Hipoteza pseudoshkencore e "Prejardhjes se shqiptarëve nga Azerbajxhani"

[sFeTigRaD]

Historianet Grek dhe Serb dhe sidomos ata Serb bejne nje propogande te fuqishme per sa i perket lidhjes tone me Albani-ne e Kaukazit . Sigurisht atyre nuk ju shkon pershtat teza e vazhdimesise Iliro -Shqiptare qe ka edhe vlere politike dhe kjo propogande synon te godase pikerisht kete Teze . Asnje historian ne Bote pervec (serbeve dhe Grekve ) nuk e ve ne diskutim mundesine se Shqiptaret mund te kene ardhur nga Kaukazi .Duke haput kete teme i keni bere jehone vetem propogandes se tyre . Bravo !

Do tju lutesha Moderatoreve qe per arsyet qe permenda me lart mundesisht ta fshinin kete teme .

[darwin]

Historianet Grek dhe Serb dhe sidomos ata Serb bejne nje propogande te fuqishme per sa i perket lidhjes tone me Albani-ne e Kaukazit . Sigurisht atyre nuk ju shkon pershtat teza e vazhdimesise Iliro -Shqiptare qe ka edhe vlere politike dhe kjo propogande synon te godase pikerisht kete Teze . Asnje historian ne Bote pervec (serbeve dhe Grekve ) nuk e ve ne diskutim mundesine se Shqiptaret mund te kene ardhur nga Kaukazi .Duke haput kete teme i keni bere jehone vetem propogandes se tyre . Bravo !

Do tju lutesha Moderatoreve qe per arsyet qe permenda me lart mundesisht ta fshinin kete teme .

ekzakt ajo qe i bie shkurt dhe nuk vazhdojne me keto budallalleqe ...
fatkeqsisht nuk kam mundesine te te jap me shume se nje pike "te pema", po ta nisa !!


ALBANOI fisi i vogel ilir, qe jetonte rreth zones se Krujes.. (mbase Skenderbeu ka rrjedhur nga ata vete ..) Nuk besoj se e kane cuar emrin ne Argjentine.. e lane ketu !!!

Keshtu qe lerini keto pyetje qe e has ne dialektin influencisht te sllaveve..

[darwin]

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Ne shqiptareve neper bote na eshte mbushur syri duke pare emertime "rruga Albania" hoteli" Albania" autostrata "Albania" vendi "Albania" etj..por qe nuk kane asnje lidhje me Shqiperine.
Vetem te huaj na quajne albanian nga Albania ndersa ne jemi shqiptare te Shqiperise....

Pse lodhesh aq shume ??!! ke degjuar ndonjehere qe te tjeret gjermaneve ti thone Deutsch (Dojc) ?? Ka allemand, germans.. Nemski, bile hollandezet nganjehere nga meria i thone Moffe.. ose finlandezet te kene ndonje pulle qe te mos kete fjalen SUOMI ?? ose Hungaria te quhet Hungari nga hungarezet?? nje dreq mund ta dije se si mund ta quajne basket (in Spain !) njeri - tjetrin, por dicka qe eshte nga ana tjeter e fjales bask, kjo me siguri..

Mjaft, se nuk ja vlen per keto tema..
Nuk e di kush e ka bere pyetjen, po sigurisht ka lexuar vetem ate material dhe ...

[D@mian]

Teoria e Albaneve te Kaukazit eshte e mire per te shtyre nje dore muhabet ne ndonje kafene serbe, por asnje historian apo gjuhetar ne bote nuk e merr seriozisht. Vetem perpjekja per te krahasuar nje gjuhe indoeuropiane (Shqipja) me gjuhe jo-indoeuropiane (gjuhet e Kaukazit si Urdu, etj) eshte nje idiotesi e plote!!! Lere te tjerat!

Tema eshte hapur per te perqendruar kunderargumente, jo per te provokuar! Forumet nderkombetare ne Internet jane te mbushura me polemika te tilla serbo-shqiptare, ku jane sjelle mjaft materiale qe hedhin poshte kete "teori" (ne fakt as teori nuk mund te quhet). Do pres derisa te sillen kunderargumentet kryesore ketu (dhe ne kete menyre te futen ne arkivin e forumit) dhe pastaj do ta mbyll temen. Nqs askush nuk sjell gje, do t'i sjell vete kur te kem pak kohe.

