Ku gjindet Kulla e Oroshit te Kanunit gjitheshqiptar?

[Baptist]

Urosh, por edhe Ur-ate.

Ur-ata eshte nje rrenje thellesisht e rendesishme shqiptare qe lidhet me Ur-en ne forme Harkore, pra me H-Arkun, Arch, Archibishop etj.

Nga ana tjeter Ur* kemi edhe Uran, Uranus, Urus, Urs, Arush, Ari, Fl-OR-i.


Ps. Shkurtimisht me prapashtesen -*OK

mac-ok
camarr-ok
mal-ok
t-ok
fl-ok
ul-ok

[Baptist]

Tani qe kemi arritur deri ketu, fjala origjinale eshte Or:os. Shqiptimi Urosh eshte transformim sllav. Dhe nuk ben te cuditemi aspak se eshte shkembyer si fjale edhe me fqinjet sllave. Prandaj une mbetem prane definimit qe i dhash me siper. Orkullit ose derivatit qe perfitoi ne greqishte si Mal.

Ku gjindet Kulla e Oroshit eshte vetem e para nder pyetjet e papergjegjura ne vargun e pyetjeve me fundamentale per Identitetin tone Kombetar. Kjo eshte e tmerrshme!

Ne Historine Shqiptare mungojne pergjegjet si:

Ku gjindet varri i Skenderbeut? [Qe do te duhej te ishte teme ne vete]

Ku gjindet varri i Lekes III dhe IV? [Qe do te duhej te ishte teme ne vete]

Keto ne menyre organike jane te lidhura edhe me pyetjen kryesore te kesaj teme : Ku gjindet Kulla e Orokut?

[Baptist]

Nashti ti Bamke mo na ngaterro historine e shkruar te Shqiperise ne kete mesele. Aty te thuhet e zeze permbi te bardhe qe varri i Skenderbeut qe ne Lis (Lezhe). Turqte e grabitne dhe i varen kockate e tij ne qafe si hajmali per tu rojtur pe nga syri keq i shqipove. Qe atehere e kendejza, syu i keq u qojt hajmali pellazge!

Pa po nga kush po pret te te deftenje mbi varrin e Lekave, me sakte te Pirrove te Maqedonise? 2/3 e Shqiptareve te japin garanci greke qe Leket kane qene Greke. 2/3 e 1/3 se mbetur nuk e dine, e as qe duan ta dine ne se ka patur ndonje Leke ndonjehere, sidomos tani qe i ngaterrohet neper kembe me hyrjet ne Evrope, merine kufitare te grekeve, dhe biznesin privat. Pjesa e mbetur rreh ujen ne havan. Aq me shume kur ne keto varret e fundit, Greqia personalisht ka interes te dinje. Ja pershembull, (me duket andej nga 1994-95) kur ne kishme hall te vetem te rrezonim Saline condra-grek me vule (bule)

New York Times/Monday (p. 8A) shkruante:

"CAIRO, Feb. 5 - A high-level archaeological team from the Greek Government, investigating claims that the tomb of Alexander the Great had been discovered in Egypt's western desert, visited the site today and said that they saw no evidence that the tomb had been found.
But Liana Souvaltzi, the archaeologist who announced last week that she had found the tomb outside the oasis of Siwa, said on Saturday: "I have no reservations. This is Alexander's tomb. There is no doubt."
She said the tomb was built in Macedonian style and that three tablets uncovered at the site provided the archaeological proof.
One of the tablets, she said, was written by Alexander's lieutenant. Ptolemy I, and affirmed a legend that Alexander had been poisoned. Another, she said, was left by the Roman emperor Trajan, who she said had paid his respects at the site.
But the Greek team, headed by the General Secretary of the Ministry of Culture, George Thomas, said it was unclear if the structure she was excavating was even a tomb.
He and members of the team said that the style of the complex was not, as Mrs. Souvaltzi said, Macedonian. And they said that the fragments of tablets they were shown did not support any of the translations she provided as proof of her discovery.
The team members also said that the fragment they saw were from the Roman period, some 300 years after the death of Alexander the Great.
"We are not sure if the complex is a tomb or temple," said Dr. Yanni Tzedakis, the Director of Antiquities for the Greek Government, "although there are elements of the Hellenistic period in the rubble. It appears, however, to be from a later period."
Mrs. Souvaltzi has refused to allow the visiting team to read her report on the excavations. She has also refused to brief the team on her work. She gave no reason for her refusal to cooperate with the Greek officials.
"The fact that the report on the excavations is not being shown to us is curious," Dr. Tzedakis said. "She should present photos and plans, along with details of the excavations to back up her claim. This is how it is done in Greece."
Abdel-Halim Nureddin, chairman of the Egyptian Antiquities
Organization, who said earlier in the week that he supported the claim by Mrs. Souvlatzi, now says he is less sure about the find.
"It is an important discovery," Mr. Noureddin said, "but we have to be a bit careful. We must wait for further study and a reconsideration of the text."
Mrs. Souvaltzi, who has an archaeological degree from the University of Athens, has been excavating in the area around Siwa, 50 miles east of the Libyan border, for the past four years.
The inscriptions on the tablets, broken into pieces, were translated by Mrs. Souvaltzi's husband, who has no formal archaeological training. He also provides the financing for her research.
Mrs. Souvaltzi, who says she has received mystical guidance in her research, in part from snakes, has claimed in the past that this structure was the tomb of Alexander. She wrote an article in an Egyptian magazine, published by Cairo University three years ago, saying that the same structure was the tomb of Alexander.
The report was dismissed at the time by senior archaeologists in Egypt and Greece.
The Greek team said that the fragments of tablets they were shown did not appear to support Mr. Souvaltzi's translations. They also said that they did not see the eight-pointed Macedonian star Mrs. Souvaltzi says she found on what she describes as the tomb.
"These inscriptions have nothing to do with the period of Ptolemy I," Mr. Tzedakis said, "and they are very well dated. We did not see any of the words they say were inscribed on the tablets, not Alexander, not Ptolemy, not even the word poison."
Alexander, King of Macedonia, led his armies out of Greece in 334 B.C. at the age of 22 and conquered an empire that covered much of Asia and the Middle East. Ancient texts indicate that, after his death in Babylon in 323 B.C. on a military campaign, his body was moved to Syria and then to Egypt. But his final burial place remains a mystery.
About 570 B.C., the Pharaoh Amasis built a temple in Siwa to the god Amun. The temple oracle was one of the most famous in antiquity and was famed for being able to answer difficult question.
Alexander went to Siwa in 332 B.C. to see the oracle. The oracle, according to legend, told Alexander he was divine and the son of Amun.”

[alibaba]

Personalisht nuk kam asnjë qëllim që t'i hadhë poshtë me çdo kusht teoritë e juaja dhe kjo temë është mjaft me vend, por dëshiroj që të ketë më shumë fakte ose nëse mungojnë këto atëherë le të ketë konkluzione të vlefshme nga vetë ju apo analiza të hollësishme.

Nuk mendoj se fjala Orosh duhet të lidhet medoemos me fjalën Orakull përderisa ende nuk është gjetur ndonjë dëshmi që flet se Orakulli dhe dhe Kreu Ekzekutiv i kanunit ishin e njëjta gjë. Fshati Orosh gjendet në Mirditë.





Do të ishte mirë të gjenim ndonjë informatë se kush ishin familje ekzekutive në kanun para Lekës.

[Baptist]

Ne Mirdite kemi, sic the vet, nje (1) fshat me emrin Orosh, por kjo nuk do te thote se Kulla e Orokut eshte fshati ne fjale.
Se duhet te lidhet me orakull, eshte rrjedhoje organike dhe gje e predestinuar para te gjitha fakteve tjera qe mund te gjejme ne nderkohe. Se shprehja Orakull esht bere sinonim per malin/malet ne gjuhen greke eshte poashtu e pashmangshme, sepse orakujt pellasg gjindeshin me thellesi te maleve/bjeshkeve rregullisht.
Cdo gje me te vertete e vjeter Kanunore ka origjine nga periudhat me te lashta te historise se civilizimit njerezor ne keto hapesira.

