Çfarë mendoni për Ahmet Zogun?

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[Tahir_Veliu]

Postuar më parë nga Ermali-AL.....
Do me falesh per mendimin tim , por dua te te them se ahmeT zogU ja vodhi SHqiperise pasurine dhe e braktisi , shkojti jashte shteti , dhe tani na vjen i biri (tradhetaret e shqiperise ) qe te na lene e 50 vjet mbrapa .

Me shume vleresim tek ata, qe te pakten ndertuan fabrikat e shqiperise ,( dhe qe ballistet me ne funt i shkatruane ) dhe tani vertitemi rotull , dhe spo ndertojme nje fabrike, qe eshte e domos doshme , qe te ecim perpara . Dhe jo se une bije dakort per komonizmin"

Pajtohem!

[Albo]

Ahmet Zogolli qendron ne te djathte te heroit tone kombetar, Gjergj Kastriotit. Gjergj Kastrioti i solli shqiptareve lirine nga pushtuesit turq, Ahmet Zogu hodhi themelet e para reale ne toke shqiptare per ndertimin e kombit shqiptar. Ai e kthehu pavaresine ne leter ne 28 nentor 1912 ne nje realitet te prekshem. Ai ia doli me sukses qe tu tregoje shqiptareve se cdo te thote shtet.

Shteti demokratik i Ahmet Zogut ishte hapi i pare i hedhur perpara ne ceshtjen tone kombetare.

Albo

[AsgjëSikurDielli]

Sa nga ju e dine se Ahmet Zogu dhe "ushtria" e tij patrullonin bashke me jugosllavet ne brendi te Kosoves, afer Junikut, duke kerkuar Isa Boletinin e Hasan Prishtinen?

Sa nga ju e dini se 4000 ushtaret qe i "mblodhi" Zogu derisa ishte ne hotel Bristol te Beogradit, ishin serbe te veshur si shqiptare?

Sa nga ju e dini se, politika komuniste e faljes se Kosoves serbeve, erdh si tradite nga Ahmet Zogu?

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Ahmet zogu ishte per shqiperine e keqja me e dobishme qe i ndodhi vendit ne ato perjudha turbullire.

Un per vete i hek kapelen per krijimin e te parit shtet modern shqiptar.
I kreditoj aftesite menaxhuese ne fushen e ekonomise duke pare se monedha shqiptare e Zogut kishte fuqi te konsiderueshme.
Plus cifligjet nuk ju preken pronareve.

E keqja e tij pervec faktit qe vodhi thesarin e shtetit ishte per mendimin tim politika nderkombetare e cila demtoi shqiperine edhe pas ikjes se tij. U afrua shume me italianet edhe dihet si rrodhi historia.

[Albo]

Postuar më parë nga AsgjëSikurDielli
Sa nga ju e dine se Ahmet Zogu dhe "ushtria" e tij patrullonin bashke me jugosllavet ne brendi te Kosoves, afer Junikut, duke kerkuar Isa Boletinin e Hasan Prishtinen?

Luigj Gurakuqi, Hasan Prishtina, Bajram Curri, ajo qe u shit si "shtresa borgjeze", vishnin kostume "alla-frenga" qe u vinin nga Italia dhe Tajar Zavalani i mbiquan ne kujtimet e tij "filo-italiane" qe perfaqesonin interesat italiane ne vend. Bajram Curri bridhte mbi kale me kostum dhe me nje fron qe e mbante ngarkuar mbi kale, ne menyre qe kur te ulej ne sofren e malesoreve, te mos ulej ne toke sic e kisha tradita por ne fron, keshtu qe te mos i ndotej kostumi alla-freng.

