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    Shpirt Shqiptari Maska e Albo
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    Gjuha e Zotit

    THE LANGUAGE OF GOD

    by James Wm. Pandeli

    (Written for the Seminar on Illyrians to be held at Prishtina University in
    Kosova, Aug. 2003.)


    I The Illyrian Language

    It is the purpose of this writing to inspire thought; to enlighten the people of the Illyrian (Albanian) heritage; to help the Jews understand the ancient roots of their religion and hopefully enlighten the peoples of Christianity and Islam as well by placing in proper perspective these monotheistic (one
    God) religions within the context of the evolution of man. Prehistoric man created the ideas, names of the gods and religious stories through his perceptions and understandings of
    the natural surroundings. It is the Illyrian (Albanian) language that appears to translate this phenomenon.

    This attempt may help to reconcile Darwin's Theory of Evolution of 1859 with the creationist idea of a beginning that took place some 5764 years ago. As Darwin's theory might be referred to as the 'language of nature', the Illyrian (Albanian) language could be referred to as the 'language of god'.

    This may all have become possible because the 'Greek code' had been deciphered when parts of Hesiod's 'Theogony' (Genesis of the Gods)c. 700 B.C., was analyzed and placed within an Illyrian (Albanian) context in 1980, using the Albanian language as the tool in gaining a new insight into his work. Hesiod was a Greek farmer/shepard turned poet.

    Albanian is the oldest language in Europe and by some accounts has been compared to Etruscan (Z. Mayani, 'Etruscans Begin to Speak'). The Albanian alphabet was not developed until 1878 and the majority of the population was illiterate as recent as 1945. The Albanians are considered the descendents of
    the Illyrians. There is little record of the Illyrian civilization as they supposedly left no writings, a fact that I find increasingly hard to believe.

    The Greeks were the scribes for the translations of the books of the Bible from Hebrew to Greek. They may have been the unknowing scribes for some of the Illyrian history though it appears they did not understand the stories past on to them by the Illyrian people. 'From what parents the gods are derived or whether they were in existence from all time, and what they are like in shape, the Greeks do not know till this day when I write these lines' says Herodotus, Greek historian (c. 485-425 B.C.) (Book II, 53). It should be noted that the translation of the Bible, wherein the monotheistic concept was introduced to the western world, had been completed during the beginning of the
    first millenium. While this translation process was taking place the Alexandria (Egypt) Library was destroyed. It was said that this library contained the story of mankind.

    It should have been the wonder of the ages how the Greeks could have been the scribes of both the early Illyrian vocal histories and have understood none of it, as has been proven with the analysis of Hesiod's work, and some centuries later became the translators for one of the most important religious
    documents, the Bible, yet understood little of the roots of the evolution of religion in their world. Maybe now that we might begin to recognize that there is a 'language of god', a language that gave translation to the evolution of religion that we know in our world, we can begin to view this evolution with a clearer perspective.

    II An Illyrian World

    It is my contention that long before the 'beginning of the world' as expressed in Genesis, the first book of the Bible, there was an Illyrian world in the prehistoric era. It was one that had great religious influence over the Mediterranean world and the areas of the regions known as the Middle East and northern Africa. Though some of this Illyrian influence may have been lost to the Jews in their early culture it is probable that the teachers of Abraham, the Patriarch of the Jews, were aware of it.

    The concepts of 'west' and 'ancestors' were important parts of the prehistoric cultures in the ancient world. In Albanian the word 'perendim' translates to 'west'. The word 'Perendia' translates to 'God' or 'god-like'. In Albanian the words 'ze fare' translates to 'the voice (or message) of the ancestors'. The Greek name for 'west wind' was 'zephyr' which probably derives
    from the Albanian word 'ancestors'.

    Some European scholars have tried to find the key to the Illyrians
    because they sensed that it might have been a missing link to understanding the religious evolution in the western world. They were unsuccessful in finding this Illyrian world, and it appears that they could not imagine a wider implication. A reasoning process may enlighten us - help us to understand the religious and spiritual phenomenon in nature that enlightened prehistoric man. It seems to have been lost almost from the beginning of the historic era and became more political in its evolution.


    III The Concepts: Ou, Ra, and Tos


    In Greek, Ouranos was considered the first god, the god of heaven. If one were to separate the name 'Ouranos', to 'Ou' 'ra', it would translate into Albanian 'I' 'fell'. 'Ou' survives in Albanian as the personal pronoun 'I'. It was my contention that 'Ou' was the name of the first god in the line of succession of gods. Imagine yourself as a cave-dweller living many thousands
    of years ago. When you stand on the earth and view the earth and sky, does not the sky appear to fall to the earth in every direction you view? You do not have the understanding that the world is round. It appears that a dome forms over the earth.

    Hesiod states: "And Earth first bare starry Heaven, equal to herself, to cover (extend over) her on every side,..." (c.700 B.C.)

    It is my contention that this concept, the sky appearing to fall to earth, may have been the most significant to the people of the prehistoric era when their religious ideas were evolving. As a result, the 'ra' expressing this understanding, found its way throughout the cultures of the Middle East and North Africa over hundreds, maybe even thousands of years, in the prehistoric era.
    We see the word in the name Mediterranean. In Albanian that would translate as 'with the falling day'. Of course this analysis has never been made because the scholars could only see 'Latin'. This has been true with many analyses of the ancient world, the scholars see 'Latin' or 'Greek', or 'Hebrew' then fit a reasoning process to it. Of course, to some extent, I do the same with Illyrian (Albanian) but there is one difference - the Illyrian language is coincident with ideas that are better explained by the 'view' in prehistoric man's world, the evolutionary timetable within which he lived, than any subsequent document left behind by man.

