Kriza greke

[Darius]

One step at a time javan. Deri tani eshte i pari grek qe lexoj qe te shkruaje kaq rrepte per popullin e tij. Nuk pres nga greku te riparoje historine as tonen e as te tyren. Keshtuqe ne kete kontekst me mjafton ajo qe ka shkruar.

[cool_shqype]

Artikujt e ketij Dhimos jane rrufe ne qiell te hapur per mashtrimin me te madh te te gjitha kohrave bere nga kisha mizerabel dhe politikanet lera dreqer. Uroj qe edhe ky te pakten te mos vdese me leocemi
Ben nje zberthim tejet ndryshe nga sa cirren e bisherojn klikat e interesuara ne dreqi.....uroj te behen me shume ku ndofta nje shikim i ndryshem i se shkuares do tu ndricoje rrugen per te ardhmen, nje e ardhme me e mire per te tere ne rajon.
Me bene pershtypje dhe po citoj

26 May
THE MODERN GREEK STATE (An analysis) Nje artikull tjeter i Dimitris Epikouris

1-A Hellene can be anyone who participates in the Hellenic Education (Paideia) regardless of his place of birth, his complexion and his ethnic origin. A Hellene can be anyone who accepts as his cultural heritage what the ancient Hellenic world once created.
2- However, in a letter that Paparigopoulos had written accusing Sathas of being unwilling to tamper with the historical truth, he says: “As a historian, I must admit that you are right. As a Greek Orthodox, however, I am against you.”
3- The 1821 revolution wasn’t the first attempt of the Modern Greeks to free themselves from the Ottomans. There had been numerous attempts before but all of them failed simply because the Greek Orthodox Church sided with the Sultan to wipe out the revolutionaries since it was given a lot of land property and special privileges by the Ottomans. It is a well known historical fact that the Church excommunicated everyone who dared to doubt the authority of the Ottomans not to mention start a rebellion against them. The fairy tale that the monks preserved the ancient heritage and the language is no longer accepted by scholars and the people who read history. There was not such a thing as the “hidden school” (Kryfon Scholeion) simply because the Ottomans had allowed the construction of clergy schools as an attempt to help the clergy reproduce themselves by “producing” more monks. The only thing that was taught in the so called “hidden schools” was reading and writing psalms and prayers. Nothing about the ancient Hellas was taught. That brings me to another hot issue: Do you know how the huge land property of the church came about? Let me tell you how:
During the Ottoman years, no citizen was allowed to have property but the church. So, the locals gave the property to church hoping that after the liberation of the land, they would get it back. It never happened. The 1821 revolution was made to help the land get rid of its three tyrants:
The Ottomans, the rich dignitaries and collaborators of the Sultan and the priests. It succeeded in only one: Only the Ottomans were kicked out. The rest remain even in these days and continue to have the same power they had back then.
4- Modern Greeks neither possess nor wish to possess these elements. One last thing: Can somebody explain to me how come the ancient Greeks were so smart in terms of science, art, philosophy, theater, drama, etc and at the same time were so “stupid” according to Christians) in their religious beliefs?
The answer is simple: We have been taught to look at the Hellenic cosmos through Christian eyes. That doesn’t enable us to understand the depths of the ancient Greek world.

[Billy Joe]

siqoqofte, artikulli i grekut me pasaktesi te vogla, eshte shume realist.

[Billy Joe]

Greece will never be a purely european country. It can’t be. It doesn’t want to be.

po shqiperia? do behet ndonjehere purely european, me kete klase politike anadollake qe ben ceshte e mundur te shtyje statusin kandidat? A do jemi ne nje vend purely european, duke patur parasysh kopete e haxhi qamileve qe shfryjne cdo dite vrer kunder europes(prej vitesh jane dhe ketu ne forum)?
a hyhet ne europe me xima abedina dhe me nuh musa?

[Billy Joe]

Kete ma quan realizem si i Kadarese?



Une per vete, lexova vec 2 paragrafe ne fillim dhe 3 rreshta ne fund. Ky shefi duhet mesuar qe theokracine dhe Bizantin i solli raca e vet sirio-egjiptiane, pas modelit aziatik qe perfaqesonte.

Nuk ndryshojme shume, ata jane siriane prej verteti, keta tanet jane siriane bionde wanna be qe dalin ne protesta me flamuj palestineze rrugeve te shkupit, duke uleritur bile.

