Miqësia shqiptaro-greke

[flory80]

I dashke te dyja tii . Nuk mund te gjeja gje nga ministria e jashtme e Greqise rreth kesaj ceshtjeje por ama e ndjej veten shume me ne avantazh se ajo pjese ketu qe pretendon se egziston akoma ligji i luftes me Greqine. Kjo per arsyen se e mbeshteta me fakte mosegzistencen e tij me informacionin e dhene me lart nga USA Department.

Nuk e di se sa informacion ke per kete ceshtje por problemi nuk eshte per lufte. Greket mbajne ne fuqi nje ligj te miruatuar ne vitin 1944 ku nuk ka te bej fare me Shqiperine por duke perdorur emrin e Shqiperise ata legjitimojne shpernguljen e popullsise Came nga tokat e tyre dhe popullimin e zones me Aziatiko-Helen (sepse Greke nuk ka ne Greqi) Per Republiken e Shqiperise nuk ka ndonje ndryshim ndermjet heqes apo mbajtjes se ligjit te luftes, por heqja e tij ka nje rendesi te vecante per Ceshtjen Kombetare sepse u jep te drejten Cameve te kthehen ne trojet e tyre, dhe pranimin e tyre si shtetas Greke me Kombesi Shqiptare. Keshtu qe une e shoh si shume te rendesishem heqjen e ligjit te luftes nga qeverria Greke

[brooklyn2007]

Nuk e di se sa informacion ke per kete ceshtje por problemi nuk eshte per lufte. Greket mbajne ne fuqi nje ligj te miruatuar ne vitin 1940 ku nuk ka te bej fare me Shqiperine por duke perdorur emrin e Shqiperise ata legjitimojne shpernguljen e popullsise Came nga tokat e tyre dhe popullimin e zones me Aziatiko-Helen (sepse Greke nuk ka ne Greqi) Per Republiken e Shqiperise nuk ka ndonje ndryshim ndermjet heqes apo mbajtjes se ligjit te luftes, por heqja e tij ka nje rendesi te vecante per Ceshtjen Kombetare sepse u jep te drejten Cameve te kthehen ne trojet e tyre, dhe pranimin e tyre si shtetas Greke me Kombesi Shqiptare. Keshtu qe une e shoh si shume te rendesishem heqjen e ligjit te luftes nga qeverria Greke

Po mire o vlla, dakort jam dhe une qe te mos kete dyshime persa i perket ligjit te luftes. Por kemi nje dokument te nenshkruar nga qeveria e Greqise ne 1987, qe e ka abroguar ligjin e luftes me Shqiperine. Nga ana tjeter kemi akuza nga nje pjese e pales shqiptare se ky ligj egziston sepse parlamenti grek se ka hequr. Une gjithashtu di qe ka nje traktakt miqesie midis Shqiperise dhe Greqise i nenshkruar ne 1996 nga qeveria e Sali Berishes. Tani lind pyetja. Si mund te kete ligj lufte midis dy shteteve kur ka nje traktakt te tille miqesie?!!!
Ne lidhje me camet. Qeveria shqiptare nga ana e saj nuk eshte ndjer per kete ceshtje. Pervec ndonje deklarate ketu apo atje te ndonje politikani shqiptar, asgje me teper nuk eshte bere. Nga ana e tyre shoqata Cameria do te bente mire sikur te hapte nje gjyq ne Strasburg per ceshjen e tyre pasi nga ana e Shqiperise nuk duket se ka gje ne terezi, edhe pse i takon kesaj te fundit te ngreje zerin ne menyre diplomatike dhe jo te heshte. Por duke qene se tema eshte per marredhjet miqesore midis dy vendeve tona do te ishte mire qe te punohej ne drejtim te zhvillimit te metejshem te tyre. Vetem nje marrdhenie e sinqerte midis dy vendeve do te mund te zgjidhte shume probleme te se shkuares dhe te ofroj nje te ardhme me te mire per brezat qe do vine. E di qe kjo nuk eshte dicka e lehte pasi ka shume mosbesim dhe urrejtje tek nje pjese e popullsise nga te dyja anet, por nese krijohet nje strategji nga klasa intelektuale dhe liberale e te dyja vendeve, atehere mund te arrijme rezultate te dukshme pozitive pas viteve pune.