    One point should be made clear with regard to the first god. This should not be confused with the idea of a supreme god within the Illyrian scheme. The supreme god to most people of the prehistoric world was the Mother-Earth. In some cultures she survived the prehistoric world and it is a familiar concept in recorded history.

    The concept 'Tos' ... When Hesiod was describing the beginning of the world he mentions that in the beginning there was 'Chaos' an emptiness or a state of disorder. And next was formed 'Ge', the earth...

    In Albanian there are four principal divisions of people that have emerged from an unrecorded past. The four divisions include the tribes Geg, located north of the Shkumbini River in central Albania (the ancient name of the river was Genusus; 'north' in Albanian 'veri' translates to 'the place of the
    egg'; 'Shkumbe' in Albanian translates to 'foam', and the oldest story of Aphrodite is of a foam birth, though the Greek version of that birth is not coincident with any Illyrian understanding). To the south of the river were the Tosk, Lab and Cham. With regard to Hesiod's first two names 'chaos' and 'ge', my thought was that they represented two of the four Albanian divisions. I did not
    allow the dialect of 'Kaos' to dissuade my observation from the Albanian 'Cha'. (The discussion and subsequent persuasion in this writer's book 'Oh Albania, My Poor Albania' satisfied many doubts as to the possible validity since it resulted in the breaking of the 'Greek code' and made many new analyses of the prehistoric world possible. In fact it was a factor in solving the 'mystery' of the Illyrian world.)

    My conclusion had been that if the 'Ge' was the mother, in the north, the place of the egg, then the 'Tos' might be the father in this scheme - something that had eluded the Greeks. In Albanian the word 'tos' refers to 'pluhur' which translated to mean 'dust'. The Albanian word 'plehu' translates as 'fertilize'. My thought was that the moisture or perhaps the drizzle of rain in the air on a moonlit night might have been likened to the dust-like appearance one might see in the air during daylight. The prehistoric peoples may have equated this 'dust' as a 'fertilizing' of Mother Earth - not in the factual scientific terms we know today, but in some reasoning that they could comprehend in their time. It is my belief that the 'tos' was synonymous with the concept of 'fertilization'.


    IV The Names: 'Torah', 'Ur'

    The Torah is one of the most important documents in Jewish culture. It may be said that the Torah is the whole body of Jewish religious literature including the Scriptures (the Bible). More specifically the Torah is considered the first five books of the Old Testament of the Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Levitus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. In the Jewish tradition, it is the introduction
    of the 'One God' to the Jewish people, and subsequently to a large part of the human race represented by the people of Christianity and the people of Islam.

    Abraham was the founder of Judaism, the first great patriarch who introduced the concept of monotheism - the doctrine in the belief that there is only one God. He was born in Ur, a place in Iraq.

    Quite simply it is my contention that the 'To' in 'Torah' represents the 'fertilization', and the 'rah', that which 'fell to earth', or the 'fatherhood which fell to earth'. This is what I believe to be the etymology - the origin and prehistorical development of this name. And it is quite fitting, and no wonder, that the patriarch and founder of this 'One God' concept should be born in a place called 'Ur', a name that I believe developed from the Illyrian concept 'Ou' 'Ra'...

    Albania, including Kosova, should be viewed not only as a nation that had been established in 1912, (KosovA was stolen from Albania by the Great Powers of early 20th century Europe and pillaged by neighbors) but also a culture, a living, breathing heritage for many thousands of years despite the lack of an alphabet until 1878 and an illiterate population as recent as 1945. There are prehistoric concepts within this heritage that can be the only source of explanation for the origin of religious ideas and tradition that exist in many cultures with regard to the 'west' and 'ancestoral reverence'. And it becomes apparent that the ideas pre-date any recorded civilization's claim to antiquity by the very nature of its preservation - they can be found, even though lost for thousands of years, not through documents, not by investigating pottery or other artifacts, but through a reasoning process that applies the Albanian language to the same natural surroundings that were readily available to prehistoric man as it is to ourselves today.

    It is important to understand that the Illyrian (Albanian) and Jewish peoples at one time lived in a prehistoric world, one culture subsequently left writings, one supposedly did not; one culture lost some of the understandings of that world, the other culture remained a mystery for thousands of years until 1980.

    In Albanian 'Genusus' would translate to 'Mother Earth as a bride'. 'Nuse' translates to 'bride'... It is most probable the origin of the Greek word 'Genesis', 'the beginning', derives from this concept. In Albanian the word 'dhenderr' translates to 'groom'. 'Dhe' translates to 'earth', and 'nderr' translates 'to extend' or 'spread over'. From Homeric Hymn, c.800 B.C.: 'Hail Mother of the gods, wife of starry Heaven'. From Hesiod, c.700 B.C.: 'And earth first bare starry Heaven, equal to herself, to cover (extend over) her on every side..."


    V The Bridge to the Blessed Father

    Thousands of years have passed without the benefit of insight into the prehistoric Illyrian world, without an awareness that there was and still is a 'language of god'. It is a 'language' which may help man to understand the prehistoric evolution of the religious and spiritual phenomenon that rooted in that era and in some aspects survived in the world we know today. It is a
    'language' which might answer questions that can help man to better understand his world, his religion.

    The reader must recognize that we live in a very dangerous world where technology has given humanity some very unforgiving powers. The Illyrian (Albanian) language might teach something. Hopefully it can be the catalyst which could take us from Day One of the evolutionary process to Day Two. It is a new
    awareness of an old phenomenon.

