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Rina_87. The one who accused Americans of always being after someone. Geronimo, Osama....now Gaddafi.
I plead Guilty as Charged.
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Rina_87. Ai i cili akuzoi amerikanët për të qenë gjithmonë pasi dikush. Geronimo, Osama tani .... Gaddafi.
Lutem fajtor si akuzuar.
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s0ni po te citoj ty por po i drejtohem edhe FreeByrd.
nuk diskutohet ketu a i kemi strehuar apo jo hebrenjte. per kete gje nuk kemi dyshime... dihet qe i kemi strehuar.
por kjo nuk eshte arsyeja pse hebrenjte shpetuan.
edhe ne prishtine u strehuan nga familiet shqiptare, por u deportuan ne 44. jam i bindur qe edhe popuj te tjere strehuan hebrenj qe ne fund u deportuan.
hebrenjte qe u mikpriten ne shqiperi, ishin me me fat nese mund te themi...
ekziston nje bisede e dokumentuar mes shefit te gestapo-s dhe nje punonjesi te ministrise se jashtme te reich-ut te trete e fundvitit 1943.
aty diskutohet se cfare do bejne me hebrenjte ne ish territoret italiane (ne itali, greqi, shqiperi etj)...
flitet pak a shume se kur t'i kerkojne ketyre shteteve qe te dorezojne hebrenjte...
kur vie radha e shqiperise, thone praktikisht "e leme per ndonje here tjeter, se nuk eshte momenti i pershtatshem."
mirepo ky moment nuk ka ardhur kurre. nazistet nuk na i kane kerkuar kurre qe te dorezojme hebrenjte, ndersa prishtinasve PO.
nuk ka dokumente qe vertetojne se nazistet kane dashur te deportojne hebrenjte ne shqiperi. i kane dale pune me te rendesishme ne ate moment.
kjo eshte arsyeja se pse asnje hebre i strehuar ne shqiperi nuk perfundoi ne kampe perqendrimi.
p.s. do ishte pak irreale te mendonim qe nazistet nuk gjeten asnje hebre ne shqiperi? as edhe nje. e imagjinon? pse? aq mire i fshehem ne?
nuk eshte e drejte te deformohet historia per te fituar pike...
Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam
Admiral, mbreti Zog i pajisi me pasaporta shqiptare hebrenjte qe erdhen ne Shqiperi. (Mendohet qe edhe Einstein eshte nje nga ata qe moren pasaporte shqiptare) . Keshtu qe paten mundesi te largohen lirisht nga Shqiperia per ne Usa apo vende te tjera. Merita e njerezve te thjeshte eshte qe gjate kohes qe u pajisen me pasaporta shqiptare nuk ju dorezuan vullnetarisht asnje cifut gjermaneve. Ne Kosove nuk kishte shtet qe ti pajiste me pasaporta cifutet prandaj i gjeten lehte dhe u deportuan.
si the??? nuk koincidojne datat e dashur D&G. eshte totalisht e pamundur te kete ndodhur keshtu.
zogu u largua menjehere sa erdhi italia fashiste ne vitin 1939. atehere numri i hebrenjve ne shqiperi ishte i paperfillshem.
50-60 familie flitet te kene qene ne tere shqiperine. atyre i dha pasaporte zogu?
hebrenjte qe u strehuan ne shqiperi, erdhen pas ikjes se zogut. kjo gje dihet.
Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam
Ata hebrenjte vete e pranojne qe shqiptaret i kane strehuar dhe mbrojtur nga gjermanet, ky itaqi dhe disa tjere e mohojne.
Sa per bashkepunim me naziste ne te pakten nuk e kemi hedhur bomben atomike ne Hiroshime dhe Nagasaki, me ba eksperimente me njerez te gjalle. Edhe irlandezet kane qene bashkepunetor te forte te nazisteve, per ta fituar token e tyre nga anglezet, madje dhe shkiet, cetniket dhe ustashet, cdo vend e ka pase qeverine e vet kuislinge, se ne ate menyre e ka mbajtur dhe ka pushtuar Hitleri boten. Tash mos te me shesin p@rdha keta fallsifikatoret e hamomit. Kqyre ti qafekuqi i amerikes, Drazha Mihajlovici ka qene udheheqesi i cetnikeve dhe udheheqes ne qeverine naziste te hitlerit.
Ik tash shko meso historine se boll hongre m*t ti kalaveshi i huaj. futja tani google.
