Indi-Pakistan -Pershkallezohet konflikti

[Darius]

Trupat Indiane dhe Pakistaneze shkembejne zjarr ne zonen e Chakotit


Mbas shperthimeve ne Mumbai dhe autobombes se para disa diteve ne Peshawar, dje trupat ushtarake indiane dhe pakistaneze kane patur nje shkembim zjarri ne sektorin Chakoti qe quhet ndryshe dhe Vija e Kontrollit Chakoti. Shkembimi i zjarrit ka zgjatur me shume se nje ore ku u perdoren arme te lehta zjarri dhe mortaja. Ky shkembim zjarri theu marrveshjen e armepushimit midis dy vendeve. Ende nuk dihet se kush filloi i pari por sidoqofte forcat ushtarake te te dyja paleve ju pergjigjen njera tjetres me te njejten menyre. Disa nga familjet ne zonen perreth u shperngulen ne zona te tjera. Sipas deshmitareve okulare shkembimi i zjarrit vazhdoi deri te dielen ne mengjes.

MUZAFFARABAD: Pakistani and Indian troops traded fire at Chakoti Line of Control, causing panic among the locals. On Saturday night at 9:00 pm, Indian troops violating ceasefire opened indiscriminate firing at positions of Pakistan army in areas of Pando and Opi, Chakoti sector.

The Indian troops used small weapons and mortar guns in the firing that lasted more than one hour. Pakistan army retaliated with same force.

Besides compelling people living in Chakoti sector and adjacent villages to shift to safer places, the firing has created panic among them because it was the first time Pakistan and Indian troops exchanged fire followed by Mumbai carnage.

Various families had been migrated to other places from Chakoti sector due to firing. According to eyewitnesses, firing was continued till Sunday morning.

Pakistan, India troops exchange fire at Chakoti sector



Sipas disa komenteve qe po lexoja, mbas sulmit ne Mumbai, India kishte marre vendimin per te reaguar ashper ndaj terroristave dhe ne rastin konkret ndaj Pakistanit duke qene se u konfirmua qe ata kishin hyre ne territorin Indian nga ky vend dhe ishin pjese e nje grupi terrorist me baze ne kufirin pakistanez me Indine. Pra konlifkti i djeshem mund te jete shume mire fillimi i pergjigjes se indianeve ndaj Pakistanit duke e konsideruar kete te fundit si fole terroristash. Nderkohe dhe ne vendin fqinj situata mbas shperthimit ne Peshawar nuk eshte aspak e qete. Sic raportohet, guerrilasit talibane dogjen nje karvan prej 100 kamionash ushtarak qe transportonin ushqime dhe pajisje per forcat amerikane.

NEW DELHI - Following the Mumbai attacks last week, it is emerging that India intends to take the "war on terror" to the next level - specifically, by taking out militant training camps that India believes dot Pakistan-administered Kashmir.

A senior official in India's Home Ministry told Asia Times Online that a decision had been made at the highest levels that India will be directly involved in "annihilating" some of the terror infrastructure and personnel based in Pakistan.

Although fraught with risk, "hot pursuit" has been debated in India for some time. The Mumbai strikes, which claimed the lives of nearly 200 people, may have supplied the impetus needed for action.

According to the official, who declined to be named, these operations will essentially be covert to prevent an all-out war between the two nuclear-armed neighbors. Officially, India may continue to deny such actions, all the while taking the battle to the terrorists.

India sets sights on Pakistani camps

[Hyj-Njeriu]

Keto jane shtete te cmendura, njehere bejne demostrime atomike ne kufi,pastaj ja kercasin me mortaja. Te shikojme kush do e hedhe i pari atomiken, se heret a vone aty do plase.
Te na rroje globalizmi - tha njeri.

[RaPSouL]

India fajëson Pakistanin se ishte përgjegjës për sulmin terroristë që u bë, në anën tjetër Pakistani fajëson Indinë se ishte përgjegjëse për sulmin tjetër terroristë që ndodhi në Pakistan, çmund të pritje dicka tjetër pos një konflikti nga e gjithë kjo.

