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Ka fjale ma te pershtatshme per me e pershkru forumin, po hajt po e lam ashtu si thu ti: forum adoleshentash. N.q.s. nuk don me shkaterru nervat dhe me qene i qete, kujto fjalet e urta: "Qeni qe lehe s'te han" edhe "Qente le te lehin, karvani te shkoje perpara", edhe mos ta nin hiç. Keshtu je ne qetesi.
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Ah sa njeri human që je ti more ardi pogradeci ajdahoja...Mire ja u beri bushi ne afganistan e irak po ishte qe ishte ande ti fuste e nje vizite te gjithe atyre vendeve ande.
I'm muslim, don't panic please.. oh bloody sheeps
Jam human shume po si i thone ati llafit gjaku lahet me gjak !
Forgiving Islamic Terrorists is Gods Duty, Our Duty Is To arrange the Meeting
N. H. Schwarzkopf
Si bojn robt ketu, a thu se jane te pikum nga qielli. Te fliste ndonje danez, qe jane njerez me kulture, hajde de, por kur folin shqiptaret zorret e barkut dun me me dale. Po a e harrut, more trima, 97-en?! A e harrut se si shkaterrum vendin tone, a e harrut si e vrane shqiptaret vllai vllain, a e harrut si i shperhtym depot e u armatosem si idiote, a e harrut se si ne Veri thonin do na mbysin Tosket, e ne Jug thonin do na pushtojne maloket?...E kush me mire se ne shqiptaert mund ta dije psikologjine e turmes? Apo, si gjithmone, dhija e zgjebosur me bishtin perpjete...
Shqiptaret jane kombi i paradokseve.
Jane te perbuzur ne Evrope, por jane raciste!
Jane me te varferit ne Evrope, por flasin me perçmim per skamjen e te tjereve!
Une s'jam dakor me ato qe bejne arabet (djegje ambasade, vrasje e ndonje te pafajshmi etj.). S'jam dakord per dy arsye. E para, se nuk eshte e pranueshme. Dhe e dyta, se nuk me vjen mire qe u japin rastin njerezve si puna juaj te flisni sipas qejfit. Ama reagimet e shqiptareve te forumit jane.....lol. "hipokrizi skandaloze dhe fanatizem masiv psikopatesh islamike". Kushedi ç'kenaqesi intelektuale ndjen darwin kur arrin te thure togfjalesha me fjale kaq "te bukura"!....lol.
Thirrni mendjes edhe mos tregoni nivelin tuaj te ulte duke vrapuar per te share te tjeret. Lerjani atyre qe kane fyer dhe atyre qe jane fyer ta zgjidhin problemin midis vetes. Koha do i veje gjerat ne vend.
darwin qe thu lenia Zotit ofendimin, leria edhe ti Evropes ta mbroje lirine e fjales, lerja Danimarkes te mbroje ambasadat. Apo te duket vetja gjo me vlere kur flet kshu per çeshtje te rendesishme (liria e fjales e mbrojtur me gjak etj.)?
p.s. "psikopateve orientale" ky togfjalesh
Fjala orient dhe psikopat nuk mund te shkojne asnjehere bashke, perveçse per ndonje qe s'merr shume ere nga orienti, ose qe mban ere nga ajo tjetra! Shko lexo Geten, Romain Rolland etj. e pastaj hajde perdore orientin dhe psikoapt bashke...
Ndryshuar për herë të fundit nga [xeni] : 09-02-2006 më 06:00
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Those Danish Cartoons
Don't Be Fooled This Isn't an Issue of Islam versus Secularism
By ROBERT FISK
So now it's cartoons of the Prophet Mohamed with a bomb-shaped turban. Ambassadors are withdrawn from Denmark, Gulf nations clear their shelves of Danish produce, Gaza gunmen threaten the European Union. In Denmark, Fleming Rose, the "culture" editor of the pip-squeak newspaper which published these silly cartoons--last September, for heaven's sake--announces that we are witnessing a "clash of civilisations" between secular Western democracies and Islamic societies. This does prove, I suppose, that Danish journalists follow in the tradition of Hans Christian Anderson. Oh lordy, lordy. What we're witnessing is the childishness of civilisations.
So let's start off with the Department of Home Truths. This is not an issue of secularism versus Islam. For Muslims, the Prophet is the man who received divine words directly from God. We see our prophets as faintly historical figures, at odds with our high-tech human rights, almost cariacatures of themselves. The fact is that Muslims live their religion. We do not. They have kept their faith through innumerable historical vicissitudes. We have lost our faith ever since Matthew Arnold wrote about the sea's "long, withdrawing roar". That's why we talk about "the West versus Islam" rather than "Christians versus Islam"--because there aren't an awful lot of Christians left in Europe. There is no way we can get round this by setting up all the other world religions and asking why we are not allowed to make fun of Mohamed.
Besides, we can exercise our own hypocrisy over religious feelings. I happen to remember how, more than a decade ago, a film called The Last Temptation of Christ showed Jesus making love to a woman. In Paris, someone set fire to the cinema showing the movie, killing a young man. I also happen to remember a US university which invited me to give a lecture three years ago. I did. It was entitled "September 11, 2001: ask who did it but, for God's sake, don't ask why". When I arrived, I found that the university had deleted the phrase "for God's sake" because "we didn't want to offend certain sensibilities". Ah-ha, so we have "sensibilities" too.