    If one were to point to the place where the heaven meets the earth and follow the path of the sun overhead and toward the west, an imaginary bridge would be drawn. In Albanian 'ura' translates to 'bridge'. 'Urat' translates to 'the blessed father'.
    "Babai i shtetit ėshtė Ismail "Qemali", e zbuloi Edvin shkencėtari!"

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    Shpirt Shqiptari Maska e Albo
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    Do tu isha mirenjohes nese dikush do ta perkthente ne shqip kete artikull.

    Albo
    "Babai i shtetit ėshtė Ismail "Qemali", e zbuloi Edvin shkencėtari!"

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    Gezuar Kosoven e Pavarur Maska e dodoni
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    Urojmė dhe pėrgėzojmė shumė zotin Pandeli pėr kėtė studim tė mrekullueshėm.
    Po nuk e bėri pėrkthimin dikush deri nė kėtė fundjavė, besoj se e bėj unė nė kėtė fundjavė.

    Tung
    Leje mos m'trano, pashe zotin!!!!

    Rrofte Shqiperia Etnike

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    El-Letėrsia Maska e macia_blu
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    "po pres perkthimin une"!
    Faleminderit!!!
    "Shkolla nuk e ben njeriun me te mencur, e meson te duket i tille" (e.m)

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    shume postim i bukur Alb0 .a mund te te pyes ku e more ?
    Through my genes ancestors
    are calling me ,
    Not to waste the blood they
    gave for Liberty,
    This invasion we must force
    to cease,
    Or their souls will not rest
    in peace ,
    From the Eagle's Lands you
    must disappear,
    All you Invaders and you
    traitors too,
    We will be your shadow
    we will be your fear,
    With bullets and death,
    we will bless you ,
    Untill free of snakes is
    the Eagle's Nest ,
    No way , never I will rest !

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    Jam shume impresionuar nga ky studim. Do te mundohem te bej vetem nje perkthim te thate dhe pa komente pasi per shume probleme fetare atje nuk ia kam haberin sepse nuk kam qene kaq i interesuar pas fese.

    I The Illyrian Language

    It is the purpose of this writing to insipirre thought; to enlighten the people of the Illyrian (Albanian)Heritage; to help the Jews understand the ancient roots and hopefully enlighten the people of Christianity and Islam as well by placing in proper perspective these monotheistic ( one God ) religionswithin the context of the evolution of the man. Prehistoric man created the ideas, names of the gods and religious stories through of his perception and understandings of the natyral surroundings. It is the Illyrian (Albanian language that appears to translate this phenomenon.

    This attempt may help to reconcile Dawin's Theory of Evolution of 1859 years ago. As Darwin's Theory might be referred to as the language of nature; the Illyrian (Albanian) language could be referred to as the language of God.

    This may all have become possible because the "Greek Code"had been deciphered when parts of Hesoid's " Theogony" (Genesis of the Gods)c. 700 BC, was analyzed and placed within an Illyrian ( Albanian ) context in 1980using the Albanian language as th tool in gaining a new insight into his work. Hesoid was a Greek farmer/shepard turned poet.

    Albanian is the oldest language in Europe and some accounts has been copared to Eutruscan (Z Mayani, 'Eutruscans Begin to speak'). The Albanian alphabet was not developed until 1878 and the majority of the population was iliterateas recent as 1945. The Albanian considered the descedents of the Illyrians. There is little record of the Illyrians civilisiation as they supposedly left no writings, a fact I finded increasly hard to believe.

    The Greeks were the scribes for the translation of the books of the Bible from Hebrew to Greek. They may have been the unknowing scribes for some of the Illyrians history thoughit appears the did not understand the stories past on to them by the Illyrian people. 'From what parents the gods are derived or whwther they were in existencefrom all the time, and what are they like in shape, the Greeks do not know till these day when I write this lines' says Herodotus, Greek historian(c 485-425 BC) ( Book II ,530.It should be noted that the translation of the Bible, wherein the monotheistic was introduced to the western world, had ben compleded during the begining of the first millenium. While this tranlation process was taking place the Alexandria (Egypt) Librarywas destroyed. It was said that this library contained the story of the mankind.

    It should have been the wonder of the ages how the Greeks could have been the scribes of both the early Illyrian vocal histories and have understood none of it, as has been proven with the analysisof Hesoid's work, and some centuries later became the translater for one of most important religious documents, the Bible, yet understood little of the roots of the evolution of religion in their world. Maybe now that we might begin to regconize that there is a 'language of god', a language that gave translation to the evolution of religion that we all know in our world, we can begin to view this evolution with clearer perspective.[B]

    Gjuha Ilire

    Eshte qellimi i ketij shkrimi te frymezoje mendimet; te ndricoje pasardhesit e popullit Ilir (Shqipetaret); te ndihmoje Hebrejt te kuptojne rrenjet e lashta te besimit te tyre dhe shpresoj te ndricoje popujt e Kristianismit dhe e Islamit gjithashtu duke vendosur ne vend te vet perspektiven e ketyre besimesh monoiste ( nje zot ) ne kontekstin e evolimit te njeriut. Njeriu prejhistorik krijoi idete, emrat e zotave dhe historite e besimeve nepermjet menyres se tij te perceptimit dhe kuptimit tte mjedisit natyror rrethues. Eshte gjuha Ilire (Shqipetare) qe shfaqet te perktheje kete fenomen

