Video : Leka i Madh shqiptar ?

[Baptist]

Jo nuk e kam gjithaq te qarte se per cilen Idë e ke fjalen. Per te vjetren apo pertritjen e saj ne kontinentin e ri-zbuluar, ate trojan? Por une po flisja konkretisht per s/h-ellët e Dodones.

Pellasget te Dodones Dimerkeqe perkthehen gabimisht me atributin "Pellasget Hyjnor", ajo duhet perkthyer "Pellasget e Pershpirtshem"; Te devotshmit, ne kuptimin te perkushtuarit (e kultit) .

Shtese:
Por si popull shume luftrak keta ia dhuruan terminologjise edhe nje emer tjeter me fame: Zellote. Emer ky qe ne hebraishte reflekton me nje kuptim te ri ekuivalent me shprehjen e sotme: Fanatik, qe eshte nje derivat besnik i asaj qe nenkuptonte te qenit Sellë. Kjo sjell nje mbeshtetje te fuqishme ne sugjerimin tim se vargu i Homerit ne fjale ishte perkthyer gabimisht. Se Homeri nuk po thoshte per pellasget se ishin "hyjnor" por te te "pershpirtshem", te devotshem ndaj hyjnise, prej ku njesite e tyre elitiste ushtarake Zelote kishin perfituar edhe kuptimin e "fanatikeve fetar". Kesisoji, ndoshta edhe pse nuk kishin kurrfarë lidhje gjinore me judaizmin, ata e perdoren kete emer si shembelltyre per njesite e veta zelote te ngjashme me Templlaret. Kendejpari rrjedh edhe shprehja e sotme "zheloz" apo "gjeloz". Derivatet e ketij termi kane dhuruar, neper gjuhet e botes, nje mori kuptimesh te reja ster-derivative. Zelli ne gjuhen shqipe eshte poashtu derivat i larget i kesaj fjale ekuivalente me shprehjen "zeal" ambicje [religjioze]. Zelotet ne fakt ishin ushtri e Krishtit te shume pritur prej tyre por ata u tradhetuan reciprokisht, sepse ky ia ktheu shpinen levizjes radikale per clirim kurse ata ate e dorezuan te autoritetet romake si pretendent te Fronit. Pavaresisht se te dy palet luftonin per te njejten kauze. Ata nuk u pajtuan e pacifizmin e Krishtit dhe eliminuan me ndihmen e armikut te perbashket!

The Talmud
In the Talmud, the Zealots are also called the baryonim meaning "boorish" or "wild", and are condemned for their aggression, unwillingness to compromise to save the living survivors of Jerusalem besieged by the Romans, and blind-militarism and are blamed for having contributed to the demise of Jerusalem, the second Jewish Temple and of ensuring Rome's retributions and stranglehold on Judea.

Paralelet shqiptaro-judeje megjithate nuk mund te jene vetem dukje gjasuese. i kemi atje edhe Sikaret, ne kemi patur Sikulet. Apo me saktesisht shqip Ethikët, Ikanet apo Sikanet qe poashtu jane ekzod Trojanesh.

Sicarii
One particularly extreme group of Zealots was also known in Latin as sicarii, "daggermen" (sing. sicarius, possibly a morphological reanalysis), because of their policy of assassinating Jews opposed to their call for war against Rome. Probably many Zealots were sicarri simultaneously, and they may be the baryonim of the Talmud that were feared even by the Jewish sages of the Mishnah, such as Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakai who feared assassination for suggesting a truce with the Roman forces besieging ancient Jerusalem, and had to feign death in a casket to escape being stabbed.

Kaq per jehonen e Selleve ne kulturen dhe historine boterore.

Sa per AqilHausin, them per ata qe njohin sadopak intrigat dhe manipulimet qe u bene ne menyre qe Filipi (te cilit nuk i takonte) te behej mbret dhe te martoje Opimpine. Ju perkujtoj se:
Ajo ishte aq e menqur por edhe aq ambicioze sa qe arriti te gelltiste nje kompromis teknik te marteses se padenje me Filipin me kusht qe pasardhesi i saj te ishte nga gjaku mbreteror i kultivuar nga rendi i motrave te shenjta (edhe pse ilegjitim nga aspekti i pushtetit laik).

