Momente nga LIIB (Debate mbi forcat pjesemarrese ne te)

[Dr. JaCkLe]

First of all i would like to cammend you all for reading about our history since in my opinion very little people do, epecialy the young generations.

Second also leshator u stated the following "Most German observers agreed that without pro-German clans of northern Albania, the northern route- the only way out- would have been closed to the Germans. [/B] " I must agrea with Eni, i have read some books on our history and based on what i have read, although i have yet to read Albania at War 1939-1944. Still from what i have ready, the northern clans didn't have any weapons, because of Zogu haveing confiscated the weapons before the second world war, and when Gjon Marka Gjoni pleaded to Zog to be given weapons to protect Albania, Zogu refused fearing that Gjon Marka Gjoni would try and take power. so the northern clans all but the Mati Clan to which Zogu had no way of protecting them self's when ww2 began.

third of all, from what i have read, the Ballista and Zogista, unlike the Commies were no fighting because they wanted to save they full force for the end of the war when all the factions would make a run for the power. Also u said that if the northerners wished to stop the germans they would have. thats not true, because if that was true than why did Merdita one of the most notorious Northern tribes let the Communists destroy the Castle if u will call it of Gjon Marka Gjoni, because they had no weapons to fight with.

my next point is that it was not easy to uprise against the Germans since they had adapted the Italian system of subduing the local popules, which was to kill 500 locals for every german killed. with this law in place the Ballista and Zogista were not willing to jepordize the lives of our people so as to weaken the envidable, which was the reatreat of the germans from Albania. However the Communist party on the other had did not care what happened to the locals, thanks to them several villages were in fact wipped out by the germans.

by the way all my information i got from the book "The Albanians A Modern History By Miranda Vickers." its a great book u recomend it.

[Zarathustra.]

Dr Jackle

Sipas Fischer, Kupi ka lozur nje loje "terhiq e mos e keput". Ka marre ndihma dhe municione nga te dyja anet. Gjithmone sipas tij, anglezet e pelqyen shume Kupin pasi ai ishte i djathte, dhe monarkist, dhe e toleruan ate me shume se cdo toleronin cdo grup tjeter. Ne thelb sipas autorit Anglezet iu luten, iu pergjeruan e bile e moren si ndihmes edhe ne aksionet e tyre sabotuese kunder gjermaneve vetem e vetem qe ai te dukej sikur te luftonte dhe qe ministria e jashtme britanike te jepte Ok-in per nje mbeshtetje masive te Kupit. Kupi kurre nuk i kenaqi dhe nuk i plotesoi kushtet a mbeshtetjes se anglezeve.

Por ai ishte edhe "kopil' e diplomat e i luajti te dyja palet. Sa here qe ai ndihmonte gjermanet, kurre nuk shkonte vet ne krye te njerezve te tij. Edhe ne ftesat qe gjermanet i kane bere per bisedime, Kupi gjithmone nuk eshte prezantuar vet, per tu mosdiskriminuar hapur si bashkpunetor, sic beri Balli.

Markagjoni nuk kishte as kapacitetin dhe as potencialin per te luftuar ushtrine e Hoxhes, por ai kishte arme. Ishte miniter i brendshem ne kohen e Italise dhe bashkpunoi fare hapur me Gjermanin. Ne kohen e italise ai armatosi shume Mirditore e i dergoi ne Jug per te shtypur rezistencen.


"my next point is that it was not easy to uprise against the Germans since they had adapted the Italian system of subduing the local popules, which was to kill 500 locals for every german killed. with this law in place the Ballista and Zogista were not willing to jepordize the lives of our people so as to weaken the envidable, which was the reatreat of the germans from Albania. However the Communist party on the other had did not care what happened to the locals, thanks to them several villages were in fact wipped out by the germans."

This doesnt make any sense. Civilian masacres were mostly in south, where the resistance was strong, and thus they were mostly the families of the partisans,..... and you say that the partisans didnt care about the lives of their families??
Second thing is that, have you seen a war of liberaltion where the enemy was soft and gentle with you?? How much sense does it make to say "Oh i dont want to go to war, cause they are going to kill me and my people". Of course they are, that is war.

This is the theory of Balli and the collaborationists all around the world, who didnt want to fight and sacrifice for their own country.


Do te rekomandoja nje liber tjeter per shqiptaret. "Albanians; From prehistoric times to the present" i Edwin Jacques, studimi ndoshta me i detajuar i shqiptareve dhe i historise se tyre nga nje i huaj. Do shikosh aty se si autori eleminimin e klaneve bajraktare anti-shtet dhe anti-komb sic ishte ai i Markagjoneve e konsideron si nje nga 10 detyrat historike te cilat ngriheshin perballe Hoxhes.

