Kush eshte Edit Durham?

[Rina_87]

Keta jeni ju, duke luftuar me sakica/sopata, me saça, me thika, me drunj e ca keni mund. plus dhe me terrnakopa loool




dhe te ngjyrosur si indiane me ngjyrat e luftes.

P.S merre ti me mend as floket si keni kreh, te pakten ti kishit bere gersheta si indianet lol

[EuroStar1]

Yes, there are differences between the Albanian and Indian tribes. When the Europeans first encountered the indigenous people of the United States they were living in the Stone Age while the Romans initially confronted the Albanian tribes living in the Iron Age culture. There was a vast gap between the lifestyles of the Horse Cultures of the Plains Indian tribes and the Eastern Woodland Indian tribes compared to the differences between Gheg and Tosk. Shockingly there is more genetic variation between the Nez Perce tribe of the Rocky Mountains and the Appalachian Mountains Cherokee tribe compared to the variation of the Scots and Armenians.

Here's the common ground shared by Native Americans and Albanians. Both were not unified divided into tribes that were invaded by a powerful Empire represented by a large, organized, technologically advanced military that viewed the indigenous people as savage, backward, uneducated people living in a culture without merit.. Both were targeted by a ruthless empire to be conquered and assimilated after destroying their language, religion and culture.

I don't see any difference between the plundering Comancheros,renegades that evolved from the destroyed Comanche Indian culture and the chaos in Albania after Xoxha giving rise to criminal gangs in Europe and the United States.

PS
I'm very glad the tribes I encountered in "High Albania" survived Xoxha's attempted extermination of their identities.

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FreeByrd


Systematic excavation of Albanian territory, especially after the Second World War, have almost succeeded in filling the large gap in our knowledge about prehistoric and ancient times.Research has revealed that Albania is a country with an ancient civilisation.

The first traces of man discovered so far on Albanian territory go back to the middle and late Palaeolithic period .This area ( stretching overall from 100,000 to 10,000 BC) is represented by findings along the shores of the Ionian sea and at the foot of Mt Dajti, near Tirane, in central Albania. These remains include tools made of microlithic flint, calcinous deposits and fossils of wild easts.

The discoveries made in the Neolithic sites are of particular interest. The Cakran settlement, situated in the southern coastal area, which belongs to middle Neolithic times (5000 BC). has brought to light remains of huts, either partially or totally buried in the ground, earthenware vases, decorated with painted motifs, anthropomorphic vases, stone tools. The Cakran civilisation is very similar to contemporary civilisations north of the Adriatic.

The Neolithic settlement discovered at Kamnik in the mountainous area of Kolonje, shows different characteristics. On a hillside, among the ruins of rectangular-based huts formed of two peaces, traces have been found of two ovens, intended for the firing of painted ceramics.

Of all the prehistoric settlements in Albania, the most important is that of Maliq, a locality situated on the Korce plateau. The northern section of the plateau, also called the plain of Maliq was even those early days submerged by the waters of a shallow lake. The excavations which have taken place there for several years have brought to light the remains of a prehistoric settlement, consisting of several superimposed layers. It is possible to deduce that human life appeared in the late Neolithic area (about 2700 BC). In the copper Age these areas had been covered with water, so inhabitants built their homes on platforms supported by piles.

Po deshe ndonje fjale katunarshe ta mesoj, po historin tone e ke veshtire ta mesosh dhe mbi te gjitha ta pranosh.......Bye bye

[EuroStar1]

Po te shkruaj dy fjale per Camerine per etnit Shqipetare dhe trojet tona te pushtuara, sepse e di qe ketu ju dhemb

Çameria geographically is situated on the to-day north-west Greece. This beautiful region, has a rich Albanian her5tage and it was only in the 1912 that it was annexed unfairly and unjustifiably from Greece. This was the aftermath of the decision of the great powers to give Çameria to Greece, just as the great powers had made similar decisions to give Kosova and other Albanian territories to Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro.

The word Çam is an evolution of the word "t'chiam" which is the name of an ancient river passing right through Çameria (The word T'chamis appears on many ancient Roman and even Hellenic maps, indicating that the word Chameria is older than the word Epirus, and it's used only by Albanians). Another branch of this river remains to be known to this day as the "lumi i kalamait" (Kalamait River - Childrens Rivier). What's most important is that everything about Çameria is Albanian in every sense of the word. The word Çameria has more of a topological meaning, but Çams have a very strong Albanian ethnicity, tradition and customs. Çameria has a very well-defined ethno-geographical meaning, which is strongly Albanian.