Ndryshuar për herë të fundit nga Rina_87 : 29-10-2011 më 19:38
Persekutimi i cifuteve nuk filloi ne 1939, kishte kohe ky muhabet dhe vazhdoi me qeverite e mepasshme shqiptare praktika e dhenies se pasaportave e filluar ne kohen e Zogut. Kam takuar cifute qe kane ardhur me pasaporta shqiptare ne USA deri ne 1944. I zoti e jep tellalli s'e shet i thone kesaj.si the??? nuk koincidojne datat e dashur D&G. eshte totalisht e pamundur te kete ndodhur keshtu.
zogu u largua menjehere sa erdhi italia fashiste ne vitin 1939. atehere numri i hebrenjve ne shqiperi ishte i paperfillshem.
50-60 familie flitet te kene qene ne tere shqiperine. atyre i dha pasaporte zogu?
hebrenjte qe u strehuan ne shqiperi, erdhen pas ikjes se zogut. kjo gje dihet.
Nuk jam shume e sigurt po kam pershtypjen qe gjate kohes ne mergim mbreti Zog ka vazhduar leshimin e pasaportave dhe funksiononte si qeveri ne mergim.
Ndryshuar për herë të fundit nga D&G Feminine : 29-10-2011 më 19:40
hebrenjte jane larguar nga shqiperia pas luftes (shumica derrmuese). periudhen e luftes e kane kaluar ne shqiperi. krto jane te gjitha te dokumentuara.
prandaj thuhet qe ne shqiperi, numri i hebrenjve ka qene me i madh pas luftes, se para luftes...
Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam
Paska Wikipedia gjithe ato info te reja. Ja edhe Einstein qe te thashe Admiral, e paska mare qe ne 1935 pasaporten shqiptare. Dmth nga Zogu! Dmth ka pas plot si ky qe s'kane qene banues te Shqiperise dhe jane pajisur me pasaporta shqiptare qe ne 1935 te pakten.
1900-1939
According to the Albanian census of 1930, there were only 204 Jews registered at that time in Albania. Albert Einstein took refuge in Albania for a few days in 1935 before continuing his journey to America with an Albanian passport. The official recognition of the Jewish community was granted on April 2, 1937, while at that time this community consisted in about 300 members. With the rise of Nazi Germany a number of German and Austrian Jews took refuge in Albania. Still in 1938 the Albanian Embassy in Berlin continued to issue visas to Jews, at a time when no other European country was willing to take them.[3] One of the major Albanologist Norbert Jokl asked for the Albanian citizenship which was granted to him immediately, but this couldn't save him from concentration camps.
[edit] World War II
Albania had about 200 Jews at the beginning of the war.[4] It subsequently became a safe haven for several hundreds of Jewish refugees from other countries.[5][6] At the Wannsee Conference in 1942, Adolf Eichmann, planner of the mass murder of Jews across Europe, estimated the number of Jews in Albania that were to be killed at 200.[7] Nevertheless, Jews in Albania remained at first unmolested both under Italian occupation and in the first months after the Italian collapse of September 1943. However, in April 1944, under German pressure, some 400 German and Austrian Jews who had taken refuge in Tirana and Durrës were first interned in Pristina (Kosovo) and then deported to Bergen-Belsen.[5] Still, at the end of the war, Albania had 2,000 Jews after the end of the WWII.[8][9] and it was one of the few countries in Europe to do so.
[edit] Communist era
Throughout Albania’s communist rule under the dictatorship of Enver Hoxha, the Jewish community was isolated from the Jewish world, though this does not reflect anti-Jewish measures. In order to forge sustainable national unity as well as the new socialism, Hoxha banned confessional loyalties across the religious spectrum. In this manner, the fate of the Jewish community was inextricably linked to the fates of the Albanian society as a whole.
All religion was strictly banned from the country. The Jewish population numbered around 2000 citizens.[4] After the fall of Communism, in 1991, nearly all the Jews of Albania emigrated to Israel and settled predominately in Tel Aviv.
[edit] Present Jews in Albania
Today, over 160 Jews live in Albania, most in the capital, Tirana. An old synagogue was discovered in the city of Saranda[10][11] and a new synagogue, Hechal Shlomo, just started providing services for the Jewish community in Tirana in December 2010. A synagogue remains in Vlorë, but is no longer in use. Also in December 2010, Rabbi Joel Kaplan was inaugurated as the first chief rabbi of Albania by the Prime Minister Sali Berisha and Chief Rabbi of Israel Shlomo Amar. A Jewish Community Centre was also inaugurated as Moshe Rabenu in Tirana.[12]
[edit] Notable Jews in Albania
Robert Shvarc translator
Ndryshuar për herë të fundit nga D&G Feminine : 29-10-2011 më 20:04
All right people lets stop fighting and read a bit of history I found online. FreeByrd you just needed to explain yourself better, your first implication was a little off putting.