    Kjo perpjekje mund te na ndihmoje te rishikojme Teorine e Evolucionit te Carl Davirnit te vitit 1859 me idene e krijimit qe zuri vend 5764 vje me pare. Pasi teoria e Davirnit mund t'i referohesh si 'gjuha e natyres' , gjuhes Ilire (Shqipetare) mund t'i referohesh si 'ghuha e zotit'

    Kjo mund te behet komplet e mundshme pasi 'Kodi Grek' qe kishte bere deshifrimin kur pjese nga libri 'Theogony' (Genesis of the Gods) 700 vjet para eres sone shkruar nga Hesoid ishte analizuar dhe sqaruar me contekst Ilir (Albanian) ne 1980, duke perdorur gjuhen Shqipe si nje mjet qe rriste nje kendveshtrim me te madh te punes se tij. Hesoid ishte nje Bujk/Bari Grek qe u kthye ne poet.

    Shqipja eshte gjuha me vjeter ne Europe dhe nga disa llogaritje krahasohet me Eutruscan (Z. Mayani, 'Eutruscan begin to speak'). Alfabeti Shqip nuk u zhvilua deri 1878 dhe shumica e Shqipetareve ishin analfabete deri ne 1945. Shqipetaret jane konsideruar si pasardhes te Ilireve. Gjenden shume pak te dhene per civilizimin Ilir pasi duke supozohet se ato nuk lane shkrime gje qe per mua sa vjen e behet me e veshtire per ta besuar.

    Greke ishiin shkrimet per te perkthyer librat e shenjte te Bibles nga Hebraisht ne Greqisht. Por keto shkrime mund te kene qene te panjohura prej nje pjese te historise Ilire prandaj shfaqet se ato (Greket) nuk i kuptuan te gjitha historite e pasuara tek ata nga Iliret. "Prej nga baballaret zotat kane rrjadhur ose ardhur, ku ato kane ekzistuar gjate gjithe kohes dhe cfare forme kane ato , Greket nuk e dine dhe sot e kesaj dite qe une po shktuaj keto rrjeshta" - thote Heredotus, hisorian Grek (485-425 para eres sone) ( Book II, 53). Duhet jete pare qe perkthimi i Bibles,ku monoist koncet pra nje zot koncept u prezantua te bota perendimore,eshte kompletuar ne fillimin e mijevjecarit te pare. Asaj kohe kur ky perkthim po behej ne Aleksandri ne Egjipt libraria u shkaterrua. Ne ate thohesh se kjo biblioteke permante te gjithe historite njerezore.

    Duhet te kete qene shume e cuditshme per ate kohe se si Greket kane qene shkrues te historive e hershme Ilire por dhe nuk i kuptonin asnje prej tyre, sic provohet nga analiza e Hesoidit ne perkthimin e tij , dhe ato pak shekuj me vone do beheshin perkthyesit e dokumentave me te rendesishme fetare ,Bibles, kur ato nuk kuptonin akoma rrenjet e zhvillimit te besimit te tyre fetar ne boten e tyre. Ndoshta tani ne mund te fillojme te kuptojme dhe njohim qe ekziston nje "gjuhe e zotit", nje ghuhe qe na jep ne perkthimin tek evolimi i besimit fetar qe ne njohim ne boten tone dhe ne mund te fillojme te shikojme kete evolucion me nje perpektive me te qarte.

    Ketu jam munduar te perkthej pjesen e pare . Nuk e di se sa ia kam arritur qellimit. Po mundohem te postoj dhe perkthimin e pjeseve te tjera.

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    Po mundohem vetem te bej perkthimin e pjeseve pasi e gjej shume te veshtire t'i shkruaj ato perseri.

    II Nje bote Ilire.

    Eshte ne mendjen time qe shume kohe me pare se "fillimi i botes" sic shprehet ne Genesis, libri i pare i Bibles, ndodhej nje bote komplet Ilire ne eren prejhistorike. Ajo ishte nje bote qe kishte nje influence te madhe tek vendet e mesdheut dhe disa vise te tjera te njohura si Lindja e Mesme dhe Afrika Veriore.Sido qe nje pjese e kesaj influence mund te kete qene humbur tek Hebrejt ne ne kulturen e hershme te tyre dhe eshte plotesisht e mundshme qe mesuesit e Abrahamit, patriark i Hebrejve ka qene ne dijeni te saj.

    Koncepti i perendimit "west" dhe prejardhesve ose te pareve "ancestors"kane qene pjese te rendesishme te kuultures ne boten e lashte. Ne shqip "West" eshte perendim. Dhe "god, god-like" pra "zot ose si zoti" i thone "perendia". Gjithashtu " Ze Fare" do te thote ze i te pareve. ( Fare eshte per dorur si fare e fis pra te paret fara) Greqisht per eren e perendimit eshte "Zephyr" e cila ka mundesi te te rrjedhi nga fjala e shqipes fare, pra fara te paret.

    Disa nga studiuesit Europian kane provuar te gjejne zgjidhje ose celes tek Ilirishtja pasi ato e kane vene re qe mund te kete qene nje mangesi ne rrjedhjen e kuptimit te evolucioni te fese ne boten perendimore. Ato ishin te pasuksesshem ne gjetjen e kesaj bote Ilire dhe sic duket per ato nuk kishte gje me te madhe te komplikuar. Nje proces shkacesh mund te na ndihmoje ne -ndricoje te kuptojme fenomenin besimtar fetar dhe shpirteror te natyres se njeriut prejhistorik. Duket sikur ky ka qene humbur pothuajse prej fillimit te eres historike dhe bere me shume politik ne evolucionin e vet.