[Darius]

Konflikti midis ketyre dy vendeve eshte jashtezakonisht i rrezikshem po te kihet parasysh qe te dyja jo vetem kane nje force ushtarake te konsiderueshme si ne armatim ashtu dhe ne njerez (per kete te fundit sidomos India) por jane ne zoterim dhe te armeve berthamore. Ndonese raporti i forces njerezore eshte shume i ndryshem, perseri qenie ne zoterim te bombes atomike e kthen kete konflikt te ardhshem ne nje rrezik shume te madh per jo vetem zonen por edhe me gjere. Ne raste te tilla dihet mire hapi kryesor qe merret, ai i krijimit te aleancave kryesisht me vendet fqinje. India prej kohesh ka mosmarrveshje me Kinen per nje pjese te kufirit te saj dhe pershkallezimi i konfliktit midis dy vendeve mund te coje dhe ne krijimin e aleancave qe do e rendojne me shume situaten. Ne nje webfaqe amerikane qe trajton lajme ushtarake, informacione dhe raportime mbi teknologjine dhe zoterimin e tyre ne vende te ndryshme te botes, si dhe raporte te detajuara nga cia factobook jepet ky informacion per te dyja vende:

Pakistani ka kete fuqi ushtarake ne njerez ne dispoziconin e tij: 75,807,598

India ka: 556,075,946 (duke qene vetem 10 milion ushtare me pak se fuqia me e madhe e botes ne njerez, Kina)

Flota tregtare pakistaneze ka vetem 14 anije, shifer kjo e mjerueshme e krahasuar me Indine qe ka 477 te tilla... etj. Qe mos hy ne detaje po paraqes grafikun krahasues midis dy vendeve dhe nxirreni vete konkluzionin:




Po sot, ne Guardian kishte nje artikull shume interesant qe flet per nje telefonate kercenuese e dale nga Ministria e Puneve te Jashteme te Indise drejtuar qeverise pakistaneze, telefonate qe pothuajse shkaktoi fillimin e luftes midis dy vendeve. Artikulli eshte shume interesant dhe ja vlen te lexohet:

A mysterious night-time telephone call brought India and Pakistan, two nuclear armed countries, to the brink of war at the height of the crisis over the Mumbai terror attacks, it was revealed yesterday.

According to the Pakistani authorities, a "threatening" call was made by the Indian government, ostensibly from the foreign minister, Pranab Mukherjee, to Pakistan's president, Asif Zardari, on Friday November 28, two days after the drama in Mumbai began. India had by then declared that all the militants who had stormed its commercial capital were from Pakistan.

The heated conversation left Zardari believing that India was about to attack his country, reportedly pushing Pakistan's armed forces to high alert. Given Pakistan's inferiority in conventional forces, analysts believe it could respond with nuclear weapons to an Indian attack.

Zardari quickly mobilised western leaders in an attempt to avert war, telephoning the US secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, and Britain's foreign secretary, David Miliband, among others, who in turn frantically called New Delhi. Rice reportedly telephoned Mukherjee in the middle of the night and demanded: "Why have you threatened war?"

Yesterday Mukherjee lashed out at Pakistan, denying that he had made any such call. "I can only ascribe this series of events [the story of the call] to those who wish to divert attention from the fact that a terrorist group, operating from Pakistani territory, planned and launched a ghastly attack on Mumbai," he said.

Pakistan's government insists that the phone call came from a number in India's ministry of external affairs. Wajid Hasan, Pakistan's ambassador in London, said a caller ID system in the presidency was used to identify the origins of the call. "They did it [made the call]. It was not a hoax call, but an instrument of psychological warfare. They were trying to scare Pakistan, test the waters for our reaction."