A large number of Çam population is situated on the seaside and goes up to the Gulf of Preveza. Another considerable number of towns and villages are situated on both sides of the river of "kalamait". The rest of of the Çam villages and towns are situated in more remote places and often on hills and mountains.

The Greek government has been very hostile toward Çams and the main reason is the fact that Çams have a very strong Albanian identity. Another reason of the Greek hostilities is the fact that Greeks inherited a very hostile policy towards us. During the period of time, from 1854 till 1877 the Albanians of Çameria resisted successfully the attacks from Greek "Andartes". During the WWI and WWII the greek troops attacked Çameria again. The (provisional) government of Vlora (Albania) responded by sending Albanian military troops to assist the Albanian population of Çameria , but the decision of the Ambassadors Conference assigned Çameria to Greece. As a result of this decision by the great powers, Greeks forces led by the hateful figure of N. Zervas launched attackers that ended up with many innocent Albanian locals killed.

To this day, we Çams in greece are described as bad people from an increasing "suffocating" Greek propaganda based on the fact that we refuse to be assimilated as it is the case with some of "Arvanites" in south and central Greece.

The today exact number of Albanians of Çameria in Greece is approx. one million people, taking into the account some relativly newly formed Çam villages and towns elsewhere in Greece..if all the number of Albanians in Çameria is added to the number of Arvanites in other areas of Greece, then the total number of Albanians in Greece is around 3.000.000 people. However only Albanians in Çameria call themselves real Shqiptars (Albanians). Arvanites elsewhere in Greece are under greater assimilating pressure from the Greek government and Anti-Albanian Greek circles.

This section is dedicated to hundreds of thousands of Albanians from the region of Chameria expelled by force, from the Greek forces in 1944 and residing now in the Republic of Albania and in the memory of 850,000 Cham Albanians sent to Turkey during the period between 1913-44.

During the summer of 1944, the neo-nazi forces led by Zervas attacked many villages and towns of Chameria and as a result 9,000 Albanians (including children, women and old folks) were killed indiscriminately. A considerable number of Albanians were expelled and live now in the Republic of Albania. The official number of those Albanian refugees from Chameria is between 150,000 and 300,000.

Today they have formed their own Albanian patriotic and cultural association based in Tirana and which is active right across Albania. Among other they are asking from the Greek government in Athens-Greece, to be repatriated and their lands and other assets be returned to them as well as compensations for the usage of the lands for the past 50 years. Also they are rallying for the opening of Albanian schools to the Albanians living in Chameria.

The policy of expulsion of Cham Albanians from Chameria had started earlier than 1944. Greeks as well as Serbs followed the same pattern in politics with respect to Albanians. Often they had signed documents with the Turkish government for the exchange of Muslims with Christians. During all this not a single Cham Albanian was asked! As a result of such policy around 850,000 Cham Albanians from Chameria were sent to Turkey, where they are settled in the region of Asia minor in Turkey.

Prior to WWI and WWII, the population in Çameria was around 93% Albanian, the rest were other ethnic groups such as Greeks, Vlachs, gypsies, etc.. On the 19th century, 80% of the Albanian population in Çameria was of Muslim Religion (the process of conversion to Islam started in the 18th century) and a 20% Christian Orthodox, however the first world war, found the the Albanian community as made up of 50% muslim and 50% orthodox believers (this shift happened in a matter of 70 years). After the world wars a fraction of the Muslim Populations was expelled by the Greek special forces, leaving intact the mainly orthodox Albanian population (50%) and a small fraction of molsims(13%) who by now mostly converted to orthodoxy to survive. The conversion back and forth from one religion to the other, before the World War I, was common among families!

However both Albanian religious communities were extremely close to each-other before the war and to this day, the Greek government has not managed to assimilate the Albanians of Çameria. The Albanian language is spoken indoors and outdoors as much as on everyday working places, but the Greek government with very little pressure from outside refuses to recognize Albanian minority in Greece and refuses to open schools on Albanian language.

The region is officially known as Epirus by the Greek government, but on the further north western corner of Greece, every single people knows the place as Çameria. Anyone from this region stating that he or she is a Çam, makes a political statement saying that he or she is an Albanian. That's why the Greek government doesn't know officially the region as Çameria. The heartland of Çameria is also called Thesprotia.