Ahmet Zogu i rigrupoi forcat e tij ne Jugosllavi pas ardhjes se revolucionit fshataresko-borgjez te 19924 ne fuqi me kryeminister Nolin, por ndihmen per te ardhur ne pushtet nuk e mori nga shteti jugosllav, por nga Mbreteria e Bashkuar e Britanise se Madhe. Armet dhe frangat e arit me te cilat Zogu financoi kryengritjen erdhen nga Londra dhe jo nga qeveria e Beogradit. Ne kohen qe Ahmet Zogu ka qene ne pushtet ne Shqiperi, ministri i jashte anglez ka patur vilen e tij ne Durres.

Sa nga ju e dini se 4000 ushtaret qe i "mblodhi" Zogu derisa ishte ne hotel Bristol te Beogradit, ishin serbe te veshur si shqiptare?

Ahmet Zogu nuk ka qene burre dosido, ka qene burre zakoni dhe nderi. Ai asnjehere nuk ka kaleruar ne krye te asnje ushtrie te huaj, ka kaleruar vetem ne krye te matianeve qe edhe sot e kesaj dite ia mbajne besen familjes mbreterore. Ahmet Zogu eshte legjende jo vetem per shqiptaret qe jetuan ne kohen e tij, por per te gjithe te huajt qe e njohen nga afer.

Sa nga ju e dini se, politika komuniste e faljes se Kosoves serbeve, erdh si tradite nga Ahmet Zogu? [/B]

Kur Ahmet Zogu ishte ne pushtet, shqiptaret nga Kosova nuk ishin "refugjate" ne Shqiperi, por ishin deputete ne parlamentin shqiptar ne te cilin merrte pjese gjithe elita shqiptare e kohes.

Mund te nxjerresh shume fakte jashte nje konteksti, por kjo nuk e mohon dot faktin se Ahmet Zogu eshte i vetmi burre shqiptar qe ia doli qe ti beje shqiptaret shtet.

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Postuar më parë nga Albo

Mund te nxjerresh shume fakte jashte nje konteksti, por kjo nuk e mohon dot faktin se Ahmet Zogu eshte i vetmi burre shqiptar qe ia doli qe ti beje shqiptaret shtet.

bukur, sakte dhe konciz perifrazimi jot Albo

[AsgjëSikurDielli]

1. Ti kontekstin e temes nuk e cakton dot. Tema trajton figuren e Zogut, me te mirat e me te keqiat, dhe cdo qe i takon atij, apo lidhet me te, vlen te permendet.

2. Mos u mirr me veshjet e Bajram Currit, e mos i zbukuro ngjarjet duke u hedhur fjale tuat aty ketu. Me vone do te kapesh per veshjet e brendshme te Azem Bejtes, qe qenkan "alla frenga", e une nuk pyeta se a i njeh rrobat e Bajram Currit po te pyeta per ushtaret shkije ne "ushtrine" e Zogut. Edhe Zogu i kishte 30 Ndertesa Presidenciale (e mbreterore) "alla frenga" derisa populli vdiqte nga uria. Veshjet e Bajram Currit nuk jane teme ketu.

3. Per me teper lexo me poshte.


Shkeputur nga "Kosovo: A short history". Noel Malcolm, (pp. 275-278)

