlachs and non-Vlachs this would give a Vlach population of 7,250 for these two northern sub-districts alone. I think I have met enough Vlachs in Stjar, Shkallë, Novoke, etc. to boost this figure to 10,000 without fear of contradiction and am assuming that the remaining five thousand could be found in the rest of the three districts, including the three main towns.

· The districts of Permet and Ersekë are sparsely populated (70,000 inhabitants) and though they border on Greece do not, I think, have many Greek speakers. There are plenty of Vlachs, notably at Borove and around Frashër, a town which gave its name to Farsherotsi, a general name for Albanian Vlachs. The small district of Billisht (30,000) inhabitants contains few Vlachs and probably more Greeks. The district of Korçë, which only just borders on Greece near Lake Prespa, is a large one with 192,000 inhabitants. For some reason Albanians are insistent that there are few if any Greeks here, perhaps because Korçë (or Koritsa as the Greeks like to call it) always formed part of the Greek claim, and there was a border rectification in favor of Albania after the First World War. There are in this area important and old Vlach settlements like Voskopojë and Vithuq and interesting Slav villages.

I visited Borovë in 1993. The founders of the main Vlach society in America, the Society Farsarotul, came from southern Albania.

In 1913 Greece was awarded the largely Slav-speaking area to the west of Lake Prespa. This was restored to Albania reluctantly in 1926, there being minor border rectifications simultaneously near Lake Ohrid with Yugoslavia. In the Second World War as in the First, Greece occupied Korçë briefly, and Albania subsequently gained territory to the east of Lake Ohrid (albeit for a short period).

More work needs to be done here and also of course in towns like Tirana, although Greek and Vlach speech tends to die out in towns, and many of the so-called Greeks in Tirana and Elbasan are in fact Vlachs.

3) There has been of course some inter-ethnic tension. In April 1994, two Albanian soldiers were shot in the Greek village of Peshkepi. In September, five Greek Albanians were sentenced to imprisonment in connection with this crime, but in February 1995 their sentences were commuted and a new apparently more friendly period of relations between Greece and Albania was inaugurated. I had been warned of danger because of inter-ethnic tension and the problems of illegal immigration to Greece, but was everywhere treated with great courtesy and hospitality, even though I made it clear that I was interested in ethnic minorities. Unlike Yugoslavia, Albania has a tradition of inter-religious tolerance, and this was probably fostered by Enver Hoxha’s ban on all religions. Hoxha was fairly kind to the Greeks, allowing them to have educational rights. By settling in strategic villages Vlachs who were in some sense Greeks and yet not Greeks, and by settling Tsams, who were in some sense Albanians and not Albanians, Hoxha did something to create racial harmony. The Tsams had been evicted from their homes and the Vlachs had no settled homes; by giving them homes Hoxha did much to ensure their loyalty.

4) Of course all is not entirely sweetness and light, although I was frequently assured that it was. The emigration to Greece has meant that the land is sadly neglected, the fields untilled, the terraces ignored, the fruit trees cut down for firewood, the irrigation channels turned into marshy swamps. The Greeks probably have the best chance of getting visas for Greece, followed by the Vlachs, and this has brought prosperity to some homes, although it has also shattered families and brought about a certain amount of envy from people like the Tsams who are less welcome in Greece. In the matter of redistribution of land there is a question mark over the claims of Tsams and Vlachs, both of whom arrived late in the day.

5) It is the contention of Professor Hammond that the Greeks were the original inhabitants of this area and the Albanians and Vlachs latecomers. This is the official Greek line, coinciding with the view that ?Macedonia was and is and always will be Greek.? Albanian historians are keen to stress that even southern Albania was largely inhabited by Illyrians until conquered by Rome, and they claim Pyrrhus of Epirus as one of their heroes. I was asked by a kindly policeman at Sarandë whether I thought Pyrrhus was Greek or Albanian, and gave a diplomatic answer, wondering if many Albanians at Heathrow were being quizzed about the ancient Britons. I cannot see that it particularly matters whether the Greeks or the Albanians got to southern Albania first. Clearly there were often movements of population. The Byzantine empire lost control in the seventh century, regained it in the tenth, lost it again in the fourteenth century when Albanians and Vlachs penetrated far into Greece. Churches provide some evidence here. Information from Ottoman sources and English travellers suggest that at the beginning of the nineteenth century the valley of the Drino was still largely Albanian. The pocket near Himarë and Poliçan may have always been Greek.

