Prejardhja shqipe e miteve ballkano-jugore dhe shpjegimi.

[Akili-A]

Studiuesit duhet të gjejnë diçka më shumë se qç po gjejmë ne nëse i thonë vetes studiuesë.
Fakte ke mjaft, vetëm shiqoi.
Grekët nuk kanë ekzistu në kohën mitologjike. Askund nuk përmenden grekërit në kohën e luftës së trojës, as grekërit as helenët.

Lufta e trojes i perket qyteterimit MYKENIAN.......(ne peloponezin e sotem)...
emrat e kombeve jane nderruar gjithmone...(edhe shqiptaret nuk quheshin shqiptare)......
E megjithate keto nuk kane ndonje rendesi te madhe.......

Greket e lashte thoshin......Athinas,nuk eshte ai qe lind vetem ne athine por ai qe beson te zotet e athines.......

Pra me pak fjale.....une per shembull jam "kinez" por kam perqafuar te gjitha parimet e tradites se lashte greke, atehere une behem grek...sepse nuk ruaj asgje nga traditat e popullit kinez.(ato tashme jane te huaja per mua)...

Dua te them se nuk eshte gjaku ai qe percon kulturen dhe traditen,por mendja.(edukimi dhe mentaliteti)..sepse sa per gjak,jemi edhe ne shqiptaret shume te perzier....nga ca analiza DNA qe jane bere te shqiptaret (si dhe shume popuj te tjere) dalim se jemi te perbere nga 4-5 raca te ndryshme.....(qe nga libani e deri ne rusi e norvegji)

[alibaba]

Lufta e trojes i perket qyteterimit MYKENIAN.......(ne peloponezin e sotem)...

Do e hapësh një temë të re në lidhje me këtë, sepse nuk e kam mendjen të shkruaj këtu??

Ato tjerat që ke shkruar janë jashtë teme.

[DAJO]

Nje teme qe te pakten ne formulim eshte faktkerkuese do qe ne radhe te pare ne te , te sillen fakte dhe shpjegime per te mesuar dhe dikush qe nuk ka kohe ,mundesi ose nivel per t'i shpjeguar ato .
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arben - ar-ben(bere nje gje te cmueshme)
artan - ar-tan (gje e cmueshme eshte e jona)
argjend- e thot vete fjala
arber vjen nga fjala arben
arian - raca e famshe njerzore( ar - jan ) dmth jan te cmueshem
artur - ar - thur(mbahet si emer pagan por eshte pellasge se kuptimin e thot vete fjala)
athina(qytet) - e thena nga zotet tane, mitologjia
beslan(qytet ne rusi) - besen - lan
malsherbese(ne france) - frengjisht nuk besoj te kete kuptim
basket(fiset ne spanje) - bashket - rrine bashk
jezus(zoti) - je zeus
zeus - zeri - tingulli
aferdita - e kuptoni kete
parajsa - vjen nga fjala paradhisos ne greqisht qe e ka marre e tere bota mirpo po ta shikojm mire parajsa eshte vendi ku jetonte zoti, dmth vete perpara zotit
para-dhies
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Me kete llogjike edhe makines ne anglisht mund t'i japim prejardhje nga shqipja ,edhe zonjes e zoterise ne greqisht gjithashtu.
Te me falni per nderhyrjen po m'u duk humor e jo gjuheshqipeteme.

[alibaba]

për ato që ke cituar nuk e di, por emrat e mitologjisë edhe janë shqip sepse përputhen që të gjitha:
-kuptimi i emrit
-natyra e perëndisë apo heroit
-identifikimi me perëndinë apo heroin shqiptar/ilir/pellazg

Dhe derisa përputhen që të tria këto fakte, është injorancë e madhe të thuash se nuk kanë lidhje emrat me shqip, ashtu siç i injoron Akili. Para dhe gjatë luftës së trojës përmenden Ilirët ,Thrakasit e përse nuk përmenden helenët?
Përse na u dashkan studiues për fjalë që janë plotësisht shqipe??
Fjalë që i kupton edhe fëmiu.



Normal tema është hapur enkas për mitologjinë.