Sources: World Jewish Congress
Link Ketu
Following World War I, the few remaining Jews in Albania, lived primarily in Koritsa. By 1930, the national census reported only 204 Jewish inhabitants in Albania. On April 2, 1937, the Jewish community was granted official recognition by the government. The largest Jewish populations were located in Kavaje and Vlora. Approximately, 600 Jews were living in Albania prior to World War II, 400 of whom were refugees. At the beginning of World War II, hundreds of Jews arrived in Albania seeking refuge from Nazi persecution in other regions of Europe.
In line with what D&G Feminine said about Mbreti Zog.
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WWII
There was little history of anti-Semitism in Albania between the local Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Most of the Albanian population was not hostile toward the Jews and helped to hide them during the war, especially when Italy and Germany occupied the country.
On April 7, 1939, Italy invaded and annexed Albania. Jews were exiled from the coastal port cities and moved to Albania’s interior. Several Austrian and German families took refuge in Tirana and Durazzo in 1939 in hope of making it eventually to the United States or South America. Many Jewish refugees also passed through Albania on their way to Palestine. These refugees were well treated by the Italian forces and by the local population. Jewish refugee families began to scatter throughout Albania and assimilate into society. Jewish children continued to attend school, but under false names and religions. Italians rejected the Final Solution and therefore did not implement anti-Jewish laws.
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We come to the part that Admiral was talking about;
Nevertheless, many Albanians joined the SS Division “Skanderbeg.” Some Jewish refugees were eventually placed in a transit camp in Kavaje, and from there sent to Italy. At one point, nearly 200 Jews were placed in the Kavaje camp. Some Albanian officials tried to rescue these Jews of Kavaje, by issuing identity papers to hide them in the capital Tirana.
In the spring of 1941, with the fall of Yugoslavia, the Kosovo province was annexed to Albania creating Greater Albania. Many Jewish families in the newly occupied territories of Greater Albania were placed in the internment prison in Pristina, Yugoslavia. About 100 Jewish men and their families from Pristina prison were taken to Berat. Once in Berat, many of these Jewish refugees were protected by local Albanians. Upon Germany’s demand, Jewish refugees being held in the Pristina prison in the annexed territory of Yugoslavia were handed over to German forces. These refugees were then shipped to Belgrade and put to death.
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Germany reconquered the territory from Italy in September 1943. In early 1944, the Gestapo forced all Jews in Tirana to register with the German officials. Consequently, many Jews fled to supportive Albanian villages outside of the cities. When the Germans demanded a list of Jewish families living in Albania, the officials refused to disclose the information; instead the Albanians forewarned the Jews.
In April 1944, 300 Jews were placed in the Pristina prison, mainly refugees in Kosovo, followed by a few hundred more within the next months. Ultimately, 400 of these Jews were transported to Bergen-Belsen in the summer of 1944, where only 100 people survived.
Between 1941 and 1944, nearly 600 Jews from Greater Albania were sent to their deaths in various concentration camps around Europe. It is for this reason that many historians disagree over the role of Albanians in the Holocaust. While Albanians may have attempted to rescue the Jews in Albania proper, the government was aware of the roundup and deportation of Jews from the Kosovo region.
Albanian communist leader, Enver Hoxha during a military parade celebrating the liberation of Tirana.
After 1944, the Italians and Germans agreed to place much of the Yugoslavian territory under the authority of Albania. Many Jews from Serbia, Greece, and Croatia fled to this territory. On December 29, 1944, Tirana was liberated from German occupation.
Postwar Albania
Throughout Albania’s communist period under the dictatorship of Enver Hoxha, the Jewish community was isolated from the Jewish world. All religion was strictly banned from the country. The Jewish population numbered between 200-300 citizens. After the fall of Communism, in 1991, nearly all the Jews of Albania were airlifted to Israel and settled predominately in Tel Aviv.
Admiral, me gjithe ate shkrimin tend prap nuk ishe i mundur te mohoje cfare beri populli shqiptar per hebrenjte. Nuk merr njeri persiper te mbroj te huaj kot per qejf sic bem ne. Me sa di une kete ngjarje e ben te madhe vete hebrenjte dhe jo ne shqiptaret. Te pakten une nga te huajt e kam degjuar kete histori!!!
In my opinion: DG Feminine's view point is a lot more like it than yours.
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