The position of the Vlachs is more obscure. In most villages I was assured that the Vlachs had been wandering the land until the end of the war when Hoxha had settled them first in straw huts and then in 1967 had built houses for them. What I could not find out is how long they had been wandering. Hammond talks of Vlach shepherds in the area before the war, and there are photographic records of these Vlachs. In one or two settlements there were old churches, and in one or two, notably Labove ë Madhë and Hlomo there were the kind of large houses built by rich merchants that I have seen in such Vlach settlements as Kruševo (Yugoslavia) and Neveska (Greece), although when I asked about these merchants I was told that they were either Albanians or Greeks. Even if they were Vlach that still does not take the Vlachs back beyond the eighteenth century.

The fact is, the history of the Vlachs for the two thousand years after the Roman invasion of the Balkans still remains largely a mystery. But it is a mystery I hope to unravel by further visits to Albania.




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[1vjecari]

me duket se i ka ardhur koha e grekve per eliminim e vetvetes

[KALIBO]

Ke kjo temë kur e lezoj kshu më shko menja ke thonja e tkahershmve.

SHQIPERIA E SHQIPTARVE VDEKJE E TRADHETARVE.!

[andi podvorica]

Fjala jote ne vesh te zotit e une mundem me AMIN!

[andi podvorica]

E kam nje ide ,ti marr qeveria shqiptare nja 500mije kosovar e ti vendos atje ne jug te Shqiperis, keshtu qe ta forcon kufirin me nje nacionalizm te forte shqiptar se edhe ashtu Kosova eshte e mbi populluar.Sipas regjistrimit te popullsis me 1991 Kosova kishte dy milion shqiptar ,tani me 2005 duke marre parasysh natalitetin e madh te kosovarve, ku mesatarisht nje familje ka nga pese femije ateher ma merr mendja se Kosova ka diku tre milion shqiptar.He juve cka ju merr mendja ,se mos po ja prishi ketij jaranit TEMEN me kete ide.

[Llapi]

E kam nje ide ,ti marr qeveria shqiptare nja 500mije kosovar e ti vendos atje ne jug te Shqiperis, keshtu qe ta forcon kufirin me nje nacionalizm te forte shqiptar se edhe ashtu Kosova eshte e mbi populluar.Sipas regjistrimit te popullsis me 1991 Kosova kishte dy milion shqiptar ,tani me 2005 duke marre parasysh natalitetin e madh te kosovarve, ku mesatarisht nje familje ka nga pese femije ateher ma merr mendja se Kosova ka diku tre milion shqiptar.He juve cka ju merr mendja ,se mos po ja prishi ketij jaranit TEMEN me kete ide.

LLapjan a ma mier eshte ti vendosim ne veri te Kosoves pikerishte ne veri te Mitrovices ata 500 mije shqiptar te Kosoves ,a ne jug te Shqiperis siq propozon ti???

[Xhixhua]

Kjo oshte per Gentin!

Lale me kenoqe me informacionet. Te lumte. Po kom i verejtje shoqerore. Ky forum shifet ka gjithe "Katunarlliku" shqiptar. Po ata qe se kon haberin e anglishtes ca te bojne?

[Xhixhua]

LLapjan a ma mier eshte ti vendosim ne veri te Kosoves pikerishte ne veri te Mitrovices ata 500 mije shqiptar te Kosoves ,a ne jug te Shqiperis siq propozon ti???

Kjo eshte diskutu ene i here tjeter prej meje ne mjellmes shife linkun. Vallahi bilahi or ti..une ide ma te bukur se kam nigju naihere dhe dasht zoti me ja picku nai politkanit tone trunin per ket. A e di ti sesi i rregullo punet e epirit ky muhabet ere. Osht tamom si then neve "me te qeshme me te njeshme" as greku ska ca thote se kto jan pune te brendshme te shqiprise se ku jetojne robt e vet, as greke te tjere nuk i sjell dot, ene kosovaret lirohen ene ne fitojme ene greku ha tullumin qe mas 100 vjetesh tu mullim halen se epiri ka pas den babaden vetem shqiptare gjo qe oshte e vertet po sa me u kundervone.Se ene kta qurret grek kshu bon me camet, i qiten jashte kufinit dhe tani thojne me plot gojen qe ktu ska cam.
sa per tu pergjigj ty or ti mik per punen e mitrovices shifepak ate quoten e atij luftetarit tone se ca ka thone per ndarjen e shqipris ne 1912.
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[King_Gentius]

Me vjen keq qe informacioni eshte ne anglisht, po do me merrte shume kohe te perktheja gjithshka. Megjithate, eshte gje e mire qe keto burime jane ne anglisht qe ti tregoni grekeve qe e verteta eshte nga ana jone. Greket nuk do kuptonin e nuk do ju besonin po te ishin keto burime ne shqip. Keshtu qe o burra mesoni anglisht, e perhapni fjalen e drejte.