My own opinion is that this region has still an Albanian majority (since many people of other ethnic groups have emigrated away, which has compensated somehow for the displacement of some Albanians during WWI and WWII!) and all the Çams expelled unjustifiably from Greece are very welcomed by all the Albanian people here, there is a UN resolution which asks the Greek government to repatriate our brothers and sisters back to their homes, where they belong among the rest of us.

Mjafton me kaq

puc puc

[FreeByrd]

You've put a lot on my plate to digest. I want to discuss more about the Cam, the ancient civilization in Albanian and other matters but it will have to be addressed at a later date.

I want to share a passage in "High Albania" that absolutely blew my mind.

Here Edith Durham tells the reader about a discussion she had with some men from the Shala tribe.

The Padre of Abate, the church of Lower Shala, was away, but his servant put us up. In the evening we sat out under the trees, and discussed Shala affairs with them that came to see us. They seemed much pleased with their reputation for a high death-rate. Four men had been killed a few days before in a quarrel, but that, said some one, was nothing. "Sometimes we shoot a lot all in one day. Once," and he roared with laughter at the mere recollection, "twelve were killed for one of these"–he dropped a cartridge from his belt to illustrate his tale. A man missed a cartridge from his belt, or said he did–at any rate it was not there–and accused the man next him of having picked it up. He denied it. The first man shouted "Thief!" the second, "Liar!" The whole company present took sides and a battle ensued. "Every one was shooting and shouting, and when we left off there were twelve dead and a whole lot wounded. Oh no! we never found the cartridge. Very likely he had left it at home."

Unbelievable. They discussed a deadly shootout like we talk about "American Idol". What was even more amazing is when Edith Durham reported the wild Christian Toplana Tribe had double the annual death rate of the Shala and Mirdite !!

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Ju keni vënë shumë në pjatë time të tretet. Unë dua të diskutuar më shumë rreth Cam, civilizimin e lashtë në gjuhën shqipe dhe çështje të tjera, por ajo do të duhet të adresohen në një datë të mëvonshme.

Unë dua të ndaj një pasazh në "High Albania" që absolutisht shpërtheu mendjen time.

Këtu Edit Durham tregon lexuesit për një diskutim ajo kishte me disa burra nga fisi Shala.


Padre e ulet, kisha e Ulët Shala, ishte larg, por shërbëtori i tij vihet na. Në mbrëmje, ne u ul nga nën pemë, dhe diskutuan çështjet Shala me ata që erdhën për të na shohin. Ata dukej shumë i kënaqur me reputacionin e tyre për një-normë vdekje të lartë. Katër burra ishin vrarë disa ditë më parë në një grindje, por se, tha se disa një, nuk ishte asgjë. "Ndonjëherë ne kemi xhiruar një shumë të gjithë në një ditë. Pasi," dhe ai përfshinë me të qeshura në kujtesë të thjeshtë, "dymbëdhjetë u vranë për një nga këto"-ai ka rënë një fishek nga brezi i tij për të ilustruar tregimin e tij. Një burrë humbi një fishek nga brezi i tij, apo tha se ai e ka-në çdo rast ajo nuk ishte aty-dhe akuzuar njeri tjetër atë e ka zgjedhur atë. Ai e mohoi atë. Njeriu i parë bërtiti "Thief!" i dyti, "Liar!" Kompania gjithë të pranishëm morën anët dhe një betejë pasuan. "Çdo njëri u qitje dhe bërtasin, dhe kur ne e kemi lënë jashtë kishte dymbëdhjetë të vdekur dhe një tërësi shumë të plagosur. Oh jo! nuk kemi gjetur fishek. Ka shumë gjasa që ai e kishte lënë atë në shtëpi

Pabesueshme. Ata diskutuan një shkëmbim zjarri vdekjeprurës si ne flasim për "American Idol". Ajo që ishte edhe më mahnitëse është kur Edit Durham raportuar të egër të krishterë Toplana fis e kishte të dyfishtë vdekje vjetor si Shala dhe Mirdite!

