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    Kjo mosmarveshtje e bredeshme ne perandorin rromake,e shtyjti per nje koh avanturen e legjioneve rromake ne teritoret e thrakis,ndesa luftimet ishin te perqendruara me getet ne veri dhe me iliro-maqedonet ne perendim....

    .....Thrakasit ,nuk munden te bashkohen,te behen unik,sepse e dinin qe HIJA E MADHE E ROMES DALNGADAL PO ZGJEROHET EDHE NE DREJTIM TE TYRE,DARDANET DHE THRAKET,TE FUNDIT THUAJSE ISHIN QE JU NENSHTRUAN ROMES,RROMAKET kan qen te mahnitur me menyren e luftimeve,dhe srategjin e aplikimit te luftimeve nga thraket dhe dardanet,normal per shkak te humbjeve qe kishin,ata iquanin si egersira dhe njerz me shum koka....,te pa vdekshem....

    .....gjithashtu te vetmit dardanet dhe thraket,ishin qe penguan dhe stopuan dyndjet e kelteve te veriut ne teritoret iliro-thrako-maqedone.

    Dyndjet e kelteve nga britania,ne fillim kamn qen ne tre drejtime, spanja,franca dhe iliriku....

    Franca=galia...
    Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga Darius : 25-01-2013 mė 10:50

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    Pėr: Kush ishin trakėt?

    sipas keti shkrimi,edhe suedezet rrjedhin prej thrakve
    Thracians: Ancestors of the Swedes

    The origins of the Thracians, and thus the Swedes, can be traced back to secular and biblical history. Chapters 9 and 10 of Genesis describe how the nations developed from Noah's three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Recorded history continually verifies the biblical account of the spread of nations.

    The Genesis account, as a historical document, is fully corroborated by an overwhelming richness of documentary and other historical evidence so vast that it is unique in recorded history. No other manuscript enjoys such a wealth of detailed corroboration from such a wide-ranging variety of sources. The Indo-European peoples were all too aware of their historic and ethnic descent from the line of Japheth, Noah's 3rd son. These peoples, through carefully preserved records, could trace their lineage and race back to the time of Babel and the dispersal of the nations from the plain of Shinar. Noah's flood is generally agreed to have occurred about 2350 BC, and from here we find the beginnings of nations and empires (Egypt, Persia, Greek, etc). The evidence is striking from those early post-Flood nations of the Mesopotamian valley, who had direct contact with one another, and who preserved in written records those names that are explicitly mentioned in the Genesis record.
    The records that have come down to us lend their weight to the already vast body of documentary evidence that can only convince us that the Genesis record is a true and faithful historical account of the early history of mankind. What is remarkable about these records is that they mostly come from ancient historians and writers of various nationalities who had not the least intention, either consciously or otherwise, of lending support to the Genesis record. Most of them were nurtured within pagan systems that were openly antagonistic to the knowledge of God, and who had labored over many centuries to darken, if not totally erase that knowledge altogether. Their verification is therefore all the more valuable.

    Japheth is considered the father of Indo-European people groups (several royal European genealogies confirm this). Japheth's 7th son, Tiras, was the progenitor of the Tiracians. Historians note they probably first settled in the area of Asia Minor (present day Turkey) about 1900 BC. The transfer of words through nations and languages is prevalent in every people group. Merenptah of Egypt, who reigned during the 13th century BC, provides us with what is so far our earliest reference to the people of Tiras, recording their name as the Tursha (or Tarusha), and referring to them as invaders from the north. Herodotus (425 BC Greek historian) wrote: "The Thracian people are the most numerous of the world; the Thracians have several names, according to their specific regions, but their habits are more or less the same...and only their chronic disunity prevented them from being the most powerful of all nations."
    History attests that they were indeed a most savage race, given over to a perpetual state of "tipsy excess", more likely to be in battle than laying in their beds. They are also described as a "ruddy and blue-eyed, people", fighting with their own tribal factions. In the 3rd century BC, the Thracians were noted as having numerous tribes that rarely united, most having their own kings. Thracian dress was well known. Several descriptions were given, including illustrations on Greek vase paintings. Basic dress was tunic, cloak, cap and boots. Thracian warriors carried a shield and spears, plus a small sword (dagger) as a secondary weapon. Their mode of dress and armaments continued with their descendents, the Vikings, though modified. Thracians are mentioned by many rulers in the region they lived. After the Greek victory over the Persians (449 BC), the Persian king Xerxes (486-465 BC) established for himself a large army among whose soldiers Herodotus mentions Thracians from northwest Asia Minor, who are described as follows:

