Martesa në Islam

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[B]"i..in.Kurse ne muslimanet e pranojme jezusin si profet dhe inxhilin dhe teuratin si libra te Zotit pavarisht se nje pjese e tyre sot eshte ndryshuar.Pra me thuaj ku tregohen rregulla ne krishterim si te sillesh me muslimanet ose shenja pranimi te besimit te tyre.Kurse kurani ka shume sure qe flet per krishteret dh dispozitat qe jane ne lihj me to.
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O njeri ti mund te bucasesh tere diten qe feja muslimane eshte tolerante dhe une te besoj.Por ajo qe nuk me bind mua eshte se toleranca qe shfaqet ne kete rast eshte ne kundershtim te plote me rregullat e fese islame.Eshte ne kundershtim pasi edhe krishteret e kohes se te quajturit profet nuk besonin ne jezusin si muslimanet por besonin ne te si Zot.....gje qe ne islam eshte shirk dhe gje e cila e shkaterron ne baze familjen islame.Ketej burri shkon ne xhami e andej hanemja mbledh rraqet e shkon ti lutet jezusit e jo Zotit.Ne njerin cep te oxhakut qendron Kurani qe urdheron ne besimin e Zotit nje, e ne cepin tjeter qendron bibla "NE EMER TE ATIT BIRIT SHPIRTIT TE SHENJTE" dhe ne mes tyre qendron lirija ku simbolizohet me nje qese me prezervative dhe viagra qe perdorin femijet e ciftit.

hajde hajde..............

[Toro]

Po per martesat e myslimaneve transeksuale cfare thote Kurani?

[Labeati]

Shssh ta kisha sqaruar tek shkrimi me te zeze.
Martesa me ithtaret e librit(femra) lejohet sepse ato besojne ne profetet e zbritur prej Zotit

Po por nuk besojne aspak se Muhameti ishte profet dhe as Kuranin atehere si mendohet te jete martesa harmonike (me perjashtim te pjeses se seksit kur bindjet fetare lihen "mbas dere" perkohsisht")?

Ajeti i kuranit ta thashe duhet pare ne ckohe ka zbrit sepse nuk mund te marresh nje ajet dhe te pergjithesosh nje rregull te pergjithshem pa i ditur shkakun e zbritjes kohen etj .

Pra futja simbas qejfit dhe interesit. Neqoftese eshte shpallje e Zotit ajeti nuk ka te beje me kohen apo shkakun, apo problemet e vecanta te politikes apo gjendjes se arabeve ne ate kohe. Fjala e Zotit dihet te jete pak me universale mendoj une, aq me teper kur pretendohet se eshte komunikimi i fundit.

Pra mishi i derrit nuk lejohet te konsumohet nga muslimanet pavrisht se e ther ose e shet nje krishter por nese nje krishter shet mish vici dhe e ther ne gryke pa e mbytyr me korent ose metoda te tjera therjeje dhe njekohesisht permend emrin e Zotit gjate therjes(dhe jo jezusit) lejohet konsumimi i ketij mishi .

Po si i behet kur blen qofte apo hyn ne restorant, apo me mishin e importuar?
Mandej pse e keni marre kaq inat derrin more burre i dheut? C'te keqe ju ka bere i shkreti? Ne fakt muslimanet jane miqte me te mire te derrit sepse po te ishte per ta derrat do te jetonin te lumtur dhe pa friken e kasapit.
Ne fakt me duket se kete ndalim e keni kopjuar nga hebrejte si shume te tjera )perfshi edhe synetllekun).

[StormAngel]

Po per martesat e myslimaneve transeksuale cfare thote Kurani?

Nuk thote gje.

[Labeati]

Per muslimanet krishteret mund te zbatojne fene e tyre sepse ne kuran gjendet rregulla kur krishteret nuk obligohen me nderruar fene me zor

Historia flet pak ndryshe. Sulltan Mehmeti Kalifi i muslimaneve "padishahu" me 1478 u premtoi banoreve te rrethuar te Krujes te mos prekeshin po te dorzonin keshtjellen. Kur dolen jashte me pabesine tipike orientale i theri te gjithe banoret(meqe nuk pranuan konvertimin.

Ato duhet vetem te paguajne xhizen kur eshte halifati islam.Akoma e kesaj dite deshmojne per tolerancen islame kishat ne shqiperi dhe kishat ne stamboll.

Ne Kostandinopoje qytet 100% i krishter, pa asnje kokerr musliman brenda, kur e pushtuan Sulltani u lejoi 3 dite rresht dhjetra mijra muslimaneve aziatike te plackitnin, vidhnin, perdhunonin cfare te donin.
Ne vijim nga toleranca e madhe islame katedralja qindra vjecare shen Sofia u be xhami ashtu si dhe te gjitha kishat e tjera u bene xhamija ose objekte te tjera per turqit me perjashtim te nje kishe te vetme.