[Orku]

Postuar më parë nga Leshator
Ne thelb sipas autorit Anglezet iu luten, iu pergjeruan e bile e moren si ndihmes edhe ne aksionet e tyre sabotuese kunder gjermaneve vetem e vetem qe ai te dukej sikur te luftonte dhe qe ministria e jashtme britanike te jepte Ok-in per nje mbeshtetje masive te Kupit. Kupi kurre nuk i kenaqi dhe nuk i plotesoi kushtet a mbeshtetjes se anglezeve.

Me fal po keta anglezet sipas Fisherit i bie qe te kene vepruar jo si te derguarit e Anglise ne Shqiperi por si perfaqesuesit e Kupit.

[Dr. JaCkLe]

Leshator

First of all many Albanians such as the ballista and zogista fought with the germans to drive out the communist who they saw as more of a threat, as well as there were merceneries. i have read several books and none mention that merdita sent many warriors to fight for the german. but i will read the book u recomended.

" This doesnt make any sense. Civilian masacres were mostly in south, where the resistance was strong, and thus they were mostly the families of the partisans,..... and you say that the partisans didnt care about the lives of their families?? "
how does it not make sence i'm saying that the ballista were not willing to fight the germans who were going to leave since the war was being lost on all fronts, at the expense of the locals. also u said that the mojority of the people killed were family members of the partisan. My grandfather was a partisan and first of all he didn't think much of them and second of all his family was never harmed nor did he mention of any familys being masacered, but maybe i'm wrong. also my fathers uncle who is dead now and was a partisan against the communists once told me a story of how some one hundred men were killed because a man had killed a german officer. so German just killed indicremently and if this happens how can the mojority of the masacers be that of the families of the partisans.

" Second thing is that, have you seen a war of liberaltion where the enemy was soft and gentle with you?? How much sense does it make to say "Oh i dont want to go to war, cause they are going to kill me and my people". Of course they are, that is war."
True, there are always losses in a war, but this is not a free for all masacer on the local populations, these things are only common to the Slavs, Greeks, and other cowerds and honerless dogs.

also u said this was what the balli and other collabortations around the world said, who didn't want to fight. if it were not for the Americans entering the war an uprising would be suicide in places such as Albania, where one is as good as dead. once America entered the war and the Soviets started fighting it was clear that the war was being won and why losse people pointlessly to idiotic attacks that will not make a difference. Don't tell me you are one of those people who believes that at the end of the war Albania or should i say the communist party had 70,000 soldiers under its cammand. don't make me laugh. that shit is and was nothing more than communist propaganda. trust me i had family fighting for and against the communists.

Another thing why should have Albania have fought against the Germans, ok the Italians but the germans, why fight when the north and Kosova were experinceing freedom, Kosova alone had two SS devisions and was benefiting and revenging the deaths of our forefathers under the help of the Germans.

[Zarathustra.]

Dr Jackle

Ballistat dhe Zogistat mund te shikonin si kercenim ke te kishin qejf ne shqiperi, kjo sdo te thote qe ata i sherbyen atij kombi sidomos duke u kthyer ne pararoje e xhandarit te huaj per te vrare kundershtaret e tyre. Vizioni i tyre i Shqiperise se Madhe nuk e justifikon bashkpunimin me Gjermanin per te vrare shqiptare.
Ballistat dhe ZOgistat nuk mund te fshihen kurre nen rrogozin e pretendimit se Gjermanet po vrisnin civile. Nqs atyre u thimbseshin keta civile, atehere le te mos luftonin fare, por jo te rreshtoheshin krah per krah me Gjermanin. Ky justifikim eshte sa qesharak po aq edhe hipokrit.


Sigurisht qe Shqiptaret nuk e mposhtnin dot Gjermanine te vetem, kjo s'do te thote se ata nuk duhet te rezistonin. Civilet edhe pse te masakruar e te djegur nga gjermani prape mbeshtesnin, ushqenin dhe strehonin ushtrine e Hoxhes.

Shqiptari jo vetem qe tere jeten ka luftuar edhe pse eshte vrare dhe masakruar si ne ate kohe, por ka qene pikerisht rezistenca pertej dhimbjes dhe vuajtjes qe e ka themeluar esencen e ekzistences per ne si komb. Ne vertetuam fare mire me kete lufte, se ne nuk jemi popull qe ekziston per hir te miresise, meshires apo simpatise se tjetrit.

It is true we were no match for the Germans, but we did respond to the historical responsibility of resisting a destructive and regresive order such as nazism, (even though we went through e lot of suffering and sacrifice) and place our people and our country in a winning coalition.