    III Konceptet: Ou, Ra dhe Tos.

    Ne Greqi Uranos ishte konsideruar si zoti i pare, zoti i parajses. Nqs ne do ta ndanim emrin e 'Ouranos', ne 'Ou' 'ra' ajo do te pekthehej ne shqip 'une'( Ne kete rast "ne" eshte e pazeshme, pra 'une ' do te ishte 'U') ' ra ose rashe' Pra 'ou ' mbijetoi ne shqip si peremer vetor 'Une'. Ky eshte sugjerimi im qe 'Ou' ishte emri i zotit te pare ne rrjeshtin e zoteve pasardhes. Imagjinoni veten si nje njeri shpelle qe po jqtoni mijra vjet me pare. Kur ju qendruat ne toke dhe veshtruat qiellin, nuk duket sikur qialli po bie ne toke ne cdo drejtim? ti nuk e kupton ate bote qe te rrethon ty. Ajo te paraqitet ne formen nje harku te madh mbi toke.

    Hesoids shenon : " dhe toka per here te pare shfaqi parajsen e mahnitshme te berabarte vetem me veten, te mbuloje ate (dhe me shume) ne cdo ane,.." (c.700pes)

    Ne bindjen time ky koncept i renies se qiellit ne toke do te kete qene fakti me kryesor tek njerezit prejhistorik kur idete e tyre besimtare sapo paten filluar te krijohen. Si rezultat "ra" shpreh kete kuptimgjeti rrugen e vet tejpertej ne kulturen e Lindjes se Mesme dhe Afrikes Veriore para qindra vitesh pse jo para mijera vitesh ne kohen e njeriut prejhistorik.
    Le te shohim fjalen Mediterranean. Ne Shqip ju mund ta pektheni "with the falling day" (Me dite ranien)Sigurisht kjo analize nuk eshte bere ndonjehere per arsye se studiuesit shikonin vetem ne gjuhen Latine. Kjo ka qene e vertete me shume analiza ne kohen e lashte, studiuesit shihnin vetem Latinisht Greqishten e Lashte dhe Hebreishten dhe pastaj ia rregullonin procesin ne to.. Sigurisht tek disa shtesa, dhe une bej te njejten gje me Ilirishten (Shqipen) por ketu eshte nje ndryshim- Ilirishtja eshte eshte koicidente me idete te cilat jane shpjeguar me mire nga "pamja" e botes se nje njeriu prejhistorik. ne tabelen e evolucionit ne te cilin ai jetoi, pastaj dhe ndonje dokument shtese i lene nga njeriu.

    Nje pike duhet sqaruar ne lidhje zotin e pare. Ky nuk duhet ngaterruar me idene e zotit suprem ne skemen Ilire. Zoti suprem tek shumica e njerezve prejhistorikeshte gjithmone "Nena Toke" Ne disa kultura ajo mbijetoi kohes prejhistorike dhe eshte shume familjare si koncept ne historine e tanishme.

    Koncepti "Tos" (Nuk eshte fjala per Fatos Nanon") .. Kur Hesoidi po pershkruante fillimin e botes ai permendi ate qe ne fillim ishte "Chaos" nje boshllek ose nje shtet i parregullt. Dhe pastaj eshte fomuar "Ge" toka...

    Ne shqip gjenden kater ndarje qe kane rrjedhur prej nje kohe te papercaktuar.Kater ndarjet ishin Geget te vendosur ne veri te lumit Shkumbinne Shqiperine e Mesme( emri i lashte i Shkumbinit ka qene Genusus; 'North' ne Shqip eshte 'Veri' qe do te thote " Vendi qe ... ( me falni por ketu autori nuk e ka mbaruar mendimin)
    psh ; "Shkumbe " do te thote " FOAM" shqip shkumbe dhe historia e vjeter e Afrodites eshte se ajo ka lindur nga shkumba, pra versioni i lindjes se saj nuk koincidence me kuptimin Ilir). Ne jug te lumit ishin Toske Lab dhe Cam. Duke iu referuar Hesoidit per dy emrat e pare "Chaos" "Ge" mendimet e mia jane se ato prezantonin dy nga kater ndarjet Shqipetare. Une nuk lejoj dialektin e "Kaos' te me ndryshoje vezhgimin tim prej Shqipes "Cha". (Diskutimi dhe pjesa e persekucioni ne kete liber te shkrimtarit "Oh Shqiperia, Shqiperia ime e mjere" ku ai zgjith shume enigma te mundshme prej rezultatit te zgjidhjes se "Kodit Grek" dhe ben shume analiza te mundesive ne kohen prejhistorike. Ne fakt eshte zgjidhja e enigmes se botes Ilire.

    Konkluzioni im ka qene qe nqs "Ge' eshte nena ne veri ne vendin e e gegeve,atehere "Tos" duhet te jete babai ne kete skeme , dicka qe Greket kurre nuk e kane kuptuar dhe i ka munduar ata. Ne shqip "Tos" qendron per pluhurin. "Plehu " ne shqip eshte ajo substance qe ben token me pjellore.. Mendimi im ishte qe ne nje nate me hene kur ndonje shi imet kak qene duke rene ose lageshtira e nates qe ngjason me pluhurin ne diten me ere do te kete qene nje lidhje midis tyre. Njerezit prejhistorik mund ta kene barazuar ate me pra kete pluhur ose "Tos" si dicka qe e ben Nene Token pjellore, jo ne kuptimin shkecor te diteve tone si nje pleh por dicka te kuptueshme per ate kohe. Ne besimin tim fjala "Tos" ka te beje me nje sinonim me koncept pjellim.