[Kreksi]

Kjo propagand nuk eshte perkrahur as nga historianet serbe perpos armikut numer nje te shqiptarve, Vuk Drashkoviçit i cili iu pate kundrvene Kadares ne nje shkrim ne "Le Monde" apo ne "Figaro" (s'me kujtohet )ne vitin 1989 ku shkrimtari yne i madh e sqaron se ne ballkanë ka vetem shqiptaret, grekët dhe rumunët qe njihen si popull i vjeter dhe autoktone qe nga antikiteti...
Menjehere iu eshte bere nje kundershkrim nga vete Drashkoviçi, i cili del me kete propagande gjoja se shqiptarët kan origjinen nga Albania e Strabonit atje ne Kaukaz !

Te rikujtojmi edhe nje gjë se edhe ne librin e Enver Hoxhes "Takimi me Stalinin" ne dy faqe Enveri spjegon mjaftë qartë se sa ishte interesuar edhe vete Stalini per Albaninë e ballkanit duke menduar se ky popull ka te perbashkët me Albanet e Kaukazit, fqinjët e Gjeorgjisë se Stalinit prandaje me çdo kushtë Stalini tenton qe te gjeje pika te perbashketa ne mes tyre ngase edhe vete Stalini e njihte gjuhen azeri te Azerbajgjanit qe dikur para krishti quhej Albani !

Stalini deerisa ishte ulur prane Enverit pasi kishin perfunduar drekimin, ai e merr nje portokall dhe e pyet Enverin; - Si i thoni kesajë ?
Enveri i pergjigjet - Portokallë !
Po kesaje e andej kendej e shef Stalini qe nuk ka asnje lidhje gjuhesore me Azerit(Albanet) e Kaukazit dhe tenton te shkoje edhe me tej...
Stalini shtyp nje buton dhe ne salle hyn nje gjeneral te cilit i thote qe menjehere te kontaktoje nje historian te shquar te Universitetit te Mokvës dhe te pyes se a ka lidhje diçka Albania e ballkanit me ate te Kaukazit ?

Pas nje kohe ne sallon hyn po i njejti gjeneral me pergjigjejen se profesori i shquar thote se " nuk ka kurrfare lidhje as gjuhesore as lidhje etnike me ate Albanin e Kaukazit, por perkundrazi ketu ne Odesa, thot profesori, kemi disa fshatra me origjine nga Albania e ballkanit qe jane ardhur aty para 150 vitesh"

Stalini i entujazmuar i thot Enverit; "pra ne do bejmi shkembime me keta banore qe te mesojm gjuhen tuje ne universitetin tone....

Kaqe kemi te dhena ne lidhje me kete polemike dhe me s'ka asgje tjeter perpos qe ka ngelur si pike hakmarrje e drashkoviçit ndaje Kadares perse ai e thote nje gje te tille qe serbet jane te ardhur etj, pra nje lloje revanshizmi mirepo pa baza fare...

Per mua kjo tem mbyllet dhe s'ka as çka te shtohet se te gjitha jan thene deri me tani.

shendet

[alibaba]

Domian përse po kërkon kundër-argumente derisa argumentet nuk ekzistojnë?
-- Nuk ka asnjë dokument që bën fjalë për ndonjë shpërngulje të albanëve nga Kaukazi.
-- Ata nuk quhen albanë por AGHBANI,
-- Në Kaukaz është edhe krahina Iberia, por kjo nuk ka lidhje me Iberët që jetonin në Spanjë në kohën antike
-- Mjaftojnë ato 3 kundër-argumente më lart

[Darius]

O Zot sa te trashe.

POpull:Azerbajxhani deri para 100 vitesh quhej ALBANI.
Une jam e bindur q ete gjithe ballkanasit vine nga Kaukazi po ju ngaterroheni me emrin!