    "The Thracians joined the expedition wearing fox caps, wearing long coats under their vivid colored capes. Their calf-high footwear was made of deerskin. They were equipped with spears, light shields and small daggers."
    Josephus (1st century AD Jewish & Roman historian) identifies them as the tribes who were known to the Romans as Thirasians, and to the Greeks as Thracians, whom they feared as marauding pirates. Dio Cassius, Roman historian in the 2nd century AD, wrote "let us not forget that a Trajan was a true-born Thracian."
    Tiras himself was worshipped by his descendants as Thuras (Thor), the god of war. The river Athyras was also named after him, and the ancient city of Troas (Troi, Troy - the Trajans or Trojans) perpetuates his name, as also does the Taunrus mountain range. Thracian lands stretched from southwestern Europe to Asia Minor, a vast area historically known as Thracia. The historical Thracian genealogical tree counts over 200 tribes which had several names, according to their specific regions. Some of their tribal names were Trajans, Etruscans, Dacians, Luwians, Ramantes, Pelasgians, Besins, Odrisi, Serdoi, Maidoi and Dentheletoi. The Trajans (Trojans) founded the city of Troy which existed approximately 2400 years (about 1900 BC to 500 AD), which was destroyed and rebuilt several times. Thousands of Trojan warriors left the city of Troy during the 11th century BC. They came north and captured land along the banks of the river Don (southwestern Russia), a major trade route. The locals named the Trojan conquerors the "Aes," meaning "Iron People," for their superior weaponry. The tribes of Trojan Aes would eventually move north, settling in present-day Scandinavia. The Aes or Aesar (plural), subsequently became known as the Svear, and then Swedes. Historians refer to the Aes people as "Thraco-Cimmerians" due to their Trojan ancestry. Other tribes of Thracians remained a culture in Asia Minor and southern Europe until the 5th century AD. Many present-day Bulgarians claim to be direct descendants of ancient Thracians (different from the Slavs who arrived that region in the 6th century AD).

    The name Tiras perpetuated through different languages, as in this list of names from Noah to the present-day Swedes.

    1. Noah
    2. Japheth
    3. Tiras
    4. Tarusha
    5. Thirasian
    6. Thracian
    7. Troi
    8. Trojan
    9. Aes
    10. Aesar
    11. Svear
    12. Svenonian
    13. Sverige
    14. Swede
    <---------------------4,000+ years--------------------->

    Japheth's first born son was Gomer. Gomer is perpetuated through the names of Gamir, Gimmer, Gomeria, Gotarna and Goth. The tribes of Gomer are mentioned by the Jews in the 7th century BC as the tribes that dwelt in the "uppermost parts of the north". The Assyrians in the 7th century referred to them as the Gimirraya. Other names used throughout history include Gimmerai, Crimea, Chomari, Cimmer, Cimmerian. Cimmerians populated areas of the north of the Caucasus & Black Sea in southern Russia. Linguistically they are usually regarded as Thracian, which suggests a close relationship. "Thraco-Cimmerian" remains of the 8th-7th century BC found in the southwestern Ukraine and in central Europe are associated with the Aes people.

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    Pėr: Kush ishin trakėt?

    postuar mė parė nga fegi: The historical Thracian genealogical tree counts over 200 tribes which had several names, according to their specific regions. Some of their tribal names were Trajans, Etruscans, Dacians, Luwians, Ramantes, Pelasgians, Besins, Odrisi, Serdoi, Maidoi and Dentheletoi. The Trajans (Trojans) founded the city of Troy which existed approximately 2400 years (about 1900 BC to 500 AD), which was destroyed and rebuilt several times. Thousands of Trojan warriors left the city of Troy during the 11th century BC. They came north and captured land along the banks of the river Don (southwestern Russia), a major trade route. The locals named the Trojan conquerors the "Aes," meaning "Iron People," for their superior weaponry. The tribes of Trojan Aes would eventually move north, settling in present-day Scandinavia. The Aes or Aesar (plural), subsequently became known as the Svear, and then Swedes. Historians refer to the Aes people as "Thraco-Cimmerians" due to their Trojan ancestry. Other tribes of Thracians remained a culture in Asia Minor and southern Europe until the 5th century AD. Many present-day Bulgarians claim to be direct descendants of ancient Thracians (different from the Slavs who arrived that region in the 6th century AD).