Te thuash se Kanunin e hartoi filiani apo fisteku, sic bejne disa, eshte joseriozitet i skajshem ndaj studimit te tij. Sepse ajo qe permban Kanuni eshte e pamundur te perpilohet/harmonizohet nga nje njeri i vetem, edhe ne qofte njeriu me gjenial qe la lindur ndonje here mbi kete bote.

Kanuni nuk ka autor sepse eshte pasuri, historike, tradicionale, shpirterore, kanunore, zakonore, doketore e shqiptareve qe shtrihet deri ne parahistori.
Kanuni eshte thjeshte nje trashegimi e starlashte e ketij kombi. Nje monument historik. Andaj sic kisha cekur, Skenderbeu dhe Leka ne mesin e te tjereve, kishin bere vetem ca ndryshime/shtremberime minore te Kanunit te gjalle ekzistues ne mbare shoqerine shqiptare qe i bindej Oroshit te shenjte, por nuk e kishin rishkruar.

Te paret pleqnar te proto-kanunor kan qene Tiresite. Ata ishin orakuj dhe besoj se ishin me origjine nga periudha e Uranit, si te tille mund te ken qene edhe Urithe. Sepse kishin qasje ne boten e nendheshme te vetmit mbi kete bote qe mund te shkonin dhe te ktheheshin nga Hadi te gjalle. Por per kete arsye ishin te verber. Dhe duhet te kene lidhje me urin.

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[Baptist]

Nashti ti Bamke mo na ngaterro historine e shkruar te Shqiperise ne kete mesele. Aty te thuhet e zeze permbi te bardhe qe varri i Skenderbeut qe ne Lis (Lezhe). Turqte e grabitne dhe i varen kockate e tij ne qafe si hajmali per tu rojtur pe nga syri keq i shqipove. Qe atehere e kendejza, syu i keq u qojt hajmali pellazge!

Bamke kjo eshte gojedhene te mos e quaj fantazi apo konstrukcion per te mbuluar te verteten.
Bamke nuk ishin shqiptaret aq te marre sa te varrosnin Skenderbeun ne nje vend publik per te cilin dinte e tere vegjlia. Te kujtohet varri i Pjeter Bogdanit, turqve iu dheshen hetues special per ta gjetur me ne fund te Prishtine. Ndoshta e di sa cfare bene me mbetjet e tij?

Skenderbeu eshte varrosur [logjikisht] ne ngej vend te fshehte ose te sigurt larg ndikimit ose pushtetit turk.

Prandaj une nuk besoj se Skenderbeu ishte varrosur vertete ne kishen e shenkollit. Ai si dhe gjithe princerit e larte shqiptar eshte varrosur atje ku ishte varrosur i ati i tij me diskrecion te papare.

[Baptist]

Harrova te them: si Leka si Gjergji, te dy jane varrosur ne brendesine e Kulles se Orokut.
Ceshtja eshte: Ku gjindet ajo?

[derjansi]

Harrova te them: si Leka si Gjergji, te dy jane varrosur ne brendesine e Kulles se Orokut.
Ceshtja eshte: Ku gjindet ajo?

Baptisto

pse thu qe kto te dy duhet te jen varros ne te njejtin ven?
Kur kto kan qon nga fise te ndryshme

[murik]

Jam komplet injorant rreth origjines se emrit Orosh,por me pelqen te besoj variantin e Baptistit, pra ne zanafille si Orakull=Orak=Orok=Orosh.Te tjerat i ka shpjegu Baptisti me nje llogjike qe ndiqet sot, duke kombinuar gjuhen e vendit ku ndodhet "objekti",funksionin e "objektit" etj...

[alibaba]

Unë nuk kuptoj se kush quhet me emrin Orok? Është sinonim i Oroshit apo ndonjë vendbanim apo çfarë? Kush e ka quajtur me emrin Orok?

Baptist në hartën që solla unë, në jug të Oroshit është një krahinë tjetër që quhet Selitë, mos ka lidhje me Selene (perëndesha selene), apo me Seli ("selia e shenjtë")? Me sa kam dëgjuar kjo krahinë përmendet në kohëra të lashta.