[brooklyn2007]

A Greek-Albanian college



Greece has traditionally been an ‘educator of the people of the world,’ disseminating knowledge and ideas on which much of the Western world’s society and culture have been based. True to this tradition, the Greek educational group Filekpaideftiki Etaireia, which operates the reknowned Arsakeion schools, has opened the first Greek-Albanian college in Tirana in order to promote, through education, a deeper understanding between the peoples of the two countries.

The Arsakeion Greek-Albanian College of Tirana (founded in 1998) is the first school established by Filekpaideftiki Etaireia outside Greece and it will endeavor to become an important educational center in SE Europe, on a par with the other schools of the group. Although its current premises are five rented buildings in Tirana, the construction of a modern campus is already under way on the school-owned 100-acre property near Elbasan, a few miles from the Albanian capital. On campus, the lyceum, high school, primary school and kindergarten will each be housed in its own building, provided with all the necessary facilities, while separate buildings will house the theater, the library, the administration offices, the gym, the boarders’ dormitories and the teachers’ residences.

The primary aim of the Arsakeion College in Tirana is, by employing all the modern multicultural educational methods, to provide a high standard of education, which should promote a more profound understanding of both the Greek and the Albanian cultural backgrounds and should be instrumental in achieving a broader collaboration between the two countries, not only on the educational but also on the cultural level.

While no effort is being spared in the teaching of the Albanian curriculum, special attention has also been given to the teaching of the Greek language, by employing the most up-to-date methodology under the guidance of the chairman of Filekpaideftiki Etaireia, Professor G. Babiniotis. The results are truly impressive: The high standard of education and the enriched curriculum provided by the school, in conjunction with the constant increase in the number of pupils, have already made the name Arsakeion a point of reference not only in Albania and Greece, but also in the wider area of SE Europe.

There is no doubt that the benefit of an upgraded education will foster a better understanding between the people of Albania and Greece ― a fact widely recognized in Albania, not only by the Tirana society, which is eager to see its children matriculate from the Arsakeion College, but by the Albanian Ministry of Education as well. The Albanian school inspectors have been full of praise not only for the expert organization of the school, detailed annual planning, pioneering methods of teaching and the manner of evaluating the pupils, but also for the competence of the teaching staff and the abundance of educational material. They have further expressed admiration for the various activities and cultural events organized by the school, which appeal to both pupils and their parents, strengthening the spirit of friendship and the mutual appreciation between the two countries. The Arsakeion College, by respecting the national and cultural tradition of Albania while acquainting its pupils with aspects of Greek culture, has achieved a harmonious coexistence of the two in the minds of both its pupils and their families. In this respect, the Arsakeion College is not only a font of knowledge that will enhance the future possibilities of its pupils for a successful career but also a veritable cradle of friendship and untrammeled collaboration between the Albanian and the Greek people.
And this friendship and collaboration are more than obvious among the mixed teaching staff. The headmistress ― a well-respected academic ― is a Greek national, and she is seconded by a very skillful schoolmistress of Albanian origin. The teachers responsible for the Albanian courses are all Albanian nationals with degrees that comply with Albanian legislation and they have been hired after careful and detailed evaluation, while those responsible for the Greek courses are Greek nationals with degrees from Greek universities.
The Arsakeion College follows the time schedule and educational program of the rest of the Albanian schools, but there are extra courses in which Greek is taught as a second language, as well as several others ― literature, European civilization, democracy, geography, computer science and technology ― that have been adopted from the Greek educational program. The books pertaining to these courses are the same as those used in the Greek schools. Filekpaideftiki Etaireia supplements these with its own publications of corpora and reference books, providing its pupils with an even richer source of knowledge.

Every year Filekpaideftiki Etaireia organizes and hosts a visit to Greece for the pupils of the Arsakeion College, giving them a unique opportunity not only to view the classical sites but also to acquire a greater insight into Greek history and culture by attending special educational programs in museums and elsewhere ― an experience that prompts them to undertake further research in these fields.

Contact with other educational bodies has always been one of the priorities of the Arsakeion College. And to this end it is a fervent advocate of the ‘school fraternization’ institution, forging bonds of friendship with schools in remote areas, as well as with schools in Greece and the rest of the world ― bonds which are strengthened by exchanging hospitality and by joint cultural and athletic events.

Following the tradition established by the other Arsakeion schools and in order to broaden its pupils’ experience, the Arsakeion College organizes every year, with notable success, several cultural events ― exhibitions, conferences, symposia, seminars, lectures, tribute-paying to distinguished artists and writers ― in association with various cultural centers in Greece and other countries. Special attention is given to the celebration of the national days of both countries, as well as Christmas festivities and Mother’s Day, the organization of which is undertaken ― in an atmosphere of joyous creativity ― by the pupils themselves with the aid of their teachers.