    Mendoj se e rėndėsihme ėshtė nė kėtė tem te njihemi edhe mė botimet nė gjuhėn shqipe dhe si i shikon sot lexuesi shqiptar trakėt dhe ilirėt...duhėt te pajtohėmi apo te kundershtojmi mendimet e autorve me nxjerrjen e tezave tė reja mbi periardhjen ilire-pellazge ?
    Ju thėmė te drejten se kjo teori ku sipas autorit nė Enigmma ku i nxjerrė ilirėt nga Turkmenstani mė ka tronditur dhe e kundershshtoj kėtė tezė, kurse pėr pellazgėt e trakėt dihet se edhe autor tjerė e thonź poashtu, mirėpo ti nxjerri ilirėt nga turkmenistani... me duket e pabesueshme ...nga i mori referancat autori se ilirėt erdhen nga viset e largźta te azisź, per mendimin tim, historianźt tanź duhej te regonin para se te botohej ky libėr nė gjuhźn shqipe ...me intereson tź di se a ka ndonjź reagim nga studiuest shqiptar nź gazeta apo ndonjź reagim sė paku ...mź duket e pa sakėt kjo tezė dhe aspakė nź interes te lexuesit tonė dhe sa janė lidhjet mes Trakve dhe popujve te Ukrainės ?....
    ..sė pari ta lexojmi Enigmen.....dhe ti japim mendimet tona pa ofendime ju lutemi...



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    Pėr: Kush ishin trakėt?

    "Historia sekulare dhe biblike"!!! per mua mjafto qe te mos vazdhoj me tutje

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    Pėr: Kush ishin trakėt?

    Citim Postuar mė parė nga MARGUS Lexo Postimin
    "Historia sekulare dhe biblike"!!! per mua mjafto qe te mos vazdhoj me tutje
    TRAKIA......DAKET.



    Kufijtė historik tė Trakės kanė ndryshuar., "Traki" pėr t'iu referuar tė gjithė territorin e cila vė nė veri tė Thesalisė te banuara nga trakasit, njė rajon i cili "nuk kishte kufij tė caktuar" dhe tė cilat me rajone tė tjera (si Maqedoni dhe madje edhe Scythia) janė shtuar. Nė njė burim tė lashtė, toka ishtė e ndarė nė "Azia, Libia, Europa dhe Thracia". Nga njohuritė e gjeografisė botėrore tė lashtesise “Grekėt” e zgjeruan,dhe termi erdhi nė jetė mė i kufizuar nė zbatimin e tij: Trakės iu caktuan tokat qe kufizohen nga Danubi nė veri, nga Deti Euxine (tė Detit tė Zi) nė lindje, nga Maqedonia veriore nė jug dhe nga tokat ilire ( dmth Iliri) nė perėndim. Kjo nė pėrgjithėsi pėrkoi me mbretėrinė Odrysiane trake, kufijtė e sė cilės kan ndryshuar nė kohė. Gjatė kėsaj kohe, veēanėrisht pas pushtimit tė Maqedonisė, kufiri i vjetėr i rajonit me Maqedoninė u zhvendos nga lumi Struma deri tek lumi Mesta. Kjo u perdor, dhe zgjati deri nė pushtimin romak. Tani e tutje, (klasike) Thrakė, i referohet vetėm traktati i tokės nė masė tė madhe qė mbulon tė njėjtėn hapėsirė, si rajon modern gjeografik.

    Mitologjia e lashtė u jep atyre njė paraardhės mitik, i quajtur Thrax, bir i luftės zoti Ares, i cili u tha tė banojnė nė Thrakė. Trakasit paraqitet nė Iliaden e Homerit si aleatė Trojan, tė udhėhequr nga Acamas dhe Peiros. Mė vonė nė Iliada, Rezus, njė mbret tjetėr trak, bėhet njė protagonist. Cisseus, babai i ligjshem i Antenorit te madh trojan, ėshtė dhėnė edhe si njė mbret trakas. Thraka homerike ishte e papėrcaktuar qartė, dhe shtrihej nga lumi Axios nė perėndim deri nė Detin e Zi( Hell-e-sponte) dhe nė lindje. Katalogu i Anijeve, pėrmend tre kontigjente tė ndara nga Trakia: trakasit e udhėhequr nga Acamas dhe Peiros, nga Aenus; Cicones dhe nga Euphemus, nga jugu Trakės, afėr Ismaros, dhe nga qyteti i Sestus, nė anėn (veriore) e trakes se Hellespontit , e cila ishte pjesė e kontigjentit tė udhėhequr nga Asius. Mitologjia antike ėshtė e mbushur me mbretėrit trak, duke pėrfshirė Diomede, Tereu, Lycurgu, Phineu, Tegyriu, Eumolpi, Polymnestori, Poltysi, dhe Oeagru (babai i Orfeut). Pėrveē stirpit qė Homeri i quan trakas, Thrakė te lashtė ishin dhe fise tė tjera tė shumta, tė tilla si Edonet, Bisaltae, Ciconet, dhe Bistonet.