"By late May one prominent commentator in the Belgrade press was complaining that 'the hills are fuller than ever of brigands', and calling for a 'plan of action against brigands and against all Albanians in general'.*
A plan of action was in fact being formed. The government in Belgrade had been constantly irritated, ever since the start of the kacak rebellion, by the support given to these rebels from inside Albania itself. Several of the Kosovo activists there had achieved public positions. Hasan Prishtina had been elected to the Albanian parliament; another leading member of the Kosova Comittee, Hoxha Kadri, was Minister of Justice; and Bajram Curri became Minister of War in 1920.** The key to supressing the revolt in Kosovo, therefore, seemed to lie in controlling or neutralizing Albania. One proposed way of gaining leverage was to seize Shkodra the moment Allied troops were withdrawn from it in early 1920 but this planned Yugoslav action was forestalled by the energetic young Albanian Minister of the Interior, Ahmet Zogolli (he later removed the suffix, ‘olli’ – The Turkish ‘oglu’, ‘son of’ – and became simply Zog), who immediately occupied the city. So in the summer of 1921 the Yugoslav government revived the old Montonegrin tactic of manipulating the Catholic Malesi: it persuaded one of the leaders of Mirdita to go to war against the Albanian state. This he did in July, when a telegram, ostensibly sent by him from Prizren but almost certainly prepared by the Yugoslav authorities, was circulated by the Yugoslav Press Bureau, proclaiming (yet again) a ‘Mirdita Republic’. In an initial campaign Zogolli’s forces drove him off into Yugoslavia; but he came back, supported by Yugoslav troops (together with members of General Wrangel’s White Russian army, who had settled in Yugoslavia and were paid by Belgrade), and retook a large are of north-eastern Albania. At this point the Great Powers, whose peace conference was still under way, decided that the Albanian-Yugoslav border must be settled as quickly as possible. A formal Albanian request made in the previous year to transfer Prizren, Gjakova and Peja to Albania was disregarded, ad the line was finally drawn in October with the exception of a substantial area to the south and west of Prizren which was transferred to Yugoslavia.***
One by-product of this speedy settlemen of the frontier question was that a ‘demilitarized zone’ was set up on the western fringe of Kosovo, centring on the village of Junik (south of Peja and north-west of Gjakova). This became a haven for Azem Bejta and many other kacaks, who used is not only as a refuge but also as a base for other operations in 1922. But although this neutral zone gave the rebels what seemed to Belgrade like an unfair advantage (it was in fact heavily attacked by the Yugoslav army in June 1922), its existence may in fact have weakened the kacaks’ operations by localizing them and cutting them off, to some extent, from their supporters elsewhere. More decisive in undermining the kacak movement, however, was a political upheaval in Albania. The Kosovo politicians fell out with Zogolli at the end of 1921: Hasan Prishtina, who became Prime Minister of Albania in December, tried to dismiss Zogolli but had to resign himself when Zogolli quickly marched on Tirana with his troops. Two months later he almost turned the tables on Zogolli, when he and Curri brought their own army to Tirana: fighting started in the streets, and Zogolli’s men seemed to be losing, when the British envoy, Sir Harry Eyres, succeeded in persuading one of Prishtina’s commanders to withdraw his men, This feat of diplomacy saved Zogolli,but was fatal to the long term interests of the kacaks in Kosovo.****
Zogolli had by now become a sworn enemy of all the Kosovo rebels and irredentists. He put Azem Bejta on trial in absentia and had him sentenced to death; and at the end of January 1923 he sent the Albanian army into the Junik ‘Neutral Zone’, driving out all the kacaks and setting up joint Albanian-Yugoslav patrols to stop them from coming back. The kacak movement was seriously weakened now, and there was a wave of surrenders to both national authorities during the summer of that year. Azem Bejta himself negotiated a Bese with the local authorities of his home district, under which he was allowed to live undisturbed so long as he stayed within a group of three villages; meanwhile a few of his comrades continues their activities elsewhere in Kosovo. This arrangement continued until the summer of 1924, when conditions were once again changed by political events in Albania. Zogolli (now called Zog) was driven from power by an alliance of his opponents, including Bajram Curri; he withdrew into Yugoslavia, and took up residence in the Hotel Bristol in Belgrade; and the Yugoslav authorities, fearing that the new pro-Kosovar regime in Albania would reactivate the kacaks, moved quickly to eliminate Azem Bejta. In a surprise attack on his village they killed most of him men and wounded his severely; he escaped to a cave at the mountains, but died there on July 25. A few of his followers continued to fight during the rest of the year, but in December Zog returned to Albania at the head of a force of 2,000 Yugoslav soldiers (dressed as Albanians) and 800 Russian mercenaries, and regained power. Bajram Curri was hunted down and killed in the following spring. Almost the last active kacak leader in Kosovo was Shota, Azem Bejta’s widow: she kept up the fight until 1927, when, badly wounded, she crossed over into Albania and died there, ages only thirty-two.*****”



1*- PRO FO 371/5725/7856 and 11284, Eyres Report, Durres, 16 Apr. (first quotation) and Young Report, Belgrade, 25 May (quoting article by Jovan Cirkovic, Politika, 23 May); Rushiti, Levizja, p.171, (Bejta Return).

