Iraku u sulmua per mbrojtjen e Israelit

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antares dhe darwin:

Dallimi im me ju eshte se besimi fetar nuk eshte arsye per te shtremberuar historine dhe te verteten.

Etiketimet si "sionist" mbajini per kallepin tuaj, dhe per komplekset e identitetit qe keni.

Prej ketyre kallepeve medioker ku mendimin ndryshe e zevendeson fyerja dhe kercenimi, prodhohen me shumice servile, spiuna, llafazane dhe sekretare partie po jo njerez te lire.

Nejse, have fun

po kjo ca ishte ??!!
as mbaj mend te te kem thene ndonjehere zionist ..??? Ca lidhje ka kjo me cfare po flitej njehere..

Une po te thoja popullsia eshte zvogeluar 6 here.. Ju po thoni "demokracia e vetme dhe fanari ndricues" i asaj pjese te botes.. Ai shtet nuk zbaton gjerat themelore, LIRITE DHE TE DREJTAT E INDIVIDIT, bile as nuk i diskuton fare.. Sepse fatkeqsisht i perkasin te tjereve keto te drejta.. !!

askush nuk po permend se si u perzune nga tokat!! kjo eshte abc e tensionit atje.. Ose nqs nuk duroni dot qe te tjeret te marrin ajo qe ka qene e tyre, sepse jane palestineze dhe nuk jane "te kulluar", atehere fjala "sekretaret e partise" eshte adresuar gabim

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Se pari, ki kujdes kur thua se muslimanet nuk e kane pasur ne dore palestinen por e kane PUSHTUAR duke vrare, pre e perdhunuar, grabitur popullsine vendase, shnderruan kisha e sinagoga ne xhamija. Kete per here te pare po e degjoj nga ti.

Per te mesuar se si eshte marre palestina duhet lexuar ne burimet ose te cifuteve ose te muslimaneve. E jo tja futesh nga mendja c'fare mendon mbare e prape. Ku e lexove se muslimanet paskan vrare e paskan perdhunuar???? E ke per detyre te ma thuash tani!!!

Si urdheron "BOSS". Ja tek e ke (marre nga crystalinks.com ) Meqe shqip s'te pelqen lexoje anglisht se une s'kam kohe te perkthej ty gjithe materialin:
Shenim: Natyrisht ti nuk pranon vec materialet e medresese po bota ka shume burime te pavaruara e jo vetem ato muslimane qe kerkon ti.
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The Byzantine Empire was the successor state to the Roman Empire . It was also called the Eastern or East Roman Empire.

Constantine's assumption of power as sole ruler of the Roman Empire wrought a transformation in the status of Christianity. No longer was it an outlawed and persecuted faith; in fact, it would soon become the Empire's official religion. These developments had a significant impact on Jerusalem. Churches were built on sites identified as sacred to Christianity, attracting large numbers of pilgrims from all corners of the Empire.

This process shaped Jerusalem both materially and spiritually. The city grew in size and population and was the focus of special attention from the authorities. Monks and clerics made Jerusalem their home; it became the main stay of Christian learning and spiritual creation.

By order of the Emperor Constantine and under the auspices of his mother, the Empress Helena the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and the Church of the Resurrection were built in Jerusalem. Another great church, erected on Mount Zion and known as the "Mother of Churches" - commemorated the site of the Last Supper and the "dormition" of Mary.

In the 5th century the Empress Eudocia settled in Jerusalem, she had the city's boundary extended southward and a wall built that encompassed Mount Zion and the Siloam Pool. She also built a church at the Siloam Pool and another north of the Damascus Gate, dedicated to St. Stephen.

Jerusalem's official status within the church hierarchy was also enhanced. Coinciding with the appointment of the city's bishop, Juvenal, as Patriarch, Jerusalem was made a patriarchate, joining Rome, Constantinople, Antioch and Alexandria.

During the 6th century the Cardo (the city's main thorough fare), which begins at the Damascus Gate, was extended southward. Near its southern extremity the Emperor Justinian erected a vast church, the Nea (new church), in honor of Mary, mother of God. For contemporary Christians Jerusalem was above all else the actual site of the great events of the Scriptures, the church of Jerusalem celebrated each holiday at its historic location. The holy places became the stage on which the Biblical tales were presented as plays, with the participation of worshippers and pilgrims.

In 614 the country fell to the Persians. The conquest of Jerusalem was a bloody affair in which thousands of inhabitants were massacred. Many churches, including the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, were destroyed and others were damaged. The sacred cross upon which Jesus was crucified was looted.


Fifteen years later, in 620, the Emperor Heraclius restored Byzantine rule and returned the cross to its place. But within a decade, in 638, Jerusalem surrendered again, this time to the forces of a rising power on the stage of history - the Muslim Arabs.