Keshtu Aleksandri i kishte dyert e hapura ne gjithe boten, ku shekuj me pare kishte shtrire pushtetin shpirteror elita fetare pellasge. Andaj kur arriti ne Tempullin e Amonit te Libise prifterinjte atij iu adresuan ne gjuhen Amtare, por jo sic eshte keqkuptuar sot duke u mbeshtetur ne paragjykimin e gabuar se Aleksandri ne shtepi fliste helenisht.

[lushnjar]

Po leka i madh ka qen malok nga veriu dhe tradhtari numer 1 shqiptar. Po mos te kishte ikur leka kushedi ku do kishte perfunduar shqipria, me siguri do ishte ndar. Leka kishte nisur procesin e shitjeve te tokave shqiptare te serbi bullgari greku etc. kur e hoqen me dhun

[Baptist]

Hahahahahhpahh
cfare perle :@p

[alibaba]

Po leka i madh ka qen malok nga veriu dhe tradhtari numer 1 shqiptar. Po mos te kishte ikur leka kushedi ku do kishte perfunduar shqipria, me siguri do ishte ndar. Leka kishte nisur procesin e shitjeve te tokave shqiptare te serbi bullgari greku etc. kur e hoqen me dhun

Hahahahaha çfarë seni interesant me pa në andërr haha

[Zëu_s]

Po leka i madh ka qen malok nga veriu dhe tradhtari numer 1 shqiptar. Po mos te kishte ikur leka kushedi ku do kishte perfunduar shqipria, me siguri do ishte ndar. Leka kishte nisur procesin e shitjeve te tokave shqiptare te serbi bullgari greku etc. kur e hoqen me dhun

Hahahahahhpahh
cfare perle :@p

Hahahahaha çfarë seni interesant me pa në andërr haha

sen i trishtueshem thivi, ethet n'bark ti shtin me ba e me pa n'anderr, s'mun flen ma kur t'kujtohet (t'lshon shpirti gjith naten tu kesh)

[Baptist]

Jo nuk e kam gjithaq te qarte se per cilen Idë e ke fjalen. Per te vjetren apo pertritjen e saj ne kontinentin e ri-zbuluar, ate trojan? Por une po flisja konkretisht per s/h-ellët e Dodones.

Keshtu Aleksandri i kishte dyert e hapura ne gjithe boten, ku shekuj me pare kishte shtrire pushtetin shpirteror elita fetare pellasge. Andaj kur arriti ne Tempullin e Amonit te Libise prifterinjte atij iu adresuan ne gjuhen Amtare, por jo sic eshte keqkuptuar sot duke u mbeshtetur ne paragjykimin e gabuar se Aleksandri ne shtepi fliste helenisht.

E kisha fjalen per S/Hellet qe jetonin ne kembe te malit Ida, ku kishte faltoren Zeusi, dhe ne rrafshnalten e po te njejtit mal qe ndertua Troja duke bere mekatin e madh te arrogances qe te banonin aty ku Zotat kishin folene. S/Hellet qene Dardane te cilet jetonin perqark Trojes/Ides. Per kete arsye nuk u perfshine nga mallkimi shfaroses qe zuri famikjen e Trosit/Priamit. Njelloj si edhe Enea.

PS. Nga qe e verteta eshte kaq e pabesushme, shpeshhere i shpeton veshtrimit.

Tjeter. A te vjen rende te quotosh citimin qe thote se Aleksandrit ju fol ne gjuhen e tij ne Libi, ne tempullin e amonit? Kam interes ta shikoj si eshte formuluar. (Falemderit ne se mundesh).