As in all the other Arsakeion schools, the students are encouraged to form and to participate in societies and fraternities ― foreign languages, athletics, drama, music, the performing arts, the art of communication (orators’ society and journalism), astronomy, meteorology, the natural sciences, informatics, biology, the environment, mathematics, chess and creative thinking ― after school hours, the particular aim of these societies being to provide the students with fruitful albeit entertaining ways to spend their free time, to help them develop their skills and talents and to promote social contact and teamwork. The latter is nowhere more apparent than in the editing and presentation of several stylish publications ― journals, albums, Christmas cards, collections of essays, etc ― which are produced by the students in cooperation with the teaching staff and reveal the multitask activities of the school and its highly organized structure.
The Arsakeion College, by treating the national and cultural traditions of Albania with great respect, has achieved their harmonious coexistence with the Greek culture, making its pupils and their families more Europe-oriented, in the best interests of both their country and SE Europe in general.


http://www.bridge-mag.com/magazine/i...d=36&Itemid=37

[drity]

Por kemi nje dokument te nenshkruar nga qeveria e Greqise ne 1987, qe e ka abroguar ligjin e luftes me Shqiperine.

The State of War
Technically a state of war may still exist between Greece and Albania. The law in question, adopted in 1940 when Greece was invaded by Italian troops through Albania, was repealed by the Greek government in 1987 but never nullified by Greece’s parliament. In his speech at the UN General Assembly’s Millennium Summit in September 2000, President Meidani obliquely criticised Greece for maintaining a legal state of war with Albania. “We must ask ourselves”, he said, “can we arrive at an acceptable definition of good governance while members of the United Nations maintain a de jure declaration of war with other members? Certainly not.”
Albanian officials maintain that the law prevents Albanians from claiming property they owned in Greece prior to World War Two. Greek officials, however, counter that the state of war cannot be said to exist because it was lifted automatically in accordance with international law in 1947.46 This is clearly a matter that needs to be clarified, particularly in view of the questions raised about property rights.

http://www.unhcr.org/home/RSDCOI/3bd9739b2.pdf


absurd but true is that the Law on the war between Greece and Albania of 1940 is still in force. The Greek parliament has not changed it in decades for one reason: there has never been a majority in the Greek parliament sufficient to vote down this paradoxical Law, because of the Vorioepirus issue.

http://www.ceeol.com/aspx/getdocumen...8-7B2889944DBD

[brooklyn2007]

Drity do te pergjigjem shkurt. Ne rradhe te pare kjo qe po kerkon te debatosh ti eshte komplet jashte teme, por duke tu pergjigjur per here te fundit, ligji i luftes midis dy vendeve praktikisht nuk egziston. Se si e intrepretojne njera pale (greke) dhe se si e interpreton pala tjeter (shqiptare) anen juridike te nje ligji ai eshte komplet muhabet tjeter. Dhe per hir te se vertetes, ne menyre qe te sqarohet cdo gje rreth kesaj ceshtjeje, eshte i nevojshem rritja e bashkepunimit midis dy shteteve tona sikurse e kam permendur ne replikat paraardhese. Nese nuk ka per te pasur bashkepunim, atehere nuk ka per te pasur kurre sqarim dhe gjerat midis nesh do ngelen ne vend numero.

[Zemrushja]

ups, sorry, kjo qenka tema "A do te dashuroheshit me nje prostitute?" e une kujtova se ishte tema "Miqesia Shqiptaro-Greke"

Per momentin kujtova se kisha ngaterruar teme Ngordhc ishalla

[Hyj-Njeriu]

o bruklin o rob zoti,kush eshte qellimi i temes....qe bollano e shoke te financuar nga greket ,ngrene flamurin grek ne himare e ne ti themi hallall, jemi miq e shoke...pash zotin boll fole....

[lone_star]

Pa ma thuaj edhe nje here ti mua qellimin e kesaj teme se s'ma paska kap rradakja mire mua?

Miqesia midis grekeve e shqiptareve apo jo?
Si do kesh ti miqesi midis popujve kur fjalen 'alvanos' greket e perdorin me percmim? Apo kur prishen qellimisht kompjuterat ne doganen greke per pushuesit emigrante shqiptare? Apo kur ka ligj lufte akoma midis vendeve?