Pash zotin nga e krijove kete bindje o akademikja e forumit? Apo e zbulove duke pire kapucino ne ato vrimat e Romes ku je futur?
Kjo eshte fatkeqesia e disa njerezve qe edhe jane rrypa nga njohuria ne histori dhe kane guximin te bejne dhe komente te ketij lloj. Ruajna zot nga njerezit tane se nga armiqte ruhemi vete

[Dorian88]

There is a theory of Albanians as descendants of Atlant, the lost continent. One of the oldest Illyrian tribes though was called Taulant (thau land) = dry land and in Asia there was another Illyrian settlement which now is called Thailand. There are three places called Albany 1. A city near London [Albany; it was said that there the first Christian roman soldier was killed] 2.Central Albania Alb banoi - there lived Alb or the Alp mountainous people, people that lived in the (h)ill there is no coincidence that the greatest Albanian colony in Asia near China and Turkmenistan is located in very high ground along the longest river called Il 3. A country in Caucasus region near Caspian Sea. Why did Alexander the Great rush to India? Africa was certainly richer in gold and specially in diamonds and it would be much easier to conquer the black nation rather than the populated and well fortified India. Why should he go through so many perils, pass difficult paths through treacherous mountains when he had the great fleet in the Mediterranean when a shortcut to the south would have provided him with the greatest treasures in the world? The explanation is that he followed the path of previous Aryans. If there wasn't any previous expedition towards India he would have never dared to go to a dangerous land. Outnumbered several fold by the indigenous population he lbanoi = marched as if he was sightseeing rather than conquering India. Even by modern means of communication it would have been difficult to travel nowadays so fast through three continents. The truth is that he [/COLOR]stopped over in those places where there were old Aryan settlements. The same as today we use gas stations in USA & Europe to tank our car with petrol on a trip to the country side. His losses were so minimal because most of those who died, expired under the harsh weather conditions. Alexander too would die from a contagious disease. Illyrian phalanges seemed more like boy scouts than warri[/COLOR][/COLOR]ors in India. The argument that India didn't know the horse and iron that he brought is nonsense. From recent archaeological data it comes out that India traded gold for iron and other heavy metals with Phoenicians who travelled to African shores before 10,000 years ago, almost 9,500 years before Alexander invaded India. We must remember there is no other language in the world that uses -ar as a suffix at the end of the word regularly as Albanian does for creating a noun from another noun. In other languages you create a noun from an adjective or a verb. There is no other language that uses ar for creating the most important word of all. GOLD. Aryans were called like this because of their fair golden hair. Their skin also sparked like the precious metal. In Albanian language there is another basic word ar which means ploughed land. It is also used by Albanians that founded Troy in Asia Minor. There it used to call Ares. In Europe Albanians used it to call the god of heaven Ouranos which is the distorted Greek word for Aryanus. From this word comes the word ari that Illyrians as good observers of the sky (for that matter they were called Illyrians) used to name the constellation of seven stars near which glitters the North Pole. is In Arabic Aryan is pronounced with a strong rr. Why? Because it is not an Arabic word. How could Aryans be Iranian tribes as historians insist when they were called the white invaders of India? The white man is the heir of the Alpine hominoid found in Neanderthal [ne ander dal = ridiculously enough this German name can be translated I come from the dream in Albanian language]. Most of historians were of Greek origin. For them history starts 3000 years ago when they can trace the first sings of Greek civilisation. They forget that humans were not created in one single day. It was a long process of evolution. It took millions of years for the white man to have the same aspect as it is today. It is very strange that Albanian name is preserved in very cold and high grounds. One might suspect that if the Albanians or Aryans are the direct descendants of the ruined continent, they must be afraid of the low lands. Albanian never retreated to the mountains from the countless enemies. The truth is the greatest resistance has been organised in Epirus against Rome. Epirus is not a mountainous area. The greatest spread of Dalmatians took place along the shores of Adriatic. Etruscans too settled in the most fertile land of Italy. It seems that primitive Albanians were found of the mountains in the beginning of their settlements in Illyrian peaks. In Montenegro and Crete there are the only Illyrian look-alike race with curly blond hair and rose coloured face. Although they spread also in warm countries. This is the reason that in Africa there was a nation called Elyria. My guess is that this group of ancient Albanians created the half white race of Arabs. But the bulk of white people moved towards highest peaks of Euro-Asia. The greatest puzzle of all is the history of Denmark. This country was called Jutland. I found this place quite accidentally as I was looking for other places in Europe that had similar toponymy as that one used in Albanian saga Epos I Kreshnikeve. I found out that in India the word Krishna was the name of a god. In Albania Kreshte comes from the composite krye eshte which means the head of the tribe or the peak of a mountain. While we in the bible call Christos Krisht, in Albania heroes are called Kreshnike. Well there are two words in the bible with Aryan origin that nobody until now has ever explained. They are called Urimm and Thummim. They were two stones that Moses inserted in his ephod. They were used like dice on the ground to talk with the El god. (Yll = El in Arabia and Africa) these two stones are the greatest mystery of the bible. No other language has helped the researchers of the Bible to solve it. Why? Because no serious historian has ever studied Albanian language which is the only language in the world to have a separate group of clauses called Deshirore or Mallkimore. It is similar to the imperative because it is used at the beginning only in the second person. Nowadays you can also use for literal effects in the first, second and third person singular and plural. Well urim is Deshirore and it comes from the word Ouranus. Only in Albanian language you address somebody with O wich is called thirror. To this day the priest is called urate. The blessing that he pronounces and also any kind of blessing, evenb that spelled by your father is called urate. The second word is Thummim which means Mallkim - curse. So coming back to the story of Albanian heroes that were called Christos or kreshnike, I found that many geographic names used in the epos were also places in Scandinavian countries. In Finnland there was the region of Lapp when we know that all south Albanians are called Lap (lab). Llap=tongue & talk too much. I was shocked when I found around 300 basic Albanian words in Finnish vocabulary. Lap in Finnish is derogative and insulting word. Probably the new comers from Asia despised the primitive old Albanian race. The greatest surprise was Denmark which was once called Ylland (Yl + land) = yll - star & land (lende-material, specially wooden matter) and also name of the tribe Tau-land. No wonder that Alexander the Great used the same Viking helmet with the horns of a bull. Well, in the south of Ylland lived the tribes of Angles or Engjells who invaded England. That is why the infinitive of English is so close with the clauses that Albanian language considers lidhore. That is the reason that the verb to be changed into are in Plural. The very word engjel - angel reminds us that the ancient people believed that eagles were the company of gods. Zeus, an Illyrian god had an eagle as his guard. Very often Zeus was transformed into an eagle. In the bible the ark of Moses was surrounded by the flying creatures. Amphisbena the strange creature found in BESTIARY THE SECOND FAMOUS BOOK AFTER THE BIBLE (in Greek Amphi means double) was an eagle with the body of a snake and if we look carefully the Albanian eagle has the tongue of a snake and the old symbol had a very prolonged body). It was born In Helio-polis in Egypt where the sun god El or Yl in Illyrian was worshipped.

