Rusia i ndihmon dhe i kontrollon deri diku, por separatistet jane dhe koke me vete se nuk jane ushtri e organizuar qe marrin nje urdher dhe e zbatojne me perpikmeri e nuk kane as ndonje komande qendrore qe te percjelli urdhrat e Rusise. Nuk lejuan dhe me dite te tera te afrohej njeri te zona e avionit, as te beheshin hetime e as te vinin gazetare. Sic thashe, mua me duket veper e pro-ruseve, jo me qellim per te vrare civile, por asgje nuk dihet me siguri.Postuar më parë nga Darius
ITAR-TASS poston lajmin qe sipas kreut te departamentit te operacioneve kryesore ne ushtrine ruse Gjenerali Staff, ka te dhena te rregjistruara qe nje avion i forcave ajrore ukrainase zbriti ne distance 3-5 kilometra nga avioni malajzian.
Ukrainian Su-25 warplane detected heading toward Malaysian BoeingMOSCOW, July 21. /ITAR-TASS/. Russian air data records indicate that a Ukrainian Su-25 warplane might have been flying towards the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 passenger plane on the day when it crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17, Lieutenant-General Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Main Operations Department of the Russian Army General Staff, said at a news conference on Monday, July 21.
Po ashtu sipas te njetit burim ne momentin e aksidentit ka qene dhe nje satelit amerikan si pjese e nje aparature eksperimentale te dizajnuar nga amerikanet per te dedektuar leshimin e rraketave. Koha e aksidentit te Boeing dhe ajo e leshimit te satelitit mbi territorin e Ukraines nga Amerika, jane te njejta, u shreh ushtaraku i larte rus.
Pra deri tani jane shume here me me fakte e me te provueshme burimet ruse sesa ato amerikane e europiano perendimore.
Lajmet po ashtu thone se sistemet monitoruese ruse kane rregjistruar kater Buk M1 sisteme mbrojtese ajrore ukrainase ne ate zone ne diten e aksidentit. Pika ku avioni ndodhej ne momentin e aksidentit ishte ne sektorin qe mbulohej nga sistemi Buk.
Absence Of Evidence Does Not Correlate To Evidence Of Absence... © Deny Ignorance © Autochthonox
Gjurmet e Civilizimeve te zhdukura Dodona pjese e trashegimise se vjedhur Fshehje te Zbulimeve Arkeologjike Shtetet Ilire Antropologjia e Ballkanit
Mesjeta Shqiptare dhe periudha e pushtimit Osman Rilindja Kombetare Illuminati ! Kulti i syrit qe sheh cdo gje Lufta Dulces Mistere Histori e Letersise Shqiptare
Se harrova te citoja shkrimin e mesiperm ne origjinal:
Russian monitoring systems recorded up to 4 Ukrainian Buk M1 air defense systems in the crash area on the day of the accident. The point where the plane was at the time of the accident was within the Buk system’s coverage sector.
On the following day after the accident, the intensity of Ukrainian air defense system radar stations increased dramatically, the Defense Ministry said.
It denied Kiev’s assertions that there were no other flights in the crash area on the day of the accident and said that an aerial object had been flying over the crash site for four minutes to monitor the situation.
Also, the time of the Boeing crash coincides with the time when a US satellite was monitoring the territory of Ukraine. The Russian Defense Ministry said an American pilot craft intended for registering missile launches was flying across Ukraine at that time.
Absence Of Evidence Does Not Correlate To Evidence Of Absence... © Deny Ignorance © Autochthonox
Gjurmet e Civilizimeve te zhdukura Dodona pjese e trashegimise se vjedhur Fshehje te Zbulimeve Arkeologjike Shtetet Ilire Antropologjia e Ballkanit
Mesjeta Shqiptare dhe periudha e pushtimit Osman Rilindja Kombetare Illuminati ! Kulti i syrit qe sheh cdo gje Lufta Dulces Mistere Histori e Letersise Shqiptare
Telefonatat e pergjimit ,pengesa ne hetime ,moslejimi i afrimit te gazetareve ne vendengjarje ,zona ku ra kontrollohet nga proruset etj etj ,keto jane disa nga faktet qe kete aeroplan ta kene rrezuar ruset ndonese mund te jete bere gabimisht ,sidoqofte "shpresoj" te ju plotesohet deshira (e shqiptareve prorus e proarab ) ,te shkaterrohet USA e pastaj shohim si na del hesapi.
There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women.
Madeleine Albright
Keq me qene edhe i forte ,per krejt fatkeqesit ne bote ta hedhin fajin ,USA shkaterron aeroplane ,USA e ka fajin per klime,USA fajtore per vellavrasjet muslimane etj etj ..ka mbet vec te fajesohet edhe kur te na kap diarrea
There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women.
Madeleine Albright
Ne teme ska as pro ruse dhe as anti amerikan. Po hidhen thjesht faktet qe botohen nga shtypi dhe ne nje situate te tille, eshte vetem e drejte qe te paraqiten te dyja anet e medaljes.