The building of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher - known to the Byzantines as the Church of the Resurrection (Anastasis) at the order of the Emperor Constantine probably took ten years (326-335). It was a complex of monumental structures, including a rotunda built over the tomb, a great basilica, and columned courtyards. According to a fourth-century Christian tradition, it was Constantine's mother Helena who found the true cross at this site.

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Si urdheron "BOSS". Ja tek e ke (marre nga crystalinks.com ) Meqe shqip s'te pelqen lexoje anglisht se une s'kam kohe te perkthej ty gjithe materialin:
Shenim: Natyrisht ti nuk pranon vec materialet e medresese po bota ka shume burime te pavaruara e jo vetem ato muslimane qe kerkon ti.
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In 614 the country fell to the Persians. The conquest of Jerusalem was a bloody affair in which thousands of inhabitants were massacred. Many churches, including the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, were destroyed and others were damaged. The sacred cross upon which Jesus was crucified was looted.


Fifteen years later, in 620, the Emperor Heraclius restored Byzantine rule and returned the cross to its place. But within a decade, in 638, Jerusalem surrendered again, this time to the forces of a rising power on the stage of history - the Muslim Arabs.

Po mire po Perset nuk jane muslimanet. Une po thoja per muslimanet.
Muslimanet nuk kane bere krime.

Dhe vazhdimi i shkrimit qe ti e ke lene pergjysem ja ku eshte. Eshte marre po nga http://www.crystalinks.com/jerusalem.html
Desha te nenvizoj rrjeshtat me te rendesishem por ama aty cdo fjale eshte per tu nenvizuar. Le te lexojme.

The Arab conquest of Jerusalem was bloodless. Tradition has it that the Patriarch Sophronios surrendered the city to Omar, the commander of the Arab forces. In return the Patriarch was granted a writ of privileges which guaranteed the right of Christians to maintain their holy places and pursue their customs unhindered. At the end of the 7th century Jerusalem was recognized as the third holiest city in Islam, after Mecca and Medina, and as a destination for pilgrimage. The Temple Mountwas identified by Muslims as the place Muhammed reached in his Night Voyage and from which he ascended to heaven.

During the first century of Islamic rule in Jerusalem, the Omayyad Dynasty ruled in the country. Abd Al-Malik ibn Al Marwan, a leading caliph of the dynasty, built the Dome of the Rock, inaugurated in 691 as one of the two symbols of Jerusalem in the eyes of Muslims. The other was Al-Aqsa mosque on the southern edge of the Temple Mount. South of the Temple Mount the Omayyads erected a network of palaces and public buildings extending over a broad area.

It was a shortlived efflorescence. The Omayyad Dynasty was wiped out and succeeded by the Abbasids, who transferred their capital from nearby Damascus to distant Baghdad and imposed a fanatical regime that was a far cry from the enlightened government of the Omayyads. Jerusalem's political and economic importance, which in part had derived from its proximity to the center of power, now declined. The population shrank and with it the size of the city.

Still, Jerusalem's importance as a religious center was not affected. Under Arab rule Jews were permitted to reside in the city. The Jewish community developed rapidly and soon claimed a central position among the communities of the region. The three monotheistic religions continued to perceive Jerusalem as a holy city, yearned for it and went on pilgrimage to the sacred sites within its walls.

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The Arab conquest of Jerusalem was bloodless. Tradition has it that the Patriarch Sophronios surrendered the city to Omar, the commander of the Arab forces.

Prape kjo nuk na shpjegon se cfare kerkonin muslimanet arabe qe e rrethuan dhe pushtuan (qofte edhe nepermjet dorezimit) kete qytet kristiano-hebraik ku nuk kishte kembe muslimani?

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Prape kjo nuk na shpjegon se cfare kerkonin muslimanet arabe qe e rrethuan dhe pushtuan (qofte edhe nepermjet dorezimit) kete qytet kristiano-hebraik ku nuk kishte kembe muslimani?

po mire, po pse duhet te shkruash ketu me ato ndjenja me te cilat ja mbush mendjen vetes dite e nate. Pse duhet ta besh te zeze historine e cila eshte e bardhe.

Ne fillim the se muslimanet vrane e prene, perdhunuan dhe grabiten, shkove e morre edhe referencen tende dhe nga ajo na prezantove disa paragrafe qe nuk kishin lidhje me temen. Ajo qe fole ti ishte pushtimi Pers. The se atje kane vrare e kane prere. Po mire a nuk te doli koha dhe te lexoje edhe pak paragrafe me poshte ku flitet, ndoshta jo per sjelljen e mire te muslimaneve, por te pakten te kishe folur edhe per nje pushtim tjeter te pergjakshem?

....On 15 July 1099 Jerusalem fell to the Crusaders after a five week siege and the victors proceeded to massacre the city's Muslims and Jews.....