    Thrakė, ėshtė pėrmendur edhe nė Metamorphosi i Ovidit nė episodin e Philomela, Procne, dhe Tereus. Tereus, mbreti i Trakės, qe epshet pas kunates se tij, Philomela. Ai e rrėmben ate,e mban rob, e pėrdhunon, dhe e poshteron. Philomela dhe motra e saj, Procne, komplotojn pėr tė marrė hak, duke e vrarė (ketu dhe i biri i Tereus dhe Procne) . Nė fundin e mitit, tė tre kthehen nė zogj. Trupat trake jan tė njohur pėr shoqėrimin e Aleksandrit te Madh, kur ai kaloi Hellespontin

    Trakasit nuk e quajne veten si tė tillė dhe “Traki” dhe “trakėt” janė thjesht emra dhėnė nga “greket”.Ata vetquheshin Daēii (ne shqip Daket).

    Ndarė nė fise tė veēanta, trakėt nuk arriten tė formonin organizime tė qėndrueshme politike, deri sa shteti Odrysian u themelua nė shekullin e 4. Ashtu si Ilirėt, fiset trake te rajoneve malore jan quajtur si me tradite “luftenxites” dhe luftarak, ndersa fise qe supozohet se ishin me paqėsore jetonin ne fusha ose ultesira. Jan zbuluar kohėt e fundit varre nė Bullgari qe tregojnė se kish shume mbretėr trakė ne rajone tė sundimit tė Trakės, me identitet tė dallueshėm trak kombėtar.Nje nga figurat udheheqese e dakeve ne revolten kunder pushtimit romak (Dacia Traiane) ishte Decebald,qe per shum vite arriti ti bente balle legjioneve romake.


    Nga mesi i shekullit 5, Perandoria Romake filloi tė shpėrbėhej, Thracia ra nga autoriteti i Romės nė duart e sundimtarėve te fiseve gjermanike. Me rėnien e Romės, Thracia u kthye nė njė territor fushė beteje pėr pjesėn mė tė mirė tė 1000 viteve tė ardhshme. Pasardhėsit lindore tė Perandorisė Romake nė Ballkan, Perandoria Bizantine, ruajtėn kontrollin mbi Trakė deri nė shekullin e 8, kur
    pjesa veriore dhe nė fund pothuajse i gjithė rajoni ishte pėrfshirė nė Perandorinė e parė bullgare. Bizanti rifitoi Trakėn nė fund tė shekullit 10.

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    Un mendoj se Thraker jan quajtur ne baz te emrave te fiseve ku jetojin,.....

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    Pėr: Kush ishin trakėt?

    Si ne, ne ditet e sotshme ndonje her qe thiremi si LLAPIAN,DRENICAK,PODRIMQAK,.....etj

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    Pėr: Kush ishin trakėt?

    Citim Postuar mė parė nga Fehmikaciu Lexo Postimin
    Si ne, ne ditet e sotshme ndonje her qe thiremi si LLAPIAN,DRENICAK,PODRIMQAK,.....etj
    ....e keni knaqur temen, nuk kemi qka shtojmi....Bravo !
    Askush nuk te pyt: ē'ka bere atedheu per ty por ē'ke bere ti per Atedheun ! - JFK

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    Pėr: Kush ishin trakėt?

    Kreksi argument per kete eshte nje harte,arkeologjike ku tregon per fiset thrake pshESI-FARA(PHARA),BASO-FARA,DARDA-FARAdmth,FARA E BESVE,FARA E MAIDEJVE(SPARTAKU QE KA LEKUNDUR TEMELET E PERANDORIS RROMAKE,KA QEN NGA FARA E MAIDEJVE),....

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    Pėr: Kush ishin trakėt?

    Fehmikaciu e shoh qe je antar i ri ne forum dhe mbase nuk i di rregullat por nuk mund te postosh 5 pergjigje nga nje rrjesht njera mbas tjetres. E ke bere ne shume tema dhe t'i kam bashkuar shkrimet. Nese ke qellim qe te arrish nje numer te caktuar shkrimesh, kjo eshte menyra e gabuar. Nese e ben thjesht nga padija atehere do te lutesha ta evitoje kete gje pasi po prish strukturen e temave dhe here tjeter te gjitha pergjigjet do te te fshihen.

    Faleminderit.

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