Mysterious phone call brought nuclear rivals to the brink after Mumbai

[RaPSouL]

Atë sqarimin që bëre Darius më lartë është mëse me vend. Nëse krahasohen për nga fuqit ushtarake që kanë të dy palet Pakistani është një grimcë e vogël për Indin që renditet fuqia e dytë botërore në numër të njësive ushtarake, mirëpo ajo që të gjithë nuk e dëshirojmë të ndodhë është ajo që posedon Pakistani, që shancet i ka fare zero kundrejt një Indie që ka një kapacitet të konsiderueshëm të njësitit ushtarak, por shancet e Pakistanit bëhet absolutisht në favor të tyre po u përdoren armët bërthamore që posedojnë këto të fundit, vërtet një marëveshje më e qetë do të ishte shumë më e dobishme për këta 2 shtete por edhe për rajonin e tyre.

[Darius]

Si pjese e lajmit mund te jepte dhe ky informacion i historise se konfliktit midis dy vendeve. Kjo shpjegon me mire tensionin gjithmone te ndere midis tyre dhe rrezikun e vazhdueshem per nje konflikt te armatosur. Citimi i me poshtem eshte marre nga wikipedia qe ndonese se pelqej dhe nuk i referohem kurre, kete rast me beri pune

Origins of conflict

The root of most conflicts and the mutual antipathy lies in the so called Hindu-Muslim divide that led to the partition of India in 1947 and the creation of Pakistan. The partition was an ill-conceived idea, since many Muslim majority areas remained within India and could not possibly be united into a common geographic area. The political leaders of the newly created state of Pakistan nursed a hatred for India and propagated their feelings among their masses. In fact, in Pakistani schools, their history books begin with the independence of Pakistan and ignore the past history of the Indian subcontinent of which they are a part. Dispute over the mountainous region of Kashmir and in the manner in which its political alignment was decided by the two countries following partition in 1947. Kashmir was ruled by Maharaja Hari Singh, a Hindu, but following an invasion by Pakistani tribals he ceded his territory to India, though Pakistan argues that he did so under duress. This resulted in the breaking out of the First Kashmir War between Indian and Pakistani troops which lasted until 1948, when India moved the issue to the UN Security Council. The UN Security Council passed Resolution 47 on April 21, 1948. The resolution stated "that the final disposition of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will be made in accordance with the will of the people expressed through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite conducted under the auspices of the United Nations". The cease fire took place on December 31, 1948.

The Second Kashmir War began with Pakistan infiltrating into and starting a rebellion in Jammu and Kashmir. (See Operation Gibraltar) The plan was a non-starter and India retaliated by launching an attack on Pakistan thus igniting the war.

The third war was unique in that it did not involve the issue of Kashmir, but was rather precipitated by the crisis brewing in East Pakistan. After months of internal conflict, India decided to help the Bengalis in East Pakistan - much to the consternation of West Pakistan. Within just a fortnight the Indian Military had defeated Pakistan with the aid of the rebels and forced Pakistan to surrender. This war, despite lasting only a fortnight, saw the highest number of casualties in any of the India-Pakistan conflicts, as well as the largest number of Prisoners of War since the Second World War after the surrender of nearly 100,000 Pakistani troops and civilians. It is believed that 1,000,000-3,000,000 Bangladeshis were killed as a result of this war.

The latest war, the Kargil War, is considered a minor war because fighting was limited to a single front in Kashmir; though it produced stirring emotions between the two nations involved, coming at a time of increased media and electronic coverage. This was the second and most recent ground war between any two nations after they had developed nuclear weapons, after the Sino-Soviet border conflict.

[edit] Other conflicts

Apart from the aforementioned wars, there have been skirmishes between the two nations from time to time. Some have bordered on all-out war, while others were limited in scope. The countries were expected to fight each other in 1955 after warlike posturing on both sides, but full-scale war did not break out. In 1984 there was a flashpoint as both nations attempted to control the Siachen Glacier. Further clashes erupted in the glacial area in 1985, 1987 and 1995 as Pakistan sought without success to oust India from their stronghold.

Between November 1986 and March 1987, India conducted Operation Brasstacks. This military exercise - the largest of its kind in South Asia - raised eyebrows in Pakistan and it was feared that it would lead to another war between the two neighbours. Tensions were high again in 1990 after militancy in Indian-administered Kashmir greatly increased. A terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament on December 13, 2001, blamed by India on the Pakistan-based terrorist organizations Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed, prompted the 2001-2002 India-Pakistan standoff and brought both sides close to war.

Until the ceasefire the LOC was also spectator to daily artillery exchange between Indian and Pakistani armies.

[Darius]

Keto jane shtete te cmendura, njehere bejne demostrime atomike ne kufi,pastaj ja kercasin me mortaja. Te shikojme kush do e hedhe i pari atomiken, se heret a vone aty do plase.
Te na rroje globalizmi - tha njeri.

E di kush eshte rreziku me i madh? Fakti qe Pakistani ka fuqi inferiore ushtarake ndaj Indise dihet por pak dihet radikalizmi i nje pjese te ushtrise pakistaneze dhe ushtarakeve te larte te saj te cilet shpesh jane akuzuar se mbeshtesin grupet xhihadiste qe veprojne ne Pakistan. Merret me mend se cmund te ndodhe nese ne dore te tyre bie ndonjeri nga butonat e nukes. Frika te shtyne ne veprime te marra dhe inferiotetit ndaj Indise, keta te cmendur mund ti pergjigjen vetem nepermjet nje bombe atomike.

[Longarus]

Ne Indi jetojne nje numer i madh i muslimaneve dhe me te filluar lufta kjo do te merr menjehere nje kahje te luftes se shenjte islamike kunder Indise .
Kjo mua me duket si nje plan i mire planifikuar nga dikush tjeter , qe te tehiqen grupet e radikalizuara muslimane qe sot jane te koncentruara ne lufte kunder Amerikes dhe Botes perendimore ne nje konflikt tjeter e i cili me siguri mund te zgjas shume . Ne kete menyre grupet islamike mund te orientoheshin dhe koncentroheshin tani ne nje zone krejt tjeter nga Iraku dhe Afganistani , duke i detyruar talebanet qe te luftojne ne kete zone . Poashtu edhe vemendja nderkombetare do te largohej paksa nga zonat e nxehta qe jane sot ne nje zone te re te nxehte e qe ka tendenca qe te jete edhe nukleare .

[RaPSouL]

Ne Indi jetojne nje numer i madh i muslimaneve dhe me te filluar lufta kjo do te merr menjehere nje kahje te luftes se shenjte islamike kunder Indise .
Kjo mua me duket si nje plan i mire planifikuar nga dikush tjeter , qe te tehiqen grupet e radikalizuara muslimane qe sot jane te koncentruara ne lufte kunder Amerikes dhe Botes perendimore ne nje konflikt tjeter e i cili me siguri mund te zgjas shume . Ne kete menyre grupet islamike mund te orientoheshin dhe koncentroheshin tani ne nje zone krejt tjeter nga Iraku dhe Afganistani , duke i detyruar talebanet qe te luftojne ne kete zone . Poashtu edhe vemendja nderkombetare do te largohej paksa nga zonat e nxehta qe jane sot ne nje zone te re te nxehte e qe ka tendenca qe te jete edhe nukleare .

Mendim i mirë, por po të shkonim në bazë të kësaj teorie që solle atëher del që Amerika është inciatorja e gjithë kësaj.

[Longarus]

Mendim i mirë, por po të shkonim në bazë të kësaj teorie që solle atëher del që Amerika është inciatorja e gjithë kësaj.

Paj pak a shume po ??? Bota perendimore me mire ta quajme .

New presidents , new wars

Kjo mund te tregonte poashtu edhe rrezikun e posedimin te armeve nukleare nga shtetet muslimane qe do te perdorej edhe si pretekst per ndonje intervenim te mundeshem ne Iran .