...In 1187 Jerusalem fell to Saladin (Salah-al-Din ibn Ayyub), putting an end to the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem...

...Following Saladin's victory Jews returned to Jerusalem, and were joined by immigrants from the Maghreb, France and Yemen....

...Although the renewal of Jerusalem's Jewish community is attributed to the activity of Nahmanides, who arrived in the city in 1267, the community's true consolidation occured in the 15th and 16th centuries, with the influx of Jews who had been expelled from Spain....(kjo sepse spanjen e morren te krishteret)


Une nga kjo po kuptoj se nje njeri qe nuk di se c'fare flet gjithmone do te bjere ne gjendjen tende.

Me vjen shume keq per ty o "BOSS". Per ty dhe per llojin tend me vjen keq, por ama edhe me vjen inat sepse me keto shkrime, me keto genjeshtra po mundohesh te genjesh edhe shume te tjere.

Genjeshtar


ps. ne lidhje me sjelljen e muslimaneve me besimet e tjera mund te vazhdoni te lexoni te njejtin shkrim qe na referoi Labeati, per te cilin e falenderojme,

ose mund te lexoni c'faredo libri historie.

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Pyetja qe duhet te besh, eshte ajo tjetra. Kur ka qene ndonjehere Lindja e Mesme pa probleme?

Albo

Albo hidhi nje sy references se Labeatit.

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Si urdheron "BOSS". Ja tek e ke (marre nga crystalinks.com ) Meqe shqip s'te pelqen lexoje anglisht se une s'kam kohe te perkthej ty gjithe materialin:

Shenim: Natyrisht ti nuk pranon vec materialet e medresese po bota ka shume burime te pavaruara e jo vetem ato muslimane qe kerkon ti.
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Une pranoj cdo lloj materiali kompetent. Psh ky materiali i pavarur qe me dergove ti ishte shume i bukur.

[Labeati]

Ne fillim the se muslimanet vrane e prene, perdhunuan dhe grabiten, shkove e morre edhe referencen tende dhe nga ajo na prezantove disa paragrafe qe nuk kishin lidhje me temen. Ajo qe fole ti ishte pushtimi Pers. The se atje kane vrare e kane prere. Po mire a nuk te doli koha dhe te lexoje edhe pak paragrafe me poshte ku flitet, ndoshta jo per sjelljen e mire te muslimaneve, por te pakten te kishe folur edhe per nje pushtim tjeter te pergjakshem?

Perset (iranianet) a nuk ishin muslimane?
Pushtimet e mepasshme jane pasoje e pushtimit musliman. Ende nuk kam marre pergjigje:

Cfare donin muslimanet "paqedashes" ne Jeruzalem, e me vone ne Kostandinopoje, Ballkan e Spanje?

Vertet hebrejte e Spanjes muslimane iken kur Spanja u cliruar nga pushtimi musliman, por kjo ndodhi per shkak se ata kishin lidhe interesat ekonomike me muslimanet dhe e dinin se do te humbnin pasurite etj, ashtu si muslimanet kishin pas grabite ato te krishtereve. Ky ishte ligji i luiftes per pasurine e armikut.
Por ti harron se edhe ne Spanjen katolike dhe gjithe Evropen kishte hebrej po aq sa edhe ne boten muslimane. Keta te fundit per shekuj zgjodhen te jetonin ne Europe dhe jo vendet muslimane. 6 milion prej tyre u cfarosen ne luften e II boterore apo jo?

Me vjen shume keq per ty o "BOSS". Per ty dhe per llojin tend me vjen keq, por ama edhe me vjen inat sepse me keto shkrime, me keto genjeshtra po mundohesh te genjesh edhe shume te tjere.
Genjeshtar

Per cfare te genjeva? A mos valle kisha ndryshuar ndonje fjale nga ai linku qe te nisa dhe qe te pelqeu aq shume, kur e fillove historine nga rimarrja e 3 a 4 e Jeruzalemit dhe jo nga origjina e konfliktit?

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E di ti ca civilizimi ka arritur njerezimi gjate kohes qe arabet kane qene ne Spanje ndersa europianet s'dinin as te shkruanin emrin e tyre? Di gje per biblioteken e Cordobes, per zhvillimet ne letersi, filozofi, matematike etj etj, ndersa kristianet paqedashes gjakpires vrisnin cifute neper europe? Per dyert qe hapen arabet ndermjet perendimit dhe lindjes ndersa kristianet paqedashes gjakpires ekzekutonin shtriga dhe heretike?
I di mundesite qe i ka dhen Islami dijenise dhe zhvillimit nderkohe qe Triniteti ishte kthy ne diktator gjakpires nga qielli?
Prap s'jam aq naiv te them qe e mira ka ardhur nga qielli apo nga feja dhe sigurisht qe kane qene faktore politike strategjike ato qe kane ndikuar ne zhvillimin e vendeve arabe, po te pakten Islami ne ate kohe ka qene fe shumefish here me perparimtare se Kristianizmi.