[Hyllien]

Jane bere gjithsesi disa shkrime interesante(me mire figura do thoja se shkrimet jane shkrime leshi) ne kete teme. Ne nje figure jepet nje shkrim Alban por qe eshte "kaukazian" i gjetur ne Sinai. Mendoj se shtesa kaukazian i eshte vene ngaqe ata "albanet" e atjeshem shkruajne me shkronja qe sot quhen gabimisht sllave.

Mbase dikush qe merr vesh(jo trapat e papergjegjshem te shumte qe kan shkrujt para 2004 ne ket teme) mund te me thote dicka rreth alfabetit Glagolitik. Ne nje shkrimt e Glaukusit, jepet ky fragmenti i gjetur ne Sinai, i quajtur Alban, po i rrasur ne Kaukaz. Mendoj se kjo nuk eshte bere pa qellim, dhe ky emertim ka nje histori krijimi per te shmangur nje gjeneze te mundshme Ilire te alfabetit Sllav, i cili sot e kesaj dite nuk dihet mire(si cdo gje) se nga e nxorri koken. Angely permend nje origjine Ilire te ketij alfabeti, nderkohe qe versioni qe dihet sot ne nje heshtje te cuditshme eshte se ky alfabet eshte nje modifikim i alfabetit Grek, ndersa ai Cirilik na del nje version i mevonshem. Mendoj se ka nje pisllik qe kryhet duke i mveshur Cirilikut nje lloj "misteri", dhe duke e bere glagolotikun si nje modifikim "grek", nderkohe qe shkronjat qartesisht kane nje lloj origjinaliteti qe duhet ti jepet nje fare justifikimi i forte qe te behet e besueshme teza e nje origjine imediate greke.

Kur te kem kohe do hedh disa fragmente shume te lashta glagolitisht.(kjo dhe si fjale ngja shqipe, gla-glu-gluhe-gjuhe). Ne fakt vete emri vjen nga fjala GLAGOL qe do te thote FJALE.