Do thoni ju, se mos kupton pyka greku. Aty skam ca ju bej, lol. Te pakten mund te bindni me kollaj te huaj te tjere se greket jan pyka dhe genjeshtare, looooooooool.

[Iliriani]

http://www.top-channel.tv

STEFANOPULOS: SHQIPERIA MBAN TE PUSHTUARA TOKA GREKE

Ish-presidenti grek Kostas Stefanopulos, ne ditet e fundit te mandatit te tij presidencial nuk ka nguruar te hape nje polemike te re me Shqiperine. Gjate nje takimi me emigrante greke ne Bruksel, Stefanopullos citohet nga agjensite e lajmeve te akuzoje Shqiperine se mban te pushtuara toka greke. Studiues dhe analiste te ceshtjeve ballkanike e shohin kete si nje qendrim qe peshon ne mardheniet Shqiperi Greqi. Dy muaj me pare ne fund te vizites se tij ne Shquperi, Stefanopulos nuk mungoi te hape polemika se Greqia nuk ka hequr dore nga Epiri i Veriut. Per keto deklarata nuk ka patur asnje qendrim nga ana e Tiranes zyrtare

PS;Kjo verteton ato diskutime te bera ne kete forum per viziten e Stefanopulos ne Shqiperi e per ato lapidare te ushtrise greke ne Kelcyre e per citimin e vori-epirit kete shprehje e perdorur vetem shovinisteve grek nga presidenti i greqise.

[DYDRINAS]

Eshte nje liber shume i bukur qe eshte botuar ne te gjitha gjuhet kryesore;Une pata ne dore versionin e tij ne gjuhen gjermane.
Personat e interesuar mund t'a gjejne me kete titull:"CHRONIK DES 20 JAHRHUNDERTS"
Ne te ka shume pjese ku flitet per historine tone e nga keto une nxorra nder te tjera:

17 /10/ 1912 Mazedonien zahlt 1531000 Einwohner.
350000 Albaner, 410000 christlische Bulgaren,
28000 Turken,46000 mohammedanische Bulgaren,145000 Griechen,
120000 Serben,95000 Zinzaren,48000 Juden.
Po ketu tregohet shtrirja e Maqedonise e cila ne veri shkonte deri ne Manastir dhe Strumice,ne jugderi ne Arte,ne lindje deri ne Kavalla dhe Selanik,ne perendim deri ne kufirin e sotem shqiptar.

10 /8/ 1913 Griechenland erhalt den grosten Teil Sudmazedoniens und erhebt
Auspruche auf Epirus,das bisher zum turkischen Albanien gehorte.
Von den griechischen Truppen,die nach Epirus einmarschieren,
werden 70000 Albaner vertrieben.
faqe 161.
Greqia merr pjesen me te madhe te Maqedonise Jugore dhe shtron pretendimet per Epirin qe deri tash i perket Shqiperise turke(pra pjeses qe
ende ishte nen perandorine otomane).Nga trupat greke qe marshuan ne Epir u debuan 70000 shqiptare.
Pra behet fjale per vitin 1913,ende pa ardhur Lufta e II Boterore.
Me vone do te paraqes dokumente te tjera qe vlejne shume e nder to kam nje liber per Epirin i botuar ne vitin 1930,me titull "EPIRUS" ne gjuhen angleze me autor Geoffrey Neale Cross.
Megjithate fakti qe shqiptaret kerkojne rrenjet e tyre flet se cdo dite e me teper po rritet vetedija kombetare por nga ana tjeter jemi me te vertete nje popull i bute dhe aspak intolerant apo me keq racist sic ka nje teme ketu ne forum.
Ndersa sa i perket Stefanopulos me duhet te theksoj se ai nuk ben gje tjeter vecse detyren si grek qe eshte e ne nga ana jone nuk duhet te bijme ne kurthin e bashkemendimtareve te tij brenda apo jashte kufinjve te sotem.Sic ben ai detyren e tij ashtu dhe shqiptaret duhet te bejne detyren e tyre.

[King_Gentius]

Keta jane tre greke qe kane luftuar kunder Shqiperise per pavaresine e Epirit Verior. Kerkohen gjalle a vdekur per nje napolon secili.

[DYDRINAS]

Kush ka mundesi te gjeje librat e autoreve te poshteshenuar do te kuptoje shume mire se cfare prejardhje ka Epiri i Veriut dhe i Jugut.

1. E.Meyer "Geschichte des Altertums" vol.III,IV,V Stuttgart
2. M.P.Nilsson "Studien zur Geschichte des alten Epeiros"-Lunds Universiteits Arsskrift