Ti do me thuash se jane me te mire se ne greket? Se paskan kulture mijevjecare me te vlefshme se tonen? Dhe prandaj duhet ti kemi ne miq ata kurse ata te na konsiderojne armiq e te bejne litar me zorret tona?

Epo turp per ty atehere!

Ti nuk je idealist qe beson sinqerisht ne miqesine midis dy kombeve, ti je nga ata shqiptare qe u vjen turp te thone se jane shqiptare ketu ne Amerike dhe genjejne e thone se jane greke. E njoh mire sojin tend se nuk jane te paket.

Dhe dopio turp te te vije per kete!

[brooklyn2007]

Pa ma thuaj edhe nje here ti mua qellimin e kesaj teme se s'ma paska kap rradakja mire mua?

Miqesia midis grekeve e shqiptareve apo jo?
Si do kesh ti miqesi midis popujve kur fjalen 'alvanos' greket e perdorin me percmim? Apo kur prishen qellimisht kompjuterat ne doganen greke per pushuesit emigrante shqiptare? Apo kur ka ligj lufte akoma midis vendeve?

Ti do me thuash se jane me te mire se ne greket? Se paskan kulture mijevjecare me te vlefshme se tonen? Dhe prandaj duhet ti kemi ne miq ata kurse ata te na konsiderojne armiq e te bejne litar me zorret tona?

Epo turp per ty atehere!

Ti nuk je idealist qe beson sinqerisht ne miqesine midis dy kombeve, ti je nga ata shqiptare qe u vjen turp te thone se jane shqiptare ketu ne Amerike dhe genjejne e thone se jane greke. E njoh mire sojin tend se nuk jane te paket.

Dhe dopio turp te te vije per kete!

Te shkretet ju, nuk e keni idene sa gjynaf me vjen Miqesia greko-shqiptare, TABUJA e jetes e nje pjese te shqiptareve. Ketu askush nuk po thote se Greqia dhe Shqiperia i kane pasur perhere vaj punet. Dihet qe ka probleme nga te dyja palet. Njehere e nje kohe ishin shqiptaret me te fuqishem dhe me siguri nje pjese e tyre abuzonin karshi popullit grek, sikurse sot jane greket me te fuqishem dhe qe nje pjese e tyre abuzon kundra popullit shqiptar. Pyetja eshte, persa kohe akoma do te vazhdoje kjo spirale marredheniesh midis dy kombeve tona?!!! Dhe turp atij qe s'eshte ne gjendje ti jape nje pergjigje te drejte dhe njerezore kesaj pyetjeje.

[lone_star]

Te shkretet ju, nuk e keni idene sa gjynaf me vjen Miqesia greko-shqiptare, TABUJA e jetes e nje pjese te shqiptareve. Ketu askush nuk po thote se Greqia dhe Shqiperia i kane pasur perhere vaj punet. Dihet qe ka probleme nga te dyja palet. Njehere e nje kohe ishin shqiptaret me te fuqishem dhe me siguri nje pjese e tyre abuzonin karshi popullit grek, sikurse sot jane greket me te fuqishem dhe qe nje pjese e tyre abuzon kundra popullit shqiptar. Pyetja eshte, persa kohe akoma do te vazhdoje kjo spirale marredheniesh midis dy kombeve tona?!!! Dhe turp atij qe s'eshte ne gjendje ti jape nje pergjigje te drejte dhe njerezore kesaj pyetjeje.

Kur kane abuzuar shqiptaret ndaj grekerve? Pse behesh vegel e grekerve ti? Apo qendron ajo qe thashe me lart? Mos u thua te tjereve se je grek ti vete?

Me thuaj specifikisht te lutem rastet e abuzimit shqiptar ndaj grekeve!

Dhe e dyta edhe une do ta doja me gjithe shpirt miqesine e bashkepunimin me popujt tane fqinje, shumica e shqiptareve te njejten gje duan. Ceshtja eshte kjo duhet te jete e ndersjellte.
Kur ne Gerrqi si masat popullore si dhe pushtetaret e tyre nuk e ndjejne kete pse duhet te perulemi ne e te zgjasim doren e miqesise? Dhe e kemi bere kete me qindra raste, e me thuaj cfare kemi perfituar? Asgje biles kemi humbur.

Greqia eshte i vetmi vend ne bote qe akoma ka pretendime territoriale ndaj Republikes se Shqiperise.