[alibaba]

Pse more një temë kaq të rëndësishme e degradoni në këtë mënyrë?
S'iu vie turp pak?
Nuk jemi duke folë për ADN mor, këtu, është temë e ërndësishme për kombin dhe historinë tonë, leni këto pallavra me Krishtin me ADN e me thashe theme,

Tema ka të bëjë me mitologjinë e lashtë.

[Akili-A]

Na jep ndonje reference per kete.

reference per ke??????
se une shtrova dy tema...
1-kultura nuk percohet nga gjaku...
2-shqiptaret jane te perzier ne 4-5 raca te ndryshme...

[alibaba]

shqiptaret jane te perzier ne 4-5 raca te ndryshme...

Shqiptarët janë vetëm një racë:
http://www.forumishqiptar.com/showthread.php?t=61416

[alibaba]

Çfarë mendoni për këtë ngjashmëri:

1 Helenët -- Hel en -- Hylli ynë
2 Enhelej -- En Hel -- Ynë Hyll

[J-X]

Çfarë mendoni për këtë ngjashmëri:

1 Helenët -- Hel en -- Hylli ynë
2 Enhelej -- En Hel -- Ynë Hyll

per punen e helas qe qyhet sot greqia dhe vjen nga fjala helen mund te themi qe ka kuptimin e lart, vend i lart, malor.

ne skrapar ne shqiperi nuk thone e lart por e la veri dhe s nga mbrapa ne greqisht dhe del emri.

[Akili-A]

FHG_BASE: YSNPs (Semino et al. 2000)
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DNA HaplotypeDefinition Eu1-Eu21

Albanian
N=51
Eu3 2%
Eu4 21.6%
Eu7 19.6
Eu9 23.5%
Eu10 4%
Eu11 2%
Eu18 17.6
Eu19 9.8

October 08, 2003
Y chromosome haplogroup J
Y chromosome haplogroup J is associated with the expansion of the Neolithic economy from the Fertile Crescent . One of its subclades, Eu9 was found to be the best predictor for the distribution of Linear Pottery which marks the Neolithic expansion into Europe [1].

It's important to note that while J is of Near Eastern origin, it has two distinctive subclades, which were named Eu9 and Eu10 by Ornella Semino [2]. Eu9 is much more common in Europe than Eu10. In contrast, in Arabia, Eu10 is much more common than Eu9. This discovery led Nebel [3] to the conclusion that much of haplogroup J in North Africa is not of Neolithic origin, but rather introduced by Eu10 carrying Arabs, by noting that many North Africans shared haplotypes with Eu10-carriers from the Near East.

In [4], Nebel also concluded that Eu9 originated in the northern part of the Fertile Crescent, while Eu10 originated in the southern part. This is also borne out by the distribution of the two in several populations reported in [2,5,6] (*)

Here is the total frequency of haplogroup J in several populations:

Bedouin 0.656
Iraqi 0.583
Palestinian Arab 0.552
Syrian 0.45
Turkish 0.433
Ashkenazi Jewish 0.43
Lebanese 0.419
Muslim Kurdish 0.4
Kurdish Jewish 0.374
Georgian 0.365
Sephardic Jewish 0.282
Greek 0.278
Albanian 0.275
Italian 0.252
Macedonian 0.2
French 0.173
Sardinian 0.104
Andalusian 0.103

As we can see, Haplogroup J is most frequent in the Near East and decreases in frequency from it, as would be expected since it originated there.

Here are the frequencies of Eu9 and Eu10 in the same populations

Bedouin 0.031 0.625
Iraqi 0.252 0.331
Palestinian Arab 0.168 0.384
Syrian 0.15 0.3
Turkish 0.4 0.033
Ashkenazi Jewish 0.24 0.19
Lebanese 0.29 0.129
Muslim Kurdish 0.284 0.116
Kurdish Jewish 0.152 0.222
Georgian 0.333 0.032
Sephardic Jewish 0.154 0.128
Greek 0.251 0.027
Albanian 0.235 0.04
Italian 0.206 0.046
Macedonian 0.15 0.05
French 0.13 0.043
Sardinian 0.052 0.052
Andalusian 0.069 0.034

The Bedouin, in the great majority belong to Eu10, while e.g., the Georgians, from the North of the Fertile crescent belong primarily to Eu9. To gauge the relative importance of the two subclades in the various populations, I report the following index (frequency of Eu9)/frequency of J. The higher this index, the more a population is descended from the northern part of the Fertile Crescent:

Turkish 0.92
Georgian 0.91
Greek 0.9
Albanian 0.85
Italian 0.82
Macedonian 0.75
French 0.75
Muslim Kurdish 0.71
Lebanese 0.69
Andalusian 0.67
Ashkenazi Jewish 0.56
Sephardic Jewish 0.55
Sardinian 0.5
Iraqi 0.43
Kurdish Jewish 0.41
Syrian 0.33
Palestinian Arab 0.3
Bedouin 0.05


These results are in full agreement with history. Anatolians (Turks), Caucasians (Georgians), Balkan people (Greeks, Albanians), Italians, Frenchmen, are overhwelmingly descended from the northern part of the Fertile Crescent. Iraqis, Syrians are descended significantly from the southern part, reflecting their partly Arabian origins, although not as much as the Bedouin who are almost entirely of southern origin.

We must make two additional observations: Sardinians and Andalusians are somewhat divergent from other Europeans in terms of their distribution of Eu9 and Eu10 subclades. We shouldn't assume that this is necessarily true, since estimates of the lesser important subclades may not be accurate in the small samples. If, however, they turn out to be accurate, this may reflect a degree of Arab, Jewish, or Phoenician admixture in these populations. However, this is minimal, in the order of 5%., which is also the upper limit of Eu10 in all European populations (+)

It is striking that Muslim Kurds have more Eu9 than Eu10, while Kurdish Jews are the reverse. The former are Iranic, Indo-European speakers, while the latter are Semites. It will be very interesting to see what the frequencies of Eu9 and Eu10 are in the Indo-European Iranians, where haplogroup J reaches very high frequencies (~60% in the Zagros mountains [7]). Iranians were studied in [8], however only the marker defining Eu9 (M172) was typed. M172 had a frequency of about 25% in three groups from Iran. This together with the high frequency of M89 (31%-46%) may indicate that Iranians have intermediate ratio of Eu9/Eu10, although haplogroup G defined by M201 (which was also not typed) might also be included in the percentage of M89.

Indian J chromosomes also seem to belong largely to Eu9 according to [9] with a goodly frequency of ~14% in the Punjab.

J chromosomes are found as far as Mongolia [10]. Unfortunately, [10] didn't distinguish between Eu9 and Eu10. This would significantly elucidate whether these are to be associated with the spread of Islam, with Iranian tribes, or with early Neolithic farmers.

[1] King R. et al., 2002, Congruent distribution of Neolithic painted pottery and ceramic figurines with Y-chromosome lineages, Antiquity
[2] Semino et al. (2000) The genetic legacy of Paleolithic Homo sapiens sapiens in Extant Europeans: A Y Chromosome Perspective
[3] Nebel et al. (2002) Expansion of Arabian Tribes. Am J Hum Genet 70:1594-1596
[4] Nebel et al. (2001) Y Chromosomes of Jews and Middle Easterners. Am J Hum Genet 69:1095-1112
[5] Clinal patterns of human Y chromosomal diversity in continental Italy and Greece are dominated by drift and founder effects, Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution, Volume 28, Issue 3, September 2003, Pages 387-395
F. Di Giacomo et al.
[6] Y-chromosome and mtDNA polymorphisms in Iraq, a crossroad of the early human dispersal and of post-Neolithic migrations, Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution, Volume 28, Issue 3, September 2003, Pages 458-472
N. Al-Zahery et al.
[7] Quintana-Murci et al. (2001) Y Chromosomes in Southwestern Asia. Am J Hum Genet 68:537-542
[8] Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA. 2001 August 28; 98 (18): 10244–10249. The Eurasian Heartland: A continental perspective on Y-chromosome diversity
R. Spencer Wells et al.
[9] Kivisild et al. (2003) Origins of Indian Castes and Tribes. Am J Hum Genet 72:313-332
[10] Zerjal et al. (2002) Y-Chromosomal Insights into Central Asia. Am J Hum Genet 71:466-482

(*) Greek/Italian data are taken from the larger samples of [5] and not from those of [2], although the results are comparable
(+) Eu10 is not a Semitic marker, since it's quite possible that early agriculturalists that settled in Europe may have been a mix of Eu9 and Eu10 with the former being dominant.