Hoxha nuk kishte 70 mije por me sakte rreth 71 800 luftetare. Kete shifer e pohojne edhe vet Anglezet bile edhe Gjermanet, megjithese pak me te ulet. Sigurisht reth 15 000 nga keta ishin partizane te oreve te fundit qe ushtria e Hoxhes i mobilizoi me force, mbas Kongresit te Permetit. Por nuk duhet te harrojme se kjo ishte ushtria me mbarekombetare, me e organizuar, disiplinuar dhe moderne, qe nga koha e Skenderbeut. Ushtri mosha mesatare e se ciles ishte 24 vjec, e mbushur me patriote, nacionaliste e intelektuale nga e gjithe shqiperia.


"Another thing why should have Albania have fought against the Germans, ok the Italians but the germans, why fight when the north and Kosova were experinceing freedom, Kosova alone had two SS devisions and was benefiting and revenging the deaths of our forefathers under the help of the Germans"


Kjo eshte pyetje esenciale besoj. Shqiptaret kishin pergjegjesi hsitorike te luftonin kunder nazizmit ne kete lufte. Krijimi i ushtrise e Hoxhes dhe rezistenca anti-naziste ishte jo thjesht nje nevoje por domosdoshmeri jetike per ne si komb. Dhe ja pse.

During the WWI Albania was a neutral country. Several armies walked in and out Albania doing as they pleased with its territorial integrity. In essence they considered Albania as an unimportant entity, as a nation non-person. Even though as i said we were neutral, in the 1919 Peace Conference in Paris, Albania was split without any regard, between Greece, Italy and Serbia. It was only the interference of american president Wilson, who vetoed the decision that saved us. Strangely Wilson for this decision was influenced by Albanian lobbyist in America especially from Fan Noli, who today is regarded as "communist". Noli's lobbying was so powerfull and efective that he even had a tate-a-tat meeting with Wilson in Camp David several weeks before Wilson left for Europe.

So historically we were burned once because we vegetated when we should have acted and organized. In this context to think that what happend in 1919 wouldnt happen again is not only naive, but it would have been a dangerous gamble with the fate of a nation. If Albania would have been neutral during WWII, according to history and practical facts, we could have very well turn ourselves into a perfect pray for the Serbians and Greeks who were in the winning coalition. Let alone what would have happened if we would have been considered an Axis ally. So without Hoxha's army, could you tell me what would have stoped Tito's army with 1 million fighters and the Greek army to march to Tirana?? Would have been Balli, Zogista or the "bajraktars". Come on this is rediculous.

And if you think there was no danger, think twice, think 1949, when Greeks attacked in south and were defeated from exactly that army that resisted the Germans during the WWII.

The independet status that Kosova enjoyed under the Nazis was one with no future and no reality. It was something very artifical, just to show the "good intentions" of the Germans. But for people with vision and prespective a Kosova under Nazi protection was only a desperate dream. Who trusted in that was an idealist more stupid than the communists.
Please dont mention the albanian SS cause they are the greatest shame of our nation. Read Fisher and see how Germans thought of these albanians, as a bunch of cowards, ready to attack only if there was something to steal, rob and rape. One German officer went so far to consider its batalions as units filled with pederasts (he uses exactly this word "pedersat"). So problematic was SS Scanderbeg behaviour that the Germans even arrested and jailed in germany several albanian officers of the division.

[Eni]

Leshator:
Do te rekomandoja nje liber tjeter per shqiptaret. "Albanians; From prehistoric times to the present" i Edwin Jacques, studimi ndoshta me i detajuar i shqiptareve dhe i historise se tyre nga nje i huaj. Do shikosh aty se si autori eleminimin e klaneve bajraktare anti-shtet dhe anti-komb sic ishte ai i Markagjoneve e konsideron si nje nga 10 detyrat historike te cilat ngriheshin perballe Hoxhes.

Mqs u permend libri i Jacques.

Ne perkthimin shqip te ketij libri ne fq 460 shkruhet tekstualisht:

Qe prej fillimit strategjia komuniste ishte fshehja e identitetit te tyre marksist prapa nje "fronti" asnjeanes dhe theksimi i nacionaliszmit dhe patriotizmit te tyre. Prandaj me rekomandim te keshilltareve jugosllave, kreret e PKSH thirren me 16 shtator 1942 nje konference te fshehte ne Peze "pikerisht nen hunden e armikut". Qellimi i tyre imediat ishte koordinimi dhe zgjerimi i çetave te shumta qe luftonin kunder italianeve. Nekete menyre ata krijuan njeorganizate fronti, qe e quajten shkurt LNÇ. Aty ishin te ftuar te gjithe kreret nacionaliste te vendit. Ndonese LNÇ perfshiu disa nga kreret jokomuniste per te qetesuar drojen enjerezve, postet kryesore u zune nga komunistet. Shume nga keta krere e shpallnin veten si patriote, duke mohuar me force dhe boterisht çdo lidhje me komunizmin....