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    IV Emrat: 'Torah" dhe "Ur"

    Torah eshte nje nga dokumentet me te rendesishme te kultures te Hebrejve. Mund te thuhet qe Torah eshte trupi i besimit Hebrej si literature bashke me "Shkrimet" ose ndryshe Bibla. Per ta bere me te qarte Torah eshte konsideruar si i pari i pese librave te "Old testament" pra testamentit te vjeter te Bibles: Genesis, Exodus, Levitus, Numbers dhe Deuteromy. Ne traditen Hebreje Torah eshte prezantuesja e "nje zoti" te Hebrejt duke shtuar te nje pjese me e madhe e njerezimit prezantuar prej Krishterimit dhe Islamit.

    Abrham ishte themeluesi i Judaismit fese te Cifuteve pra Hebrejve, i pari patriak qe prezantoi konceptin monoist te zotit pra qenies se vetem nje zoti. Ai kishte lindur ne nje vend ne Irak te quajtur "Ur".

    Kaq e thjeshte lidhja ne Torah e To qe prezanton ndryshe faren per pjellim dhe "rah" qe ra ne toke. Ose me sakte babai qe ra ne toke ( Babai eshte ketu si fertilizer). Kjo eshte ajo qe une besoj te jete fillimi i origjines, dhe zhvillimi prejhistorik i ketij emri. Dhe eshte kaq bindese dhe aspak cudi qe ky patriark dhe themelues i fese me nje zot te kete lindur ne nje vend te quajtur "Ur",ne emer qe une besoj erdhi nga koncepti Ilir "Ou" "Ra"...

    Shqiperia dhe Kosova duhen shikuar jo si nje komb i formuar ne 1912, (Kosova eshte vjedhur nga Shqiperia ne fillim t shekullit te 20 dhe i eshte njghitur fqinjit tone) por gjithashtu nje kulture, nje menyre jetese, rymemarrje te trasheguar per mijra vite pavaresisht se pa alfabet deri ne `1878 dhe nje popullsi analfabete deri ne 1945. Ne trashgemine e tyre gjende koncepte qe mund te jene i vetmi burim te sqaroje prejardhjen e ideve fetare dhe traditen qe egziston ne shume kultura perfshire ketu Perendimin dhe Parardhesit e tyre. Dhe behet fare e qarte ajo qe idete shume te lashta te cdo civilizimi qe eshte rregjistruar dhe mendohet te kete qene ne lashtesi pavaresisht nga natyra e tij per te ruajtur sekretin - ato mund te gjenden, zbulohen,megjithese kane kaluar mijra vite, jo nepermjet dokumentave, jo duke studiuar vazot apo vlerat e sendeve artistike, por duke kryer nje proces shkaqesh dhe rrjedhojash qe mund te aplikohet tek gjuha Shqipe tek te njejtat dukuri dhe natyre qe rrethonte njeriun prejhistorik dhe na rrethon dhe ne tani ne ditet tona.

    Eshte shume e rendesishme qe te kuptohet qe dhe Iliret (Shqipetaret) dhe Hebrejt jetuan ne nje bote prejhistorike, ne nje kulture rrjedhimisht ne shkrimet e lena, dhe supozojme njeri nuk la shkrime : nje kulture humbi disa nga kuptimet e asaj bote, tjetra kulture mbeti nje enigme per mijra vite me rradhe deri ne 1980.

    Ne Shqip "Genusus" mund te perkthehet si nena toke nuse. Eshte shume e mundshme qe fjala greke "Genesis" per "Fillimin" te kete ardhur nga ky kocept. Psh ne Shqip fjala dhender qe eshte perkthim per "Groom" mund te zberthehet si 'Dhe' + "Nderr". Dhe do te thote toke , dhe nder-r shperndaj ose zgjas ( Nga une per ta bere me te lehte nder rrobat ne tel per t'u thare)
    Nga himni i Homerit (c,800p.e.s.): " Hail Mother of gods, wife of starry Heaven"
    - Ndero nenen e zotave si dhe nusen e Prajses se ndricuar.
    Nga Hesoidi (c,700 p.e.s.): " And earth first bare starry Heaven, Equal to herself, to cover (Extended over) her on evry side.."
    - Dhe toka fillimisht zbuloi parajsen e ndricuar te barabarte me veten, te mbuloi ( dhe terheqe me shume) ate ne cdo ane te saj...


    V Ura tek Ati i bekuar

    Mijra vite kane kaluar pa ndonje ndihme te ndricojme Boten Ilire prejhistorike ne brendesi, pa ndonje vemendje qe ka qene apo mund te jete akoma nje "gjuhe e zotit". Pra eshte nje gjuhe qe e cila mund te ndihmoje njeriunte kuptoje evolucionin prejhistorik te fese, fenomenit shpirteror qe i ka rrenjet ne ate ere, prejhistori, dhe disa aspekte qe mbijetuan deri ne boten qe jetojme ne sot. Eshte nje gjuhe qe mund t'u pergjigjet shume pyetjeve qe ndihmojne njeriuntek nje kuptim me i mire i botes se tij dhe besimit te tij.