[drague]

po shqiperia? do behet ndonjehere purely european, me kete klase politike anadollake qe ben ceshte e mundur te shtyje statusin kandidat? A do jemi ne nje vend purely european, duke patur parasysh kopete e haxhi qamileve qe shfryjne cdo dite vrer kunder europes(prej vitesh jane dhe ketu ne forum)?
a hyhet ne europe me xima abedina dhe me nuh musa?

kjo eshte urrejtje nderfetarevdeksh gjasme

[Billy Joe]

kjo eshte urrejtje nderfetarevdeksh gjasme

po ca urrejtje mer lal, po un vdes ne vend dhe refuzoj te jem i nje race me xim abedinin
un do mbaj racen shqiptare, ai le te behet palestinez.
llogarit cik sa qindra mijra xima ka.

nejse, se jemi jashte teme komplet(eshte teme per grekun kjo, duhet hapur nje tem tjeter "kriza shqiptare"), por dhe ne duhet ti therrasim mendjes, te veme jo gishtin ne plage. por thiken, te pastrojme qelbin.

[drague]

une nuk mund te flas per Greqine se nuk e kam shkelur asnjehere.

shkak ka qene racizmi ndaj shqiptareve.epo thojn jan gjermanet racist!

hajde prenceed na thuj nai1 gjo

[Billy Joe]

une nuk mund te flas per Greqine se nuk e kam shkelur asnjehere.

shkak ka qene racizmi ndaj shqiptareve.epo thojn jan gjermanet racist!

hajde prenceed na thuj nai1 gjo

kam shkelur un mer ne athin me dhjetra her, te dukej vetja si ne tunis me afrikano veriore, kokoroca te vegjel 1 metro e 60 te zeshket.
kush ishte i gjat dhe i bardh te vije bast qe ishte arvanitas.

[javan]

Artikujt e ketij Dhimos jane rrufe ne qiell te hapur per mashtrimin me te madh te te gjitha kohrave bere nga kisha mizerabel dhe politikanet lera dreqer. Uroj qe edhe ky te pakten te mos vdese me leocemi
Ben nje zberthim tejet ndryshe nga sa cirren e bisherojn klikat e interesuara ne dreqi.....uroj te behen me shume ku ndofta nje shikim i ndryshem i se shkuares do tu ndricoje rrugen per te ardhmen, nje e ardhme me e mire per te tere ne rajon.
Me bene pershtypje dhe po citoj

26 May
THE MODERN GREEK STATE (An analysis) Nje artikull tjeter i Dimitris Epikouris

1-A Hellene can be anyone who participates in the Hellenic Education (Paideia) regardless of his place of birth, his complexion and his ethnic origin. A Hellene can be anyone who accepts as his cultural heritage what the ancient Hellenic world once created.
2- However, in a letter that Paparigopoulos had written accusing Sathas of being unwilling to tamper with the historical truth, he says: “As a historian, I must admit that you are right. As a Greek Orthodox, however, I am against you.”
3- The 1821 revolution wasn’t the first attempt of the Modern Greeks to free themselves from the Ottomans. There had been numerous attempts before but all of them failed simply because the Greek Orthodox Church sided with the Sultan to wipe out the revolutionaries since it was given a lot of land property and special privileges by the Ottomans. It is a well known historical fact that the Church excommunicated everyone who dared to doubt the authority of the Ottomans not to mention start a rebellion against them. The fairy tale that the monks preserved the ancient heritage and the language is no longer accepted by scholars and the people who read history. There was not such a thing as the “hidden school” (Kryfon Scholeion) simply because the Ottomans had allowed the construction of clergy schools as an attempt to help the clergy reproduce themselves by “producing” more monks. The only thing that was taught in the so called “hidden schools” was reading and writing psalms and prayers. Nothing about the ancient Hellas was taught. That brings me to another hot issue: Do you know how the huge land property of the church came about? Let me tell you how:
During the Ottoman years, no citizen was allowed to have property but the church. So, the locals gave the property to church hoping that after the liberation of the land, they would get it back. It never happened. The 1821 revolution was made to help the land get rid of its three tyrants:
The Ottomans, the rich dignitaries and collaborators of the Sultan and the priests. It succeeded in only one: Only the Ottomans were kicked out. The rest remain even in these days and continue to have the same power they had back then.
4- Modern Greeks neither possess nor wish to possess these elements. One last thing: Can somebody explain to me how come the ancient Greeks were so smart in terms of science, art, philosophy, theater, drama, etc and at the same time were so “stupid” according to Christians) in their religious beliefs?
The answer is simple: We have been taught to look at the Hellenic cosmos through Christian eyes. That doesn’t enable us to understand the depths of the ancient Greek world.

Nuk vdes ky jo. Se nuk po thote ate qe eshte kryesoren. Se nuk eshte se helenet u budallepsen, ai populli i vjeter me tolerance nuk ishte grek. Po ashtu nuk po thote ate kryesoren, se tokat qe ju dhane kishes qe ne te pronareve shqiptare, te cilet jo vetem qe nuk i moren mbrapsh por u debuan. E njejta gje ka ndoshur edhe me kisha te tjera, ato sllave, perfshi ketu edhe Athos.