[Rina_87]

Na ishte njehere wild wild west, ku njerezit cdo dite vriteshin si lepuj










P.S. Mos te flasim mandej per luften civile veri-jug

[FreeByrd]

Na ishte njehere wild wild west, ku njerezit cdo dite vriteshin si lepuj







P.S. Mos te flasim mandej per luften civile veri-jug

Here's the difference, Riina, and why I stand in awe of the Albanians more than the bad men of the American West. Our gun shooting wild men were outlaws, men that lived away from normal society. The Shala men were not outlwas but decent citizens in Albanian society. They were good husbands and fathers that respected the church and Priest. f only I could see a picture of the wild men that called themselves Toplana.

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Këtu është dallimi, Riina, dhe pse unë qëndroj në frikë e shqiptarëve më shumë se burrat e keqe e Perëndimit amerikan. Armë jonë qitje burra të egër ishin Outlaws, njerëzit që jetonin larg nga shoqëri normale. burrat Shala nuk ishin outlwas por qytetarë të denjë në shoqërinë shqiptare. Ata ishin burrat e mirë dhe që etërit e kishës respektuar dhe Prifti. f vetëm unë mund të shihni një foto të njerëzve të egër që e quanin veten Toplana.

[FreeByrd]

Rina_87
EuroStar1
thirsty

The Osama assassination connects with the discussion we had about Albanian and Indian tribes on the Edith Durham thread from the Arkeologji/antropologji Forum

The code name of Osama bin Laden was "Geronimo" and both men were hunted by the American government for approximately 10 years. Native Americans are not happy being associated with a mass murdering terrorist. i don't blame them. I would never put Osama bin Laden in the same league as Geronimo. We could never get to him and without the help of Apache scouts from other tribes we would have never forced his surrender.

That's Geronimo on the far right of the picture.

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Rina_87
EuroStar1
thirsty

Vrasjen e Osama lidhet me diskutimin e kemi pasur në lidhje me fiset shqiptare dhe indiane në fije Edith Durham nga / Forum Arkeologji antropologji

Emrin e koduar e Osama bin Laden është "Geronimo" dhe të dy burrat u ndoq nga qeveria amerikane për rreth 10 vjet. Gjuha amerikanët nuk janë të kënaqur duke u lidhur me një masë vrasjen e terrorist. unë nuk kam faj ata. Unë kurrë nuk do të vendos Osama Bin Laden në të njëjtën ligë si Geronimo. Ne kurrë nuk mund të merrni të tij dhe pa ndihmën e scouts Apache nga fise të tjera ne do të kemi detyruar kurrë dorëzimin e tij.

Kjo është Geronimo më shumë të drejtë e foto.

[FreeByrd]

"Në të vërtetë, shqiptar ka shumë nga atributet fizike të një kafshe të pre. Një mbahem në të, gjë të ashpër, të gjitha gilcë të vështira dhe si i përkulshëm si një panterë, ai lëviz me një hap i madh të gjatë, të lehtë, krejt në heshtje, për këmbët e tij janë të shod me sandale përpunueshëm lëkure me të cilën ai e mbërthen rock si ai ngjitet. Ai është i armatosur rëndë, dhe si ai ecën sytë e tij të prirur të shikojnë pa pushim për të armikut ai është gjithmonë duke pritur për të meet.There nuk është asgjë më karakteristike e burrave malit - në mënyrë aktive në kërkim sytë.......

Deri kodër apo kodër poshtë, mbi rrugët që janë më shumë si një lumë shtretër të thatë, ajo është e të gjithë të njëjtën të tij. Ai mban një ritëm edhe më, të shpejtë, dhe në roje të gjitha kohërave. Veshur me fort-montim-gear këmbë me shirita dhe me një pelerinë të shkurtër të zi, pamja e tij është
jashtëzakonisht mediseval, dhe ai duket se ka tepped drejt nga një afresk fiorentin. Brez e tij është e plotë të armëve-argjend montuar, ai twists i kuqërremë i tij mustaqe, dhe ai e admiron veten jashtëzakonisht. Ai ecën me një hap i madh gjatë kodrina, mbjelljen e këmbët e tij mjaft të sheshtë si një deve apo një elefant"



Edith Durham përshkruan njerëzit gege fisnor që jetojnë në fillim të viteve 1900

"Through the Land of the Serb" / "Nëpërmjet Toka e serb"

[fegi]

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[FreeByrd]

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Ndoshta ju duhet të shkojë në San Francisko.

Këtu ka një fis në ju do të përshtatet në mënyrë të përkryer.