    Lexuesi mund ta kuptoje qe ne jetojme ne nje bote shume te rrezikshme ku teknologjia i ka dhene njeriut disa fuqi shume te paharrueshme. Gjuha Ilire (Shqipetare) mund te na shpjegoje dicka. Shpresoj ajo mund te jete katilizatori i cili do te na marre ne prej nga Dita NJe e nje procesi evolues tek Dita Dy. Eshte nje dijeni e re e nje fenomeni te vjeter.

    Nqs njeri ishte tek pika dhe vendi ku parajsa takon token dhe ndoqi rrugen e diellit mbi krye dhe drejt perendimit, nje ure imagjinare mund te vizatohet. Ne Shqip "Ura" do te thote ure dhe "Urate" Zoti i uruar ose zoti i bekuar.

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    Ne rradhe te pare dua te falenderoj Albo-n per kete shkrim me te vertete fantastik. Pa ndonje te keqe por vetem me shaka "I ke fituar perseri ato piket qe i ke humbur kur shkruan vetem per PD-n"

    Jam munduar ta perkthej ashtu sic mu duk me drejte dhe jam munduar te sjell gjithe idete e autorit mgjs ky shkrim do te ishte mire te ishte perkthyer nga nje historian. Ndoshta ne ndonje gazete ose reviste shqiptare.

    Ju lutem mos me shani per perkthim kur e shikoni se ndonje fjae mund te ishte perkthyer ndryshe por akoma ruan kuptimin dhe idete e autorit.

    Edhe nje here faleminderit Albo

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    Albo, tė falemnderoj qė e solle kėtė shkrim, ndėrsa Nordik qė morre mundimin pėr ta pėrkthyer.

    Ka shumė gjėra pėr tė shtuar rreth Gjuhės sė Zotit nė lidhje me shqipen e lashtė, dhe jam shumė i sigurt se ka plotė gjėra qė ne nuk i dimė akoma tė cilat janė akoma nė errėsirė dhe qė presin tė dalin nė dritė.

    Besoj se nė lashtėsi gjuha jonė pellazge ėshtė shkruar, dhe se ka akoma mbetje tė kėtyre shkrimeve sot e kėsaj dite. Psh kombi grek ėshtė njė degė e kombit tonė tė lashtė pellazgė. Huazimet e fjalėve qė sot pėrkthehen vetėm nė shqip tė mitollogjisė helene nuk janė njė rastėsi. Helenėt dhe fiset e tjera qė jetonin ku ndodhet Greqia e sotme, ishin fise pellazge qė ndėrmorrėn njė zhvillim vetjak tė tyren. Me formin e qytet-shtetve atyre iu desh tė formonin edhe fjalė tė reja pėr t'iu pėrshtatur jetės qytetare, sepse siē e dimė paradhėsit e tyre ishin fshatarė nėpėr fusha ose nėpėr male.

    Psh Arbėria, prejnga zbritėn dorėt pėr nė More, do tė thotė Arė-bėri, dmth ai qė "punon arat", ai qė "bėnė arat". Homeri, qė nė shqip ėshtė ruajtur me emrin Ymer, shkroi ose pėrmblodhi historirat e popullit. Gjuha e tij sipas shumė studiesve, i pėrafrohet mė shumė shqipes sė sotme sesa greqishtes sė sjellė nga Azia e Vogėl dhe qė flitet sot nė Greqi.

    Do tė pėrshkruaj me pak fjalė gjuhėn e Zotit, dmth shqipen nė ndėrhyje tė historisė sė vėrtetė tė Zeusit, tė shkruar dhe shpjeguar nga Homeri (Ymeri) dhe tė mitollogjisė sė saj, dhe do tė vėreni se e vėrteta e historisė sė gojdhėnės pėrket me mitollogjinė vetėm nė saj tė shqipes:

    Faltorja e parė e Zeusit

    Faltorja e parė e Zeusit, ngaku ky e ka origjinėn si mit por edhe si idhull ndodhet nė Dodonė pranė Janinės sė sotme. Ndėrtimi i kėsaj faltoreje pėrkon diku rreth shek. tė VII ose tė VIII para erės sonė. Mė vonė do tė kemi edhe njė Dodonė tė dytė, tė quajtur edhe si "zhvendosja e Dodonės" e cila sot ndodhet nė maj tė malit tė Tomorrit, dmth maja mė e lartė e Toskėrisė. Tek faltorja e Zeusit ka pas qėnė njė pemė dushku, nė tė cilėn dy priftėresha fenikase kishin varur orendi tė ndryshme nė degėt e saj. Thuhet se njė ditė kur nė fushėn e Dodonės frynte erė, nga fėrkimi i erės me degėt dhe orenditė, nė pemėn e dushkut filluan tė dalin zėra, dhe sė mė vonė banorėt filluan tė dėgjojnė fjalė nga kėto zėra. Banorė shqiptarė vinin prej anembanė trojeve shqiptare pėr tė dėgjuar "ndivenesėn" e pemės sė dushkut, dhe thuhet se vetėm banorėt shqiptarė (dmth tė lashtė) mund tė dallonin fjalė nga zėri i pemės sė dushkut. Ēdo shqiptarė, ose shumica e tyre zotoheshin se do t'i ruanin fjalėt qė u thoshte ose u kėshillonte zėri nga pema si sytė e ballit, dhe se do ta plotėsonin dėshirėn e kėtyre zėrave.

    Kjo ėshtė historia e vėrtetė e faltores sė parė tė Zeusit, tė shkruar nga Homeri.