Darius, kjo teme po te pastrohet pak nga shkrimet e kota dhe replikat e kota, dhe po te ndryshohet titulli mund te marri nje drejtim me te pershtashem per zgjerimin e njohurive ne ate qe shkruajta me siper sepse keshtu ngjan si teme cirku e hapur dhe diskutuar nga kllouna.





Kjo eshte ajo qe thuhet ne "rrethet Akademike" per alfabetin Glagolitik:

Glagolitic alphabet
Origin

The Glagolitic alphabet was invented during the 9th century by the missionaries St Cyril (827-869 AD) and St Methodius (826-885 AD) in order to translate the bible and other religious works into the language of the Great Moravia region. They probably modelled Glagolitic on a cursive form of the Greek alphabet, and based their translations on a Slavic dialect of the Thessalonika area, which formed the basis of the literary standard known as Old Church Slavonic.

Old Church Slavonic was used as the liturgical language of the Russian Orthodox church between the 9th and 12th centuries. A more modern form of the language, known as Church Slavonic, appeared during the 14th century and is still used in the Russian Orthodox church.

[Kreksi]

Kjo propagand nuk eshte perkrahur as nga historianet serbe perpos armikut numer nje te shqiptarve, Vuk Drashkoviçit i cili iu pate kundrvene Kadares ne nje shkrim ne "Le Monde" apo ne "Figaro" (s'me kujtohet )ne vitin 1989 ku shkrimtari yne i madh e sqaron se ne ballkanë ka vetem shqiptaret, grekët dhe rumunët qe njihen si popull i vjeter dhe autoktone qe nga antikiteti...
Menjehere iu eshte bere nje kundershkrim nga vete Drashkoviçi, i cili del me kete propagande gjoja se shqiptarët kan origjinen nga Albania e Strabonit atje ne Kaukaz !

Te rikujtojmi edhe nje gjë se edhe ne librin e Enver Hoxhes "Takimi me Stalinin" ne dy faqe Enveri spjegon mjaftë qartë se sa ishte interesuar edhe vete Stalini per Albaninë e ballkanit duke menduar se ky popull ka te perbashkët me Albanet e Kaukazit, fqinjët e Gjeorgjisë se Stalinit prandaje me çdo kushtë Stalini tenton qe te gjeje pika te perbashketa ne mes tyre ngase edhe vete Stalini e njihte gjuhen azeri te Azerbajgjanit qe dikur para krishti quhej Albani !

Stalini deerisa ishte ulur prane Enverit pasi kishin perfunduar drekimin, ai e merr nje portokall dhe e pyet Enverin; - Si i thoni kesajë ?
Enveri i pergjigjet - Portokallë !
Po kesaje e andej kendej e shef Stalini qe nuk ka asnje lidhje gjuhesore me Azerit(Albanet) e Kaukazit dhe tenton te shkoje edhe me tej...
Stalini shtyp nje buton dhe ne salle hyn nje gjeneral te cilit i thote qe menjehere te kontaktoje nje historian te shquar te Universitetit te Mokvës dhe te pyes se a ka lidhje diçka Albania e ballkanit me ate te Kaukazit ?

Pas nje kohe ne sallon hyn po i njejti gjeneral me pergjigjejen se profesori i shquar thote se " nuk ka kurrfare lidhje as gjuhesore as lidhje etnike me ate Albanin e Kaukazit, por perkundrazi ketu ne Odesa, thot profesori, kemi disa fshatra me origjine nga Albania e ballkanit qe jane ardhur aty para 150 vitesh"

Stalini i entujazmuar i thot Enverit; "pra ne do bejmi shkembime me keta banore qe te mesojm gjuhen tuje ne universitetin tone....

Kaqe kemi te dhena ne lidhje me kete polemike dhe me s'ka asgje tjeter perpos qe ka ngelur si pike hakmarrje e drashkoviçit ndaje Kadares perse ai e thote nje gje te tille qe serbet jane te ardhur etj, pra nje lloje revanshizmi mirepo pa baza fare...

Per mua kjo tem mbyllet dhe s'ka as çka te shtohet se te gjitha jan thene deri me tani.

shendet

Nga perseritja nuk ka dobi, kete e dijmi por nganjehee edhe duhet t'iu rikujtojmi atyre qe nuk e dijne se;