[Darius]

Une mund te quotoj kete:

The Oracle of Amon is today mainly remembered for being visited by Alexander the Great in 331 BCE, when he was seeking confirmation that he was the son of Zeus (whom the Greeks associated with the Egyptian Amon). Nobody knows what the oracle told Alexander, the answer was whispered into his ear. But it probably was confirmative; Alexander expressed ever since a wish to be buried at Siwa, and he embarked upon great conquests in the east, conquests that only a son of a god would dare to embark upon.
The oracle of Siwa was one of the 6 most influential in the known world of those days. It probably came into use some time in the 6th century, as an expansion of the up to 200 year older temple dedicated to Amon-Re.


Tani sipas Strabonit na jepet ky version:

"The oracular responses were not, as at Delphi and among the Branchidae, given in words, but mostly by nods and tokens, as in Homer, `Cronion spoke and nodded assent with his dark brows,' the prophet having assumed the role of Zeus; however, the fellow expressly told the king that he, Alexander, was the son of Zeus."


Me poshte eshte fotoja e nje pllake me hieroglife qe tregon momentin kur Aleksandri ka vajtur ne tempullin e Amon-Re dhe prania e kryepriftit Menkheperre.

[Tannhauser]

when he was seeking confirmation that he was the son of Zeus

Kjo nuk eshte pikerisht keshtu. Kryeprifti foli ne nje greqishte qe 'calonte' dhe ne vend te thoshte παιδίον (djalosh) tha παιδίος qe ne greqishten e vjeter degjohet παι διος qe do te thote 'bir i zeusit'. Kjo sigurisht qe i pelqeu Aleksandrit. Plutarku e pershkruan bukur kete skene.

Alexander expressed ever since a wish to be buried at Siwa, and he embarked upon great conquests in the east, conquests that only a son of a god would dare to embark upon.

Eshte nje arkeologe greke, Ana Suvalxi qe ka bere germime ne oazin e Sives, ka shkruar edhe nje liber mbi kete, dhe ka kerkuar mbeshtetjen e ministrise se kultures ne Greqi pasi pretendon se atje gjendet varri i Aleksandrit. Akoma po e presim.

[Baptist]

Kjo nuk eshte pikerisht keshtu. Kryeprifti foli ne nje greqishte qe 'calonte' dhe ne vend te thoshte παιδίον (djalosh) tha παιδίος qe ne greqishten e vjeter degjohet παι διος qe do te thote 'bir i zeusit'. Kjo sigurisht qe i pelqeu Aleksandrit. Plutarku e pershkruan bukur kete skene.

Nuk mund ta mohosh se Aleksandri nuk ishte djali i Amonit, ky eshte reinterpretim i rigabuar. E di fort mire kush ishte ati i tij i vertete dhe cfare perfaqsonte ai ne toke.

Dhe po te mos ishin bindur dhe te mos ia pranonin prifterinjte kete ofiqin qe trashegonte me te lindur, ai nuk do te pritjej dyerhapur ndersa egjiptin nuk do ta pushtonte as per 1000 vjete.

Kurse gjuha me te cilen i foli prifti eshte vetem konkluzion ad hoc, sepse ai nuk i foli greqisht por ne gjuhen prifterore te nenes se tij, ate variantin e vjeter (qe per kohen kur u fol sigurisht ishte pak arkaike), por ne ate qe kishte thene ai nuk ka kurrfare gabimi, -Aleksandri sic thash me siper, sipas rregullave religjioze ishte i biri legjitim i Amonit gje qe askush nga hierarkia prifterore nuk mund t'ia kundershtonte.

[Baptist]

Eshte nje arkeologe greke, Ana Suvalxi qe ka bere germime ne oazin e Sives, ka shkruar edhe nje liber mbi kete, dhe ka kerkuar mbeshtetjen e ministrise se kultures ne Greqi pasi pretendon se atje gjendet varri i Aleksandrit. Akoma po e presim.

Nuk do e thoja me siguri. Ministria e Kultures tende ja ka hequr vizen kesaj Lianes qe qemoti (1995 sipas te dhenave qe kam une). Rendesi ka qe ti vete je ne kale.


