Troja, ne luginen e Neretves ?

[Kreksi]

Po mire o i nderuari Darius,
me thuaj se si i spjegon ti keto mure gjigante ne hercegovinë, si ato prekolombiane, pastaj edhe ato te Medun-it afer Ulqinit, qe ne kohen ilire quhej Meteon, kryeqytet i Labeateve ?
Ky qytet ne ato kohera kishte 10 000 banor, kishte ujesjellesin e kanalizimin, asgje nuk i mungonte !

Pra keto mure kan me shume se 3 000 vite se paku e i perkasin civilizimit pellazg me siguri ku edhe iliret u zhvilluan pasi qe keta mire e laveruan kete truall per mija vite me pare.

[Darius]

Muret gjigande ne hercegovine skane te bejne me muret prekolombiane. Nuk mohoj aspak vjetersine e tyre por termi prekolombian nuk duhet ngaterruar me Europen

[Kreksi]

Mire pra, si spjegohen atehere keta guret rrubullakë (sferikë) qe gjinden ne Kosta rika(prekolombian me guret e gjetur ne bosnje ?

[Darius]

Ndertimet me gure sferike skane asnje gjeografi te caktuar dhe as nuk perbejne mister. Kam parasysh qe eshte nje teknike ndertimi e njohur pasi ka qene me e lehte te spostoheshin si gure. Termi prekolumbian perdoret vetem per Ameriken (jug dhe veri) per ta ndare nga koha kur u 'zbulua' nga Kolombi. Prandaj te thashe qe nuk perdoret si krahasim.

[Kreksi]

Ndertimet me gure sferike skane asnje gjeografi te caktuar dhe as nuk perbejne mister. Kam parasysh qe eshte nje teknike ndertimi e njohur pasi ka qene me e lehte te spostoheshin si gure. Termi prekolumbian perdoret vetem per Ameriken (jug dhe veri) per ta ndare nga koha kur u 'zbulua' nga Kolombi. Prandaj te thashe qe nuk perdoret si krahasim.

In the 1911 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica we find the following --

Herodotus and other Greek historians portrayed the Illyrians as a semi-savage people; they viewed them as the most savage tribes of Thrace. Both peoples they described as practitioners of the art of tattooing. They painted their bodies and sacrificed human victims to their gods. The women of Illyria occupied as exalted position in tribal society and even exercised political authority. The queens are referred to as despots or royal personages. -- Vol. XIV, p. 326. Article "Illyria."

These are very important points to remember. The people of Illyria practiced the very same customs we find among the Picts and the Indian tribes of America! These peoples were completely different from those of other European peoples including the Celts.

[Longarus]

Ju pershendes te gjitheve
Kam vetem nje pyetje :
A keni degjuar per teorine e Cedomir RKMAN per Trojen, si dhe per " Apollo Project"?
FLM

1.Shliman - Troja ne Azi te Vogel
2.Prajs - Troja ne rrafshnalten e Neretves
3.Rkman - Troja ne Shqiperi ( Shkoder)

[Kreksi]

1.Shliman - Troja ne Azi te Vogel
2.Prajs - Troja ne rrafshnalten e Neretves
3.Rkman - Troja ne Shqiperi ( Shkoder)

Posi nuk kemi degjuar, i ke ketu te gjitha ne forum, shko "troja ne shqiperi" qe ka kohe se kemi hapur...

http://www.forumishqiptar.com/showthread.php?t=49465

[Kreksi]

Arkeologu meksikanë Price vazhdone te mbroje tezen e tije se Troja e vertete eshte ne detin Adriatikë.
http://www.homer.com.mx/Time_Line/Trojan_War.html
E vetmja gje qe me bind ne kete rrefim eshte se edhe ne "iliad"
vertete behet fjale gjithnje per Skamandren si lum te rrembyeshem poashtu edhe per Trojen te ndertuar ne nje shpate e jo ne nje rrafshire siç na propozon versioni Shliman.
pra ketu ka diçka qe ngjane shume pershkrimeve homerike me gjeografine.

[Kreksi]

Nxjerrur nga Homerica http://w3.u-grenoble3.fr/homerica/he...e/legende.html

PREFACE OF A BOOK THAT WAS NEVER PUBLISHED:

Troy, at the time of the Trojan War, near 1,200 BC., occupied the length of Yugoslavia’s Adriatic coast and off-shore islands, between Sibenik Bay in the north and Boka Kotorska in the south, and extended inland, along the valley of the Neretva river, perhaps as far as Sarajevo (what today are roughly —if you will— the republics of Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina).

The visitor of Troy cannot fail noticing two striking aspects of this region’s natural geographical accidents. On the one hand, is the patently maritime nature of life along its intricately indented coastline, peppered with islands here and there, and, on the other, the eminently agrarian nature of life along beautiful and fertile valleys between the ridges of stark and arid mountains.

Troy’s privileged geographical situation, and the combination of these two ways of life—maritime and agrarian—lent Troy enormous geopolitical strength, for, not only did it draw ample sustenance from the bountiful valley of the Neretva, it also possessed control of the Adriatic sea-lanes with access into and out of Europe, as well as trade-routes into the Danubian basin and the Aegean Sea.

Troy—understood in a political sense as a federation of tribes—evolved, it would seem, during the Bronze Age from periodic foreign influxes into the region which gradually mingled with autochthonous cultures. So it was that the Troes—a collective term for a number of tribes—coexisted with a number of other tribes—apparently, of local stock—which, by the Fall of Troy and beginning of the Iron Age, became collectively known as Illyrians. How the intricate relationship between Troes and Illyroi came about is difficult to explain, yet, that these two ethnic groups were intimately associated may be seen in the name of Dardanus, founder not only of the royal house of Troy, but also the eponymous ancestor of the Dardani, an Illyrian folk, and in that of Kadmos, who was not only father of the Kadmeioi, a Trojan folk occupying the environs of Thebe, but also the father of Illyrus, eponymous ancestor of the Illyrians.

The catalogue of Trojan Forces [Abroad]—a listing of the various contingents that defended Troy from the Danaan onslaught (II, 816 – 877)—shows that Troy held an intimate dialogue with diverse peoples along the Italian Peninsula. Though Troy had no definitive borders, one could say that these communities abroad represented a physical extension of Troy, thus the story of Paris visiting Sparta and eloping with Helen seethes with intrigue, since Sparta was a district in the environs of the Laguna Veneta, in the very heart-land of territory held of old by the Paphlagones … furthermore, Helen was an Argive, and Argos was Pelasgian, albeit now held by Hellenes and Myrmidones, likewise in the very heart-land of territory held by the Akhaioi.

What were Pelasgians—Indo-European new-comers into the Mediterranean Basin—doing in Akhaian territory? The answer must be that they were holding on to sources of iron-ore on the western coasts of Italy, and Sardinia. One cannot doubt—only Herodotus could— that the Paris-Helen affaire was a legitimate casus belli, for, underscoring this incident is that of overt aggression by Akaioi on Pelasgoi in retaliation of Pelasgoi interference in Akhain territories...

There is still one element wanting to coalesce the story of the Trojan War:
nxjerrur;http://www.homero.com.mx/Geografia_h..._homerica.html



Mexico City
Autumn, 1992 R. S. P.

[Longarus]

http://www.homer.com.mx/index.html