Ne Shqiperi, mbas pushtimit turk shumica e kishave u rrenuan apo u kthyen ne xhami nga pushtuesit perfshi ato te Krujes, Shkodres dhe katedralja e shen Kollit ne Lezhe ku si fillim u dhunua varri i Gjergj Kastriotit.
Me ligj te krishteret s'kishin te drejte as te ndertonin as te riparonin kishat e tyre, nderkohe qe xhamijat ngriheshin per cdo rrugice.

Kishat qe mbijetuan dhe me pas u ringriten ne me te shumten te paguara me rryshfete ne ar per veziret e pashallaret, nuk jane aspak fryt i tolerances islame por i mbijeteses se popullsive te krishtera dhe ndryshimit te kushteve politike e degradimit te shtetit islamik.

Kurse krishterimi nuk e pranon kuranin fare as profetin Muhamed a.s .Kjo gje u pa ne spanje ku i vrane gjithe muslimanet po keshtu dhe xhamiat u prishen po keshtu nese shikon sot ne greqi ska nje xhami.Po keshtu ne sicili ka pas muslimane.

Ne fillim na shpjego se cfare donin muslimanet ne Spanje, pse e pushtuan ate vend pa i ftuar kush dhe ku banoret vendas i detyruan te arratisen ose te konvertohen.
Eshte shume e cuditshme me ju ithtaret e Kuranit se pushtoni nje vend, dhe automatikisht e quani toke muslimane, dhe kur vjen i zoti t'ju nxjerre jashte ju duket habi e shpallni xhihadin. Atehere nje shqelm per b... edhe marrsh ne dunat e Saharase.
Tashti nje pyetje e fundit, Shtetet e krishtera kane pase koloni ne Afrike, disa prej te cilave muslimane si Algjeria, Maroku etj. Me thuaj ne cilen prej tyre ju prishen apo ndaluan xhamijat? Atehere del se kane qene shume tolerante simbas logjikes tende.
Nese muslimanet jane kaq tolerante pse nuk lejojne kisha ne Arabi Saudite apo Iran etj kur i kane sa te duan neper Rome e paris e N.York?

[StormAngel]

Ue,
Me tregon ti muve pse nuk ka xhami ne Vatikan?
Edhe do bisedojme pastaj,

[White_Angel]

Po per ne katoliket a ka vend ketu? cfare jane keto qe flisni mos u beni dhe ju si greket o ortodoks o s'ka. Babain e kam Katolik dhe nene bektashiane s'ka te beje fare. As long as i am a human and he is to i don't mind se cfare religion ka.


Respekte White_Angel

[White_Angel]

Per muslimanet krishteret mund te zbatojne fene e tyre sepse ne kuran gjendet rregulla kur krishteret nuk obligohen me nderruar fene me zor



jo joooooooooo po ne kuran thuhet sipas BIBLES d.m.th feja e krishtere eshte para por m.gj.th nuk dua te hy me thelle se nuk e kma qef te flas persa i perket ndryshimit te fese njelloj jane njerezit dhe per kete e pelqej ameriken se nuk ka diskriminim si ne shtetet e tjera persa i perket fese.



Respekte White_Angel

[Toro]

Nuk thote gje.

Cudi me duket...Ne date 2 gusht 2004, gazeta NY Times kishte nje artikull te tere te perkushtuar transeksualizmit ne Iran....si dhe fakte ( me emra) dhe deshmi te gjalla per martesat e tyre jo vetem me burra te zakonshem...por me "roje te Garde Revolucionare Islamike" si dhe me ..klerike!!!

Megjithate po te postoj artikullin ne anglisht....gjithashtu ia perkushtoj kete artikull dhe Altinit 55 qe nuk le rast pa permendur "perversitetet" e Kishes ne Perendim....por "harron" ose nuk di "xhevahiret" e shtetit islamik ( te cilin na e ka per model te shoqerise) , shtet i cili homoseksualeve u paguan madje shpenzimet per nderrimin e seksit!!!!!


Ja dhe artikulli!
As Repression Lifts, More Iranians Change Their Sex
By NAZILA FATHI

Published: August 2, 2004


TEHRAN, Aug. 1 - Everything about Amir appears masculine: his broad chest, muscled arms, the dark full beard and deep voice. But, in fact, Amir was a woman until four years ago, when, at the age of 25, he underwent the first of a series of operations that would change his life.

Since then he has had 20 surgical procedures and expects another 4. And Amir, who as a woman was married twice to men - his second husband helped with the transition and remains a good friend - is now engaged to marry a woman.

"I love my life and I'm happy, as long as no one knows about my past identity," said Amir, who asked that his full name not be published. "No one has been more helpful than the judge, who was a cleric and issued the permit for my operation."

After decades of repression, the Islamic government is recognizing that some people want to change their sex, and allowing them to have operations and obtain new birth certificates.