Date: Feb 1995 08:01:58 -0500 (EST)

New York Times/Monday (p. 8A)

"CAIRO, Feb. 5 - A high-level archaeological team from the Greek Government, investigating claims that the tomb of Alexander the Great had been discovered in Egypt's western desert, visited the site today and said that they saw no evidence that the tomb had been found.

But Liana Souvaltzi, the archaeologist who announced last week that she had found the tomb outside the oasis of Siwa, said on Saturday: "I have no reservations. This is Alexander's tomb. There is no doubt." She said the tomb was built in Macedonian style and that three tablets uncovered at the site provided the archaeological proof. One of the tablets, she said, was written by Alexander's lieutenant. Ptolemy I, and affirmed a legend that Alexander had been poisoned. Another, she said, was left by the Roman emperor Trajan, who she said had paid his respects at the site.

But the Greek team, headed by the General Secretary of the Ministry of Culture, George Thomas, said it was unclear if the structure she was excavating was even a tomb. He and members of the team said that the style of the complex was not, as Mrs. Souvaltzi said, Macedonian. And they said that the fragments of tablets they were shown did not support any of the translations she provided as proof of her discovery.

The team members also said that the fragment they saw were from the Roman period, some 300 years after the death of Alexander the Great. "We are not sure if the complex is a tomb or temple," said Dr. Yanni Tzedakis, the Director of Antiquities for the Greek Government, "although there are elements of the Hellenistic period in the rubble. It appears, however, to be from a later period."

Mrs. Souvaltzi has refused to allow the visiting team to read her report on the excavations. She has also refused to brief the team on her work. She gave no reason for her refusal to cooperate with the Greek officials. (C'behet keshtu Tani Hauseve, kjo nuk deshka te kooperoje me qeverine Greke? Pse ky mosbesim nga nje universitare Athinjote? Mos kane gabuar ne dhenien e diplomes?)

"The fact that the report on the excavations is not being shown to us is curious," Dr. Tzedakis said. "She should present photos and plans, along with details of the excavations to back up her claim. This is how it is done in Greece." Abdel-Halim Nureddin, chairman of the Egyptian Antiquities Organization, who said earlier in the week that he supported the claim by Mrs. Souvlatzi, now says he is less sure about the find.

"It is an important discovery," Mr. Noureddin said, "but we have to be a bit careful. We must wait for further study and a reconsideration of the text." Mrs. Souvaltzi, who has an archaeological degree from the University of Athens, has been excavating in the area around Siwa, 50 miles east of the Libyan border, for the past four years. The inscriptions on the tablets, broken into pieces, were translated by Mrs. Souvaltzi's husband, who has no formal archaeological training. He also provides the financing for her research.

Mrs. Souvaltzi, who says she has received mystical guidance in her research, in part from snakes, has claimed in the past that this structure was the tomb of Alexander. She wrote an article in an Egyptian magazine, published by Cairo University three years ago, saying that the same structure was the tomb of Alexander.

The report was dismissed at the time by senior archaeologists in Egypt and Greece. The Greek team said that the fragments of tablets they were shown did not appear to support Mr. Souvaltzi's translations. They also said that they did not see the eight-pointed Macedonian star Mrs. Souvaltzi says she found on what she describes as the tomb.

"These inscriptions have nothing to do with the period of Ptolemy I," Mr. Tzedakis said, "and they are very well dated. We did not see any of the words they say were inscribed on the tablets, not Alexander, not Ptolemy, not even the word poison."
Alexander, King of Macedonia, led his armies out of Greece in 334 B.C. at the age of 22 and conquered an empire that covered much of Asia and the Middle East. Ancient texts indicate that, after his death in Babylon in 323 B.C. on a military campaign, his body was moved to Syria and then to Egypt. But his final burial place remains a mystery. About 570 B.C., the Pharaoh Amasis built a temple in Siwa to the god Amun. The temple oracle was one of the most famous in antiquity and was famed for being able to answer difficult question.

Alexander went to Siwa in 332 B.C. to see the oracle. The oracle, according to legend, told Alexander he was divine and the son of Amun.”