2**- Kaleshi, ‘Hasan Prishtina’, p. 448; Fischer, King Zog, p.20 (Kadri); Dogo, Kosovo, p.113 (Curri).

3***- Fischer, King Zog, pp.20 (Shkodra), 28-9 (Mirdita)

4****- Fischer, King Zog, pp. 32-7.

5*****- Rushiti, Levizja, pp.187-221 (death sentence, neutral zone, bese, death of Azem), 233 (Curri), 239 (Shota).

[Albo]

ASD, ne kete forum do te gjesh te publikuara mbi 200 faqe informacion mbi fakte historike nga burime nga me te ndryshmet, me vleresime nga me te ndryshmet mbi jeten dhe vepren e Mbretit Zog si ne Shqiperi edhe kur u largua prej saj. I gjen keto te gjitha ne forumin e historise dhe plot debate jane bere rreth tyre.

Ketu jemi tek "Elita Kombetare" ku nuk hapet debat historik, hidhet mendimi qe ti ke per figuren e Ahmet Zogut ne kompleksitetin e vet.

Une mendimin tim e dashe, ti mund te japesh tendin duke permbledhur me pak fjale mendimin tend.

Albo

[AsgjëSikurDielli]

Forumi i Elites Kombetare thote keshtu:

"Elita Kombëtare

Në këtë forum jeni të lutur të postoni materiale mbi figurat më të spikatura të historisë, letërsisë, artit, shkencës, pra me një fjalë, elitës së kombit shqiptar brënda dhe jashtë kufijve."

Postimi im thote keshtu:

Shkeputur nga "Kosovo: A short history". Noel Malcolm, (pp. 275-278)