Absence Of Evidence Does Not Correlate To Evidence Of Absence... © Deny Ignorance © Autochthonox
Gjurmet e Civilizimeve te zhdukura Dodona pjese e trashegimise se vjedhur Fshehje te Zbulimeve Arkeologjike Shtetet Ilire Antropologjia e Ballkanit
Mesjeta Shqiptare dhe periudha e pushtimit Osman Rilindja Kombetare Illuminati ! Kulti i syrit qe sheh cdo gje Lufta Dulces Mistere Histori e Letersise Shqiptare
ata po pengojne gazetaret , por nuk po pengojne ekspertet qe po merren me kete hetim.
e pe nje gazetar i CNN qe hapi nje valixhe nderkoh qe ishte duke dhen lajme ne direkt... me pas e morra vesh qe e kishin hequr , edhe ai vet kerkoi te falur por me vone e kuptoi qe beri gabim
Gutta cavat lapidem non vi, sed saepe cadendo
Ky artikull eshte marre nga Corriere della Sera, ku rebelet pro ruse marrin pergjegjesine e goditjes se avionit.
http://www.corriere.it/english/14_lu...a03d21e8.shtmlHow Malaysian Plane was Shot Down
Pro-Russian militiamen describe tragedy: “Superiors told us about plane carrying paratroopers from Kiev”
di Lorenzo Cremonesi in Ukraine
“We shot down a Kiev plane, our superiors told us. We thought we were looking for baled-out Ukrainian pilots but instead we found dead civilians”. The aftermath of the shooting down of the Malaysian Boeing from Amsterdam last Thursday, as told to the Corriere della Sera by a pro-Russian militiaman, is something of an eye-opener. Moscow claims there was a Ukrainian fighter in the area, Kiev denies this and Obama has called for investigations to go ahead without hindrance. Meanwhile, the remains of 282 of the 298 victims - 16 are unaccounted for - are in a refrigerated train waiting to set off for Holland.
“We thought we were going to fight but instead we found dead civilians”
“We thought we would have to fight baled out Ukrainian pilots but instead we found dead civilians. All those poor people with baggage that certainly wasn’t military”. We spoke to a militiaman from the Oplot (stronghold) combat unit at midday yesterday on the concrete platforms of Torez railway station. He was standing beside five rail wagons - four refrigerated and the fifth with the refrigeration unit’s diesel geneerators - containing the human remains collected among the sunflower fields in pro-Russian separatist-held Ukraine. His words are revealing because he spoke them quite naturally, without reflecting, after telling us about the international representatives’ recently completed inspection of the bodies and his unit’s orders to stand guard over the wagons. In its innocence and simplicity, the story is significant. In fact, it could provide new evidence for those who blame the pro-Russians for mistakenly launching the fatal missile under the impression that their target was a Ukrainian military aircraft.
“I was looking for a parachute and I found the body of a little girl”
“On Thursday afternoon, our commanders ordered us to get into the lorries with our weapons and plenty of ammunition. Perhaps ten minutes earlier, there had been a huge explosion in the sky. ‘We’ve just shot down one of the Kiev Fascists’ planes’, they told us, warning us to take care because at least some of the crew had reportedly baled out. White objects had been seen floating in the clouds. We might have had to fight to round them up”, the soldier explained. He had orders not to reveal his name or rank and neither would his Oplot companions. About ten militiamen were on the platform while the others stood guard on the track or on the edge of the village. My soldier told me he was thirty-one, lived in Torez and worked locally as a miner. He was happy to be photographed with the fresh seals on three of the wagons applied by the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE). Two hundred and eighty-two bodies had been collected and the fourth wagon remained open to receive the last few. The soldier made a point of telling me the area was calm. “We’re doing a good job. The European inspectors said the bodies were satisfactorily conserved. The temperature inside the wagons is kept between 0 °C and -5 °C”, he told me, before continuing his account of the tragic day: “My men and I were looking for parachutes on the ground and in the trees. All of a sudden, I saw scraps of material in a clearing. Underneath I found the body of a little girl, who can’t have been more than five. She was lying face down. It was awful. That was when I realised it was a civilian plane. Not a military one. And all these dead people were civilians. A heap of burst suitcases confirmed it”. The Oplot unit has been at the site ever since. They were the first to be tasked with identifying the bodies and then kept watch over the wreckage of the Malaysian jet before guarding the mortuary wagons. Yet the militiamen showed no sense of guilt, contradicting their commander who supplied the official version. “Obviously, it wasn’t us that shot the jet down. We haven’t got missiles that reach that high. This crime was committed by the bandits who take orders from the Kiev government. One of their fighters could easily have shot down the Malaysian Airlines plane”, they point out.
Agreement for handover of bodies
The militiamen’s hostility to Kiev was accompanied yesterday afternoon by sporadic fighting at the airport and railway station in Donetsk, the separatists’ capital. At least four people were killed in the city centre, all of them near the station. As evening drew in, however, the tension appeared to ease. Bursts of gunfire ceased to echo in the streets. Crucially, an agreement was reached to hand over the bodies and the stricken aircraft’s black boxes in a deal clinched during a phone call between the Malaysian prime minister, Najib Razak, and the self-proclaimed separatist prime minister, Alexander Boradai. It’s a solution that seemed to satisfy the pro-Russians, given that it leapfrogged the Kiev government. The refrigerated wagons with the remains of at least 282 bodies - the other sixteen are understood to have been destroyed in the blast - are due to move off during the night for Donetsk, and then the terminal at Kharhiv controlled by Ukrainian regular forces. The Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, has confirmed the agreement. This means that the remains and black boxes should be flown to Amsterdam in a Dutch C130 Hercules, escorted by a team of Danish and Dutch experts.
U penguan edhe ekspertet, u deshen disa dite te futeshin pasi cdo gje ishte bere lemsh ne zonen e aksidentit.
Foto e separatisteve tregon se ata kane pasur rraketat me te cilat u rrezua avioni.
Sergei Paschenko, qe me pare mund te kete qene ne forcat ajrore ruse, kishte postuar foton ne Facebook, por fshiu llogarine e tij pasi u perhap foto ne internet.
Foto e postuar nga Sergei Paschenko
Sistem rraketash BUK fotografuar ne qytetin Torez qe kontrollohet nga separatistet disa ore para rrezimit te avionit MH17
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