Pastaj ca donin Kristianet paqedashes ne Amerike ne konvertimet me c'njerezore qe ka njoft historia? C'fare donin kristianet paqedashes deri ne Indonezi? Deri ne Afrike te veriut e te jugut ne masakrat me c'njerezore ne emer te fese?

Te krijojme nje shtet te indianeve te Amerikes ne New York dhe ne Rio de Janeiro dhe ti nxjerrim Amerikanet e veriut e te jugut nga shpiat, pastaj ti nxjerrim edhe sllavet nga Beogradi e te krijojme Ilirine e madhe, te nxjerrim austrialianet britanike nga Australia te krijojme republiken e indigjeneve, Turqit nga Azia e Vogel, Spanjollet nga vendet baske, Anglezet nga Irlanda e Veriut, barbaret nga tokat e perandorise romake, dhe te krijojme New World Order sipas teje. Njerez me fiksime...

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Perset (iranianet) a nuk ishin muslimane?

Pushtimet e mepasshme jane pasoje e pushtimit musliman. Ende nuk kam marre pergjigje:

Cfare donin muslimanet "paqedashes" ne Jeruzalem, e me vone ne Kostandinopoje, Ballkan e Spanje?

Vertet hebrejte e Spanjes muslimane iken kur Spanja u cliruar nga pushtimi musliman, por kjo ndodhi per shkak se ata kishin lidhe interesat ekonomike me muslimanet dhe e dinin se do te humbnin pasurite etj, ashtu si muslimanet kishin pas grabite ato te krishtereve. Ky ishte ligji i luiftes per pasurine e armikut.
Por ti harron se edhe ne Spanjen katolike dhe gjithe Evropen kishte hebrej po aq sa edhe ne boten muslimane. Keta te fundit per shekuj zgjodhen te jetonin ne Europe dhe jo vendet muslimane. 6 milion prej tyre u cfarosen ne luften e II boterore apo jo?


Per cfare te genjeva? A mos valle kisha ndryshuar ndonje fjale nga ai linku qe te nisa dhe qe te pelqeu aq shume, kur e fillove historine nga rimarrja e 3 a 4 e Jeruzalemit dhe jo nga origjina e konfliktit?

Si ore iken cifutet per interesa ekonomike me muslimanet. Ata iken se nuk donin te futeshin nen shpaten e te krishtereve. Dhe dihet fare mire c'fare kane bere atje.

Kjo duhet te jete teza jote por ama dije se eshte vetem qesharake.

Jo perset nuk ishin muslimane. Ata filluan te ktheheshin ne besimin islam nga shekulli i 8 dhe vazhdoi deri ne shekullin e 9-te.

Me lart ti ke thene se se muslimanet morren nje qytet kristiano-hebraik. Ai ishte qytet kristian. Hebraiket konsideroheshin qytetare te rrangut te trete atje. Dhe vetem pasi muslimanet vajten atje filloi tu degjohet zeri.

...Under Arab rule Jews were permitted to reside in the city. The Jewish community developed rapidly and soon claimed a central position among the communities of the region. The three monotheistic religions continued to perceive Jerusalem as a holy city, yearned for it and went on pilgrimage to the sacred sites within its walls...

Se pari ai vend u pushtua nga muslimanet sepse nderkohe qe ishte nje qytet i shenjte aty nuk kishte paqe. Besimet e tjera nuk ishin te lire te aplikonin fene e tyre.

Se dyti duhet permendur se edhe ne shkrimet e krishtere thuhet se celesat e Jeruzalemit do ti jepen nje kryetari qe e ka emrin me tre shkronja. Pra ata e dinin. Personi qe e rrethoi e kishte emrin Amr. Kur i thane Amrit se celsin do tja jepnin nje personi qe e ka emrin me tre shkronja ai tha une jam. Ai emer po u shkruajt ne arabisht shkruhet me kater shkronja. Prandaj prifterinjte nuk pranuan. Atehere e kuptuan se ai ishte Omeri i Medines.

Se treti atje kishte shume padrejtesi. Edhe ne Jeruzalem te paret jetonin neper banesa te mbrojtura mire nga ushtria. Sepse kishin frike nga padrejtesite qe benin. Ne po te njejten kohe Omeri ndersa priste lajmet se c'fare ndodhe ai flinte i qete nen hije jashte qytetit te medines. Edhe kur kane ardhur delegacionet per te bere marreveshje kur e kane gjetur jashte qytetit duke fjetur nen nje hije kane thene: Ke udhehequr, ke treguar drejtesi dhe tani fle i qete pa pasur frike.

Ti dukesh i kalibrit te Isa Blumit i cili me shpifje e genjeshtra per njrez qe jetojne edhe sot mundohen te bejne emer.