"By late May one prominent commentator in the Belgrade press was complaining that 'the hills are fuller than ever of brigands', and calling for a 'plan of action against brigands and against all Albanians in general'.*
A plan of action was in fact being formed. The government in Belgrade had been constantly irritated, ever since the start of the kacak rebellion, by the support given to these rebels from inside Albania itself. Several of the Kosovo activists there had achieved public positions. Hasan Prishtina had been elected to the Albanian parliament; another leading member of the Kosova Comittee, Hoxha Kadri, was Minister of Justice; and Bajram Curri became Minister of War in 1920.** The key to supressing the revolt in Kosovo, therefore, seemed to lie in controlling or neutralizing Albania. One proposed way of gaining leverage was to seize Shkodra the moment Allied troops were withdrawn from it in early 1920 but this planned Yugoslav action was forestalled by the energetic young Albanian Minister of the Interior, Ahmet Zogolli (he later removed the suffix, ‘olli’ – The Turkish ‘oglu’, ‘son of’ – and became simply Zog), who immediately occupied the city. So in the summer of 1921 the Yugoslav government revived the old Montonegrin tactic of manipulating the Catholic Malesi: it persuaded one of the leaders of Mirdita to go to war against the Albanian state. This he did in July, when a telegram, ostensibly sent by him from Prizren but almost certainly prepared by the Yugoslav authorities, was circulated by the Yugoslav Press Bureau, proclaiming (yet again) a ‘Mirdita Republic’. In an initial campaign Zogolli’s forces drove him off into Yugoslavia; but he came back, supported by Yugoslav troops (together with members of General Wrangel’s White Russian army, who had settled in Yugoslavia and were paid by Belgrade), and retook a large are of north-eastern Albania. At this point the Great Powers, whose peace conference was still under way, decided that the Albanian-Yugoslav border must be settled as quickly as possible. A formal Albanian request made in the previous year to transfer Prizren, Gjakova and Peja to Albania was disregarded, ad the line was finally drawn in October with the exception of a substantial area to the south and west of Prizren which was transferred to Yugoslavia.***
One by-product of this speedy settlemen of the frontier question was that a ‘demilitarized zone’ was set up on the western fringe of Kosovo, centring on the village of Junik (south of Peja and north-west of Gjakova). This became a haven for Azem Bejta and many other kacaks, who used is not only as a refuge but also as a base for other operations in 1922. But although this neutral zone gave the rebels what seemed to Belgrade like an unfair advantage (it was in fact heavily attacked by the Yugoslav army in June 1922), its existence may in fact have weakened the kacaks’ operations by localizing them and cutting them off, to some extent, from their supporters elsewhere. More decisive in undermining the kacak movement, however, was a political upheaval in Albania. The Kosovo politicians fell out with Zogolli at the end of 1921: Hasan Prishtina, who became Prime Minister of Albania in December, tried to dismiss Zogolli but had to resign himself when Zogolli quickly marched on Tirana with his troops. Two months later he almost turned the tables on Zogolli, when he and Curri brought their own army to Tirana: fighting started in the streets, and Zogolli’s men seemed to be losing, when the British envoy, Sir Harry Eyres, succeeded in persuading one of Prishtina’s commanders to withdraw his men, This feat of diplomacy saved Zogolli,but was fatal to the long term interests of the kacaks in Kosovo.****
Zogolli had by now become a sworn enemy of all the Kosovo rebels and irredentists. He put Azem Bejta on trial in absentia and had him sentenced to death; and at the end of January 1923 he sent the Albanian army into the Junik ‘Neutral Zone’, driving out all the kacaks and setting up joint Albanian-Yugoslav patrols to stop them from coming back. The kacak movement was seriously weakened now, and there was a wave of surrenders to both national authorities during the summer of that year. Azem Bejta himself negotiated a Bese with the local authorities of his home district, under which he was allowed to live undisturbed so long as he stayed within a group of three villages; meanwhile a few of his comrades continues their activities elsewhere in Kosovo. This arrangement continued until the summer of 1924, when conditions were once again changed by political events in Albania. Zogolli (now called Zog) was driven from power by an alliance of his opponents, including Bajram Curri; he withdrew into Yugoslavia, and took up residence in the Hotel Bristol in Belgrade; and the Yugoslav authorities, fearing that the new pro-Kosovar regime in Albania would reactivate the kacaks, moved quickly to eliminate Azem Bejta. In a surprise attack on his village they killed most of him men and wounded his severely; he escaped to a cave at the mountains, but died there on July 25. A few of his followers continued to fight during the rest of the year, but in December Zog returned to Albania at the head of a force of 2,000 Yugoslav soldiers (dressed as Albanians) and 800 Russian mercenaries, and regained power. Bajram Curri was hunted down and killed in the following spring. Almost the last active kacak leader in Kosovo was Shota, Azem Bejta’s widow: she kept up the fight until 1927, when, badly wounded, she crossed over into Albania and died there, ages only thirty-two.*****”



1*- PRO FO 371/5725/7856 and 11284, Eyres Report, Durres, 16 Apr. (first quotation) and Young Report, Belgrade, 25 May (quoting article by Jovan Cirkovic, Politika, 23 May); Rushiti, Levizja, p.171, (Bejta Return).

2**- Kaleshi, ‘Hasan Prishtina’, p. 448; Fischer, King Zog, p.20 (Kadri); Dogo, Kosovo, p.113 (Curri).

3***- Fischer, King Zog, pp.20 (Shkodra), 28-9 (Mirdita)

4****- Fischer, King Zog, pp. 32-7.

5*****- Rushiti, Levizja, pp.187-221 (death sentence, neutral zone, bese, death of Azem), 233 (Curri), 239 (Shota).