    Mitollogjia e Zeusit dhe Athinės

    Zeusi ishte djali i Kronit, dhe mė pas u bė Zoti i Zotėrve tė tjerė pellazgė. Sipas mitollogjisė Athina lindi nga koka e Zeusit njė ditė kur kėtij po i dhimbte koka tmerrėsisht, dhe kur njė plak i vogėl xhuxhumak padashje i ra sopata nga krahu dhe i ēau kokėn Zeusit. Prej kokės sė Zeusit doli Athina si njė vajzė trime dhe luftėtare, ndėrsa dhimbja e tėmerrshme e kokės sė Zeusit u shua, dhe koka mė vonė iu shėrua nga ēarja.

    Athina nė mitollogji simbolizonė arsyen e fjalės, dmth "arsyen". Ndėrsa Zeusi ishte Zoti i Zotėrve dhe mbante nė njėrėn dorė shkopin me tė cilėn gidiste me rrufenė e perėndisė, ndėrsa nė dorėn tjetėr mbante "shqiponjėn" e cila ishte plotėsuesja dhe lajmėtarja e dėshirave tė Zeusit.

    Lidhja e historisė sė faltores me mitollogjinė

    Siē e thash nė historinė e faltores, nga pema e dushkut filluan tė dalin zėra kur frynte erė nė fushėn e Dodonės, dhe kur degėt dhe orenditė krijonin fjalė me anė tė zhurmės. Emri Zeus nė shqip vjen nga fjala ZĖ, dmth sepse nga pema e dushkut dhe nga rrahja e erės dilte ZĖ. Hera nė mitollogji ishte njė nga gratė mė tė pėrafėrta tė Zeusit, dhe Zonja e qiellit dhe e stuhive. Emri Hera pėrkon nė shqip me fjalėn ERA dhe i jep kuptim Zonjės si pėrėndesh, por edhe faktit se pa erė ZĖRI nuk mund tė dilte nga pema e dushkut nė Dodonė.

    Siē do bimė, edhe pema ka kurorėn e saj, dmth trugun qė lidh degėt. Emri Athina vjen nga fjala shqipe E-Thėna. Dmth kur pemės po i "dhimbte koka" (nė mitillogji) ose nga era pema po krijonte shumė zhurmė, prej ZĖRIT (Zeusit) doli E-THĖNA (Athina) e cila thoshte ARSYEN e gjėrave. Pra historia e faltores sė parė tė Zeusit pėrputhet mėse qartė me mitollogjinė e Zeusit.

    Por kjo histori ka edhe njė pjesė shumė interesante. Nė Dodonė thuhet se binin shumė rrufe, dhe prandaj kjo mund tė shpjegoj pse Zeusi mbante shkopin e rrufesė nė njėrėn dorė. Po shqiponja nė dorėn tjetėr ēfarė ėshtė? Unė mendoj dhe jam mėse i sugurt se shqiponja nė krah tė Zeusit, ose ZĖRIT janė populli shqiptarė i cili kalonte male dhe trojet tė tėra qė tė dėgjonte Zėrin ose Ndivenesėn e Dodonės. Brezė pas brezi baballarėt na kanė mėsuar neve qė ta ruajmė gjuhėn tonė si sytė e ballit, dhe kur Skėnderbeu i rizgjoj shqitparėt, ai i tha se ne jemi "Shqiptarė" dmth bij dhe plotėsuesit e dėshirave tė Zotit (Zeusit) Ēdo shqiptarė pavetėdijshėm e di dhe ėshtė mėsuar qė ta ruaj gjuhėn e tė parit, gjuhėn e prindėrve dhe tė farės, dhe kjo ka lidhje tė padiskuteshme me Zėrin e Dodonės, dmth Zeusin, ose Zojsin nė ēamėrisht, ēka pėrfundimisht ėshtė Zoti. Pra emri "shqiptarė" qė ne mbartim ka tė bėj me Zėrin, ose shqiponjėn e Zeusit nė mitollogji.

    Asdreni shkroj hymnin tonė kombėtar dy shekuj mė parė, ku nė njė varg thuhet "Se Zoti e tha vetė me goj se kombe shuhen pėr mbi dhé, por Shqipėria do tė rrojė, pėr tė, pėr tė luftojmė ne!" Ku e tha Zoti kėtė gjė? Ku e dėgjoj kėtė ndodhi Asdreni qė u frymzua ta shtoj nė hymnin tonė? Ku mund tė flasi Zoti dhe si?... Tek gojdhanat e pollullit kjo "besė" ka ngelur e gjallė megjithėse e pashkruar, por ZĖRIT (Zeusit) shqipet iu zotuan qė t'ia plotėsojnė dėshirat dhe ta ruajnė gjuhėn e tyre brez pas brezi si sytė e ballit.

    Fjalė ose emra tė tjerė nga mitollogjia helene ka plotė qė shpjegohen vetėm nė saj tė shqipės, si psh:

    Afroditis = Afėrdita ky rruzull qė shihet vetėn herėt nė mėngjes ose natėn vonė, dmth Afėr-Ditės.

    Pluto = ėshtė rruzulli i Jupiterit i cili ėshtė edhe rruzulli mė i madh i sistemit tonė diellorė, dmth nė shqip pėrket me fjalėn "I Plotė" dmth planeti mė "i plotė" dmth mė i madhi.

    Besoj se tė gjitha kėto emra tė ripara edhe njė herė nė saj tė shqipes, mund tė nxjerrin nė dritė historitė e vėrteta tė ngjarjeve tė lashta tė popullit Pellazė, dhe tė "zėrave" tė Zotit, ēka e bėjnė gjuhėn shqipe, gjuhėn e Zotit. Pėr tash po e mbyll me kėtu.

    Drini.

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