Fq 462 - 463:

Deri ne mesin e 1943 pati njefare bashkepunimi mes Ballit Kombetar te Mit'hat Frasherit dhe udheheqjes komuniste te LNÇ, mirepo asnjera uk kishte besim tek njera-tjetra. Balli akuzonte udheheqesit komuniste te LNÇ se ishin agjente sovjetike, se pa pike meshire e kishin shnderruar popullsine civile ne viktime te raprezaljeve fashiste dhe te shkaterrimeve te panevojshme te prones se tyre, dhe se nuk kishin besim tek aleanca me PKJ. Udheheqesit komuniste akuzonin ata te Ballit per bashkepunim me fashistet, perperhapjen e genjeshtrave rreth taktikave te luftes komuniste dhe qellimet e pasluftes, si dhe per dyshimin qe hidhnin rreth moralit te femrave partizane.....

.... Per te zbutur tensionin dhe per te gjetur nje formule per veprime te perbashket kunder armikut te njejte, ne prill 1943 ne Shqiperi hyri nga Greqia nje mision komandosh britanike, i kryesuar nga koloneli Nil Meklin. Ne korrik ky mision organizoi ne Mukje... nje konference te perbashket, ku moren pjese 12 udheheqes nga te dy grupet. Pas nje debati te zjarrte, ata arriten ne nje marreveshje me 1-2 gusht 1943, pikerisht ne kohen kur morren lajmin e rezimit te Musolinit... Marreveshja e Mukjes shprehej per nje aleance kunder trupave fashiste, per nje shtet etnik shqiptar, ku te perfshiheshin krahinat shqiptare te Çamerise ne Greqi dhe ndofta "Kosmet"- i(KOsova e Metohija) qe ndodhej ne Jugosllavi, por qe ndodhej e pushtuar nga italianet qe prej 1941, si dhe per zgjedhje te lira pas lufte, per te vendosur formen e ardhshme te qeverisjes. Anetaret e Ballit u gezuan, kurse keshilltaret e perhershem jugosllave u zemeruan me çeshtjen e Kosoves. Ata i akuzuan negociatoret e LNÇ si tradhetare dhe oportuniste. Enver Hoxha i paditi per kapitullim te plote para Ballit dhe e kundershtoi kategorikisht marreveshjen me nacionalistet.

... Me 4 shtator 1943 LNÇ thirri ne Labinot KOnferencen II NÇ. Aty u hodh poshte mnarreveshja e Mukjes dhe u shpall lufta per asgjesimin e te gjithe anetareve te Ballit, duke i demaskuar keta si "armiq te popullit"

... Enver Hoxha ne tetor nxorri e shperndau nje qarkore ne te gjitha komitetet krahinore te PK. Ne te kundershtohej nderhyrja britanike ne punet e brendshme te Shqiperise. Ai shprehej: "E dime kush jane anglo-amerikanet, dhe per asnje çast mos harroni se ata jane kapitaliste, jane kunder komunizmit, kunder socializmit... "


......Ne nentor 1943 major Abaz Kupi, qe deri ne Mukje kishte qene anetar i Kehsillit Qendror te LNÇ, u terhoq se bashku me disa te tjere per te formuar Legalitetin... Kupi ishte nje prijes i respektuar gege, i cili kishte komanduar trupat e mbretit Zog ne mbrojtje te Portit te Durresit nga pushtimi italian. Pasi u kthye nga mergimi ne Turqi, ai organizoi malesoret ne nje njesi rezistence, e cila u bashkua me LNÇ ne vitin 1942. Ndonese nuk ishte komunist ai u zgjodh anetar i Keshillit Qendror dhe delegat i KOnferences se Mukjes. Pas denoncimit te marreveshjes se Mukjes nga Hoxha, Kupi dhe forcat e tij u terhoqen nga LNÇ dhe ne Zall-Herr ... krijoi Levizjen e Legalitetit. Pervec debimit te fashisteve, ata propozuan edhe rivendosjen e monarkise konstitucionale. Ashtu si Balli dhe keta te ashtuquajturit "monarkiste" u vunen nen shenjestren e zemerimit komunist....


Fq. 464:

... LNÇ klasifikonte si "armiq te popullit" trupat naziste gjermane dhe patriotet shqiptare