In other words, while we claim that Muslims must be good secularists when it comes to free speech--or cheap cartoons--we can worry about adherents to our own precious religion just as much. I also enjoyed the pompous claims of European statesmen that they cannot control free speech or newspapers. This is also nonsense. Had that cartoon of the Prophet shown instead a chief rabbi with a bomb-shaped hat, we would have had "anti-Semitism" screamed into our ears--and rightly so--just as we often hear the Israelis complain about anti-Semitic cartoons in Egyptian newspapers.
Furthermore, in some European nations--France is one, Germany and Austria are among the others--it is forbidden by law to deny acts of genocide. In France, for example, it is illegal to say that the Jewish Holocaust or the Armenian Holocaust did not happen. So it is, in fact, impermissable to make certain statements in European nations. I'm still uncertain whether these laws attain their objectives; however much you may prescribe Holocaust denial, anti-Semites will always try to find a way round. We can hardly exercise our political restraints to prevent Holocaust deniers and then start screaming about secularism when we find that Muslims object to our provocative and insulting image of the Prophet.
For many Muslims, the "Islamic" reaction to this affair is an embarrassment. There is good reason to believe that Muslims would like to see some element of reform introduced to their religion. If this cartoon had advanced the cause of those who want to debate this issue, no-one would have minded. But it was clearly intended to be provocative. It was so outrageous that it only caused reaction.
And this is not a great time to heat up the old Samuel Huntingdon garbage about a "clash of civilisations". Iran now has a clerical government again. So, to all intents and purposes, does Iraq (which was not supposed to end up with a democratically elected clerical administration, but that's what happens when you topple dictators). In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood won 20 per cent of the seats in the recent parliamentary elections. Now we have Hamas in charge of "Palestine". There's a message here, isn't there? That America's policies--"regime change" in the Middle East--are not achieving their ends. These millions of voters were preferring Islam to the corrupt regimes which we imposed on them.
For the Danish cartoon to be dumped on top of this fire is dangerous indeed.
In any event, it's not about whether the Prophet should be pictured. The Koran does not forbid images of the Prophet even though millions of Muslims do. The problem is that these cartoons portrayed Mohamed as a bin Laden-type image of violence. They portrayed Islam as a violent religion. It is not. Or do we want to make it so?
aka ndonje burr ne kete ruzull tokesor qe ta zberthej kete fjali????
dhe human dhe kerkoka qe gjaku te lahet me gjak
Shi cfar robi sikur dhe pa tru te vogel te ishte nuk do shkruante keshtu
po eshte e vertet se ne avganistan jane bvra 5 veta para kampit se une jame puntor ne kampin dagram edhe shte e vertet edhe thuhet se ka ma shume ne kabull edhe ne pjes tjera ne avganistan kjo nuk eshte nje qe e mir per europen per botimet qi i kane bah ju pershendes
Per veten time mendoj se dicka fshihet pas kesaj .....sepse gazeta daneze e dinte shume mire se cdo mund te ndodhte mbas ketij publikimi po ashtu edhe te gjitha gazeta evropiane e dinin.Mendoj se liria e shtypit eshte dhe nje nga themelet e demokracise ....po ne kete bote qe po jetojme a ja vlente me te vertete te botoheshin keto ?Insistoj se dicka fshihet ,dicka i shtyn te gjitha keto .....dikush do te ndizet nje zjarr ,te ndezi dy bote ...
Ta zberthej mire e bukur une ska nevoje pse te ta zbertheje njeri tjeter. Ju vinte mire juve kur mijera veta u vrane pa patur asnje faj e pa u menduar dy here. Ku ishte humanizmi ketu ne kete pike ku humben jeten keta njerez. Ai eshte edhe humanizmi im per ato vendet qe ti i mbron kaq me shume zell te madh. Truri i vogel oe ndryshe cerebellum eshte pjesa e trurit qe kujdeset per ekuilibrin edhe balancen ma thuaj pak se cfare ka te beje kjo me te menduarit edhe te shkrojturit ne kete forum.
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Forgiving Islamic Terrorists is Gods Duty, Our Duty Is To arrange the Meeting
N. H. Schwarzkopf
Si flisni ne trajta te tilla absoulute si 'shqiptaret' dhe duket sikur mendoni se i shtoni vlera vetes kur 'zbulojni' ndonje teori te ralles duke thekesuar ca gjera eksentrike apo ekzotike qe mund ti kete populli shqiptar, dhe nuk do te haseshin ne asnje vend tjeter. Kjo nuk eshte kritike e shendoshe e fenomeve negative qe me te drejte duhen kritikuar, po me duket me shume nje inerci pa ndonje qellim te mirefillte.
Cili komb nuk paska paradokse? Cdo gje eshte e mbarsur me paradoksin e saj, le me 'kombet' qe te gjitha kane te metat dhe paradokset e tyre, mbase me shume se ne, pra me duket e kote ta kuptojme si nje fenomen shqiptar. Dhe te duket çudi pse jane njekohesisht te perbuzur dhe raciste...eshte gjeja me normale, perderisa eshte nje menyre per tu distancuar nga te tjeret ku venja ne pah e diferencave ben kete distancim. Shiko fqinjet tone te dashur jugore, jane pranuar ne KE aksidentalisht, dhe ju duhet te mbledhin therrimet qe lene shtetet e fuqishme europiane, por qe jane racistet me te rendomte ne europe. Dhe kujtojne se duke qene racist kundra njereze te thjeshte qe jane nje shenjester e lehte kujtojne se fitojne me shume rrespekt ne europe.
The important thing is not to stop questioning. -Albert Einstein
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