Before the Islamic Revolution in 1979, there was no particular policy regarding transsexuals. Iranians with the inclination, means and connections could obtain the necessary medical treatment and new identity documents. The new religious government, however, classed transsexuals and transvestites with gays and lesbians, who were condemned by Islam and faced the punishment of lashing under Iran's penal code.

But these days, Iran's Muslim clerics, who dominate the judiciary, are considerably better informed about transsexuality. Some clerics now even recommend sex-change operations to those who are troubled about their gender. The issue was discussed at a conference in Tehran in June that drew officials from other Persian Gulf countries.

One cleric, Muhammad Mehdi Kariminia, is writing his thesis on transsexuality at the religious seminary of Qum.

"All the clerics and researchers at the seminary encouraged me to work on the subject," he said in an interview. "They said that my research can help change the social stigma attached to these people and clarify religious decrees on the matter."

One early campaigner for transsexual rights is Maryam Hatoon Molkara, who was formerly a man known as Fereydoon. Before the revolution, under the shah, he had longed to become a woman but could not afford surgery. Furthermore, he wanted religious guidance. In 1978, he wrote to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who was to become the leader of the revolution but was still in exile, explaining his situation.

The ayatollah replied that his case was different from that of a homosexual and therefore he had his blessing.

However, the revolution intervened and men like himself or those who had already changed their sex were harassed, even jailed and tortured. "They made me stop wearing women's clothes, which I had worn for many years and was used to," Ms. Molkara recalled. "It was like torture for me. They even made me take hormones to look like a man.''

It took him eight years after the revolution, in 1986, to get government permission to proceed with surgery. But he could not afford the surgery and did not have it until 1997, when he underwent a sex-change operation in Bangkok. The Iranian government covered the expenses. Four years ago, Ms. Molkara established an organization to help those with gender-identity problems. Co-founders include Ali Razini, head of the Special Court of Clergy, a branch of the judiciary that only deals with clerics, and Zahra Shojai, Iran's vice president for women's affairs. An Islamic philanthropic group known as the Imam Khomeini Charity Foundation has agreed to provide loans equivalent to about $1,200 to help pay for sex-change surgery.

To obtain legal permission for sex-change operations and new birth certificates, applicants must provide medical proof of gender-identity disorder. The process can take years.

It also involves considerable expense. In Tehran, the initial male-to-female surgery runs about $4,000. So far, Amir has spent $12,000 on medical procedures.

The people who pursue this route come from many different backgrounds.





Dr. Bahram Mir-djalali, one of Tehran's few sex-reassignment surgeons, said one of his patients had been a member of the Revolutionary Guards who served five years in the war with Iraq. His operation was paid for by a Muslim cleric he had worked for as a secretary. After the surgery, the man-turned-woman divorced, and then married the cleric.

"When she came to see me years later, she was wearing a chador," the doctor recalled, referring to the black head-to-toe garb worn by religious women. "She took off the chador, and there was no sign of the bearded man I had operated on."


But many who cannot deal with the legal and financial obstacles to a surgical solution have to deal with humiliation in their daily lives.

One 27-year-old man said he ran away from home at the age of 14 because he did not dare tell his family of his urge to become a woman. He wants to be known as Susan and wears women's clothes at home but only emerges dressed that way at night. He says the constant need for secrecy has left him severely depressed, and he has attempted suicide several times.

"I have suffered all my life,'' he said, constantly adjusting his long curly hair to cover his sideburns. "People treat me as though I have come from Mars. Women pull my hair and laugh at me on the street. Most men I am attracted to reject me."

In a society where men enjoy a higher status than women, the stigma against any man who wants to be a woman is especially strong.

"They compliment a girl who behaves and dresses like a man as a strong person, but they look down at us and despise us," said Assal, who was disowned by her father for having surgery to become a woman.

Dr. Mir-djalali said he had to fight on many fronts to help more than 200 patients who had consulted him in the 12 years he had performed sex-change operations. Even if Iran's Muslim clerics are more understanding now of transsexuals' needs, others lag behind.

"We have a problem even deciding at which hospital to do the surgery because society considers these people deviant," he said. "Hospital officials have reacted negatively because they say other patients do not like the looks of my patients."

He said one patient's father pulled a knife on him in his office, and threatened to kill him if he touched his son. "What we really need to help these people,'' Dr. Mir-djalali said, "is a serious cultural campaign."

[StormAngel]

C`lidhje ka njeriu me fene dhe menyren ne te cilen e beson?
Dhe mos i ik pyetjes sime.
Te kuptoj une c`do te thuash ti,po ti me duket muve nuk me kupton,
Njeri si njeri rende e ka te besoj 100% ashtu sic i shkruan libri i tij i shenjte pa marre parasysh se ciles fe i takon.

Pergjigja ime per pyetjen tende:Ata per muve nuk jane as musliman e as bektashian e asnisend.Njerez koti! Plehra dhe kaq.
Nuk identifikoj njeri me fe une.Nuk ben kjo,nuk gjeneralizohet me keto sende.