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    Helena ne Egjipt
    (falenderoj Dariusin qe ma rikujtoi kete pasazh ngaHerodoti sepse e kisha harruar fare faktin se edhe ai e permend kete kontraverze historike)


    Herodoti - HISTORIA, Liber 2 (Euterpa), par.112-120

    Pheron, they said, was succeeded by a man of Memphis, whose name, in the language of the Greeks, was Proteus. There is a sacred precinct of this king in Memphis, which is very beautiful, and richly adorned, situated south of the great temple of Vulcan. (...) Within the enclosure stands a temple, which is called that of Venus the Stranger. I conjecture the building to have been erected to Helen, the daughter of Tyndarus; first, because she, as I have heard say, passed some time at the court of Proteus; and secondly, because the temple is dedicated to Venus the Stranger; for among all the many temples of Venus there is no other where the goddess bears this title.

    The priests, in answer (...) When Alexander had carried off Helen from Sparta, (...) On his way across the Egean a gale arose, which drove him from his course and took him down to the sea of Egypt;... he was carried on to the coast, .. landing at the Salt-Pans,.. which is now called the Canobic. ..

    Finally, Proteus delivered judgment as follows: “... Now then, as I think it of the greatest importance to put no stranger to death, I suffer thee to depart; but the woman and the treasures I shall not permit to be carried away. Here they must stay, till the Greek stranger comes in person and takes them back with him. For thyself and thy companions, I command thee to begone from my land within the space of three days—and I warn you, that otherwise at the end of that time you will be treated as enemies.”

    ...It seems to me that Homer was acquainted with this story, and while discarding it, because he thought it less adapted for epic poetry than the version which he followed, showed that it was not unknown to him. This is evident from the travels which he assigns to Alexander in the Iliad—and let it be borne in mind that he has nowhere else contradicted himself—making him be carried out of his course on his return with Helen, and after divers wanderings come at last to Sidon in Phoenicia. The passage is in the Bravery of Diomed, and the words are as follows:—

    There were the robes, many-coloured, the work of Sidonian women:
    They from Sidon had come, what time god-shaped Alexander
    Over the broad sea brought, that way, the high-born Helen.
    In the Odyssey also the same fact is alluded to, in these words:—

    Such, so wisely prepared, were the drugs that her stores
    afforded,
    Excellent; gift which once Polydamna, partner of Thonis,
    Gave her in Egypt, where many the simples that grow in the
    meadows,
    Potent to cure in part, in part as potent to injure.
    Menelaus too, in the same poem, thus addresses Telemachus:—

    Much did I long to return, but the Gods still kept me in Egypt-
    Angry because I had failed to pay them their hecatombs duly.
    In these places Homer shows himself acquainted with the voyage of Alexander to Egypt, for Syria borders on Egypt, and the Phoenicians, to whom Sidon belongs, dwell in Syria.

    From these various passages, and from that about Sidon especially, it is clear that Homer did not write the Cypria. For there it is said that Alexander arrived at Ilium with Helen on the third day after he left Sparta, the wind having been favourable, and the sea smooth; whereas in the Iliad, the poet makes him wander before he brings her home. Enough, however, for the present of Homer and the Cypria.

    I made inquiry of the priests whether the story which the Greeks tell about Ilium is a fable, or no. In reply they related the following particulars, of which they declared that Menelaus had himself informed them. After the rape of Helen, a vast army of Greeks, wishing to render help to Menelaus, set sail for the Teucrian territory; on their arrival they disembarked, and formed their camp, after which they sent ambassadors to Ilium, of whom Menelaus was one. The embassy was received within the walls, and demanded the restoration of Helen with the treasures which Alexander had carried off, and likewise required satisfaction for the wrong done. The Teucrians gave at once the answer in which they persisted ever afterwards, backing their assertions sometimes even with oaths, to wit, that neither Helen, nor the treasures claimed, were in their possession,—both the one and the other had remained, they said, in Egypt; and it was not just to come upon them for what Proteus, king of Egypt, was detaining. The Greeks, imagining that the Teucrians were merely laughing at them, laid siege to the town, and never rested until they finally took it. As, however, no Helen was found, and they were still told the same story, they at length believed in its truth, and despatched Menelaus to the court of Proteus.

    So Menelaus travelled to Egypt, and on his arrival sailed up the river as far as Memphis, and related all that had happened. He met with the utmost hospitality, received Helen back unharmed, and recovered all his treasures. After this friendly treatment Menelaus, they said, behaved most unjustly towards the Egyptians; for as it happened that at the time when he wanted to take his departure, he was detained by the wind being contrary, and as he found this obstruction continue, he had recourse to a most wicked expedient. He seized, they said, two children of the people of the country, and offered them up in sacrifice. When this became known, the indignation of the people was stirred, and they went in pursuit of Menelaus, who, however, escaped with his ships to Libya, after which the Egyptians could not say whither he went. The rest they knew full well, partly by the inquiries which they had made, and partly from the circumstances having taken place in their own land, and therefore not admitting of doubt.

    Such is the account given by the Egyptian priests, and I am myself inclined to regard as true all that they say of Helen from the following considerations:—If Helen had been at Troy, the inhabitants would, I think, have given her up to the Greeks, whether Alexander consented to it or no. For surely neither Priam, nor his family, could have been so infatuated as to endanger their own persons, their children, and their city, merely that Alexander might possess Helen. At any rate, if they determined to refuse at first, yet afterwards when so many of the Trojans fell on every encounter with the Greeks, and Priam too in each battle lost a son, or sometimes two, or three, or even more, if we may credit the epic poets, I do not believe that even if Priam himself had been married to her he would have declined to deliver her up, with the view of bringing the series of calamities to a close. Nor was it as if Alexander had been heir to the crown, in which case he might have had the chief management of affairs, since Priam was already old. Hector, who was his elder brother, and a far braver man, stood before him, and was the heir to the kingdom on the death of their father Priam. And it could not be Hector’s interest to uphold his brother in his wrong, when it brought such dire calamities upon himself and the other Trojans. But the fact was that they had no Helen to deliver, and so they told the Greeks, but the Greeks would not believe what they said—Divine Providence, as I think, so willing, that by their utter destruction it might be made evident to all men that when great wrongs are done, the gods will surely visit them with great punishments. Such, at least, is my view of the matter.
    Aeneas Dardanus
    Lavdi, pasthirrme fosilesh, germadhash e rrenojash vershelluese. -Eja pas meje!...

  2. #32
    Restaurator Orbis Maska e Baptist
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    Ne fakt Herodoti ngaterron gjerat sepse vet Proteus-i duhet te jete emri i Priamit. Por menyra e interpertimit te tij eshte e tera genjeshter.
    Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga Baptist : 07-12-2008 mė 02:14
    Aeneas Dardanus
    Lavdi, pasthirrme fosilesh, germadhash e rrenojash vershelluese. -Eja pas meje!...

  3. #33
    Ernst Kaltenbrunner Maska e Bizantin
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    Manethon ka qėnė njė gėnjeshtar sajues pallavrash kombėtariste.
    Slagt ham! Kristenmands sųnn har dåret. Dovregubbens veneste mų.

    Gott mit Uns

  4. #34
    Easy romeo easy Manetho ka patur pasaktesira plot por shume kronologji edhe sot e kesaj dite bazohen tek puna e tij. Keshtuqe merre me qetesi se po flasim per ate qe dihet dhe jo hipoteza.

  5. #35
    Perjashtuar
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    Citim Postuar mė parė nga Baptist Lexo Postimin
    Po Mesiti apo Mesihu per cka sheben? Une Parisin e shoh vetem si mesit ne gjithe ate mesele.

    Mes tjerash ajo kishte nderruar nje varg burrash nga princerit Trojane...

    Pastaj mbreti i Egjiptit (atebote) nuk ishte egjiptian dhe as Egjipti i egjiptianeve.
    Memnoni, (Amenhotepi III koregjent i Amenhotepit IV te vetquajtur Akhenaton)
    ishte djali i djalit te axhes se babait te Hektorit Eneut e tjereve nga kjo linje. Nuk e kishte derguar te jevgjit por te ata qe i kishte gjak.

    Menelau nuk ka perse te konsiderohet per dicka tjeter ai e kishte kryer mandatin martesor me te para se t'i mirrej ne vend se t'i sillej burri tjeter.

    Tek Apollonia 2008, shpjegimi is simbolit te phallusit dhe henes:

    Menes i eshte dhene titulli “Mashkull i Malit". Hieroglifi i mashkullit eshte njelloj me ate te Mentuhotep IV (mbase dikujt i intereson kjo). Min njihet si “Zot i Vendeve te Huaja
    Ky "Zot i vendeve te Huaja" per Egjiptin venerohet ne Apolloni, ku me sa duket nuk eshte i "Huaj".

    Mentuhotepet adhuronin Zotin e Huaj Menes/Mentu. Mentuhotepi IV sic ka vene ne dukje Baptisti thuhet te kete mbreteruar 7 vjet, por nuk gjendet ne listen e mbreterve te Abydos (Egjipt) dhe zevendesohet nga veziri tij Amenemhat ne nje dinasti te re. Behet fjale per rreth 2000 vjet pes.

    Me qe nuk ka rekorde per te birin, ja statuja e Mentuhotep III:

    Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga javan : 07-12-2008 mė 08:56

  6. #36
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    Diku lexova se Amenhotepi III dhe guaja e tij Nefertite jene ne fakt figurat qendrore te cilat udhehoqen shtresen e ulet egjiptine (lexo Izraelite) nga Egjipti dhe themeluan Izraelin me qellim qe te ruanin fene monoteiste.

    Me duket se ka dele nje liber per kete qe duhet te jete me interes.

    "Sekretet e Eksodit" Messod, Roger Sabbah

    Sipas autoreve, eksodi ka qene eksil vetem i monoteisteve egjiptiane te Akhet-Atonit, me sakte nga kryeqyteti i Amenhotepit III. Sipas tyre Abrahami, Jozef, Mose, Sara etj kishin tituj mbreterore te dinastise se faraoneve duke filluar nga Akhetanon aka Nefertiti etj. Po sipas ketij libri, kjo popullate monoteiste u vendos ne Kanan, 40 vjet pas fushates se Tutankhamonit. Libri vendos lidhje mes hieroglifve egjiptiane dhe shkrimit hebraik. Ata mendojne se Akhenaton eshte barazuar me "Atone -Kha" ne "Anokhi Adonai" dmth "Une jam Zoti yt". Por kjo mbetet per t'u pare, pasi keti behet nje barazim tjeter politeist i nje grupacioni monoteist, gje qe bie ne kundeshtim me vete teorine e shkrimtareve.
    Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga javan : 16-12-2008 mė 23:23

  7. #37
    i/e regjistruar Maska e ajzberg
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    Nefertiti u vra, dhe perseri mumja e saj u gjend e shkateruar ne koke dhe ne gjoks.Kjo ishte hakmarja e prifterinjeve te cilet nuk ja falen asaj monoteizmin.
    Eshte dhene nje dekumentar me jeten dhe te tjera ngjarje te Nefertitit.
    Besimi i saj ne foton e pare dhe mumja e goditur ne foton e dyte
    Fotografitė e Bashkėngjitura Fotografitė e Bashkėngjitura   
    Dija eshte injorance e mesuar.....

  8. #38
    Citim Postuar mė parė nga javan Lexo Postimin
    Diku lexova se Amenhotepi III dhe guaja e tij Nefertite jene ne fakt figurat qendrore te cilat udhehoqen shtresen e ulet egjiptine (lexo Izraelite) nga Egjipti dhe themeluan Izraelin me qellim qe te ruanin fene monoteiste.

    Me duket se ka dele nje liber per kete qe duhet te jete me interes.

    "Sekretet e Eksodit" Messod, Roger Sabbah

    Sipas autoreve, eksodi ka qene eksil vetem i monoteisteve egjiptiane te Akhet-Atonit, me sakte nga kryeqyteti i Amenhotepit III. Sipas tyre Abrahami, Jozef, Mose, Sara etj kishin tituj mbreterore te dinastise se faraoneve duke filluar nga Akhetanon aka Nefertiti etj. Po sipas ketij libri, kjo popullate monoteiste u vendos ne Kanan, 40 vjet pas fushates se Tutankhamonit. Libri vendos lidhje mes hieroglifve egjiptiane dhe shkrimit hebraik. Ata mendojne se Akhenaton eshte barazuar me "Atone -Kha" ne "Anokhi Adonai" dmth "Une jam Zoti yt". Por kjo mbetet per t'u pare, pasi keti behet nje barazim tjeter politeist i nje grupacioni monoteist, gje qe bie ne kundeshtim me vete teorine e shkrimtareve.
    E kam lexuar dhe une diku kete gje. Madje aty dhe vete Moisiun (sme kujtohet emri egjyptian i tij) supozohet se ka qene njeri prej jo vetem mbeshtetesve te Amenhotepit por edhe kryeprift dhe konsiderohet dhe si grabitesi i Ben Ben-it (nga ku ka dale dhe teoria qe nuk ka qene gje tjeter vecse The Ark Of Covenant).

  9. #39
    i/e regjistruar Maska e Kreksi
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    Faza e parė;
    Rruga drejte tokes se premtuar ! 1850 para krishti;
    Abrahami ishte vetem se shef i semitve, te shperngulur nga Ur, Mesoptami, ne tokat Kanaene(palest. aktu.) qe ngiten Ur-in e dyte me emrin Urusalem, pastaj jerusalem... pra kjo eshte nje epoke nja 1850 vite para krishti...

    Faza e dytė; disa dekada me vonė...
    Pastaj vjen epoka e dyte, ajo e urisė(pas disa viteve) ku disa thone se keta semitet u derguan(deportuan me force) ne Egjiptė, versione tjera biblike dalinse leshuan Kananin pershkake te urisė...

    Faza e trete; 300 vite me vonė...
    Vjene Ekzodi ku, Moisi (mojsiu) zgjidhet si ēliruesi i tyre, shpetimtari...dhe kthimin e semitve ne kanan perseri pas 300 vitesh por ne kete kohe, Palestinezet, filistet e kishin pushtuar kete toke derisa semitet ishin ne egjiptė...
    Askush nuk te pyt: ē'ka bere atedheu per ty por ē'ke bere ti per Atedheun ! - JFK

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    Aeneas Dardanus
    Lavdi, pasthirrme fosilesh, germadhash e rrenojash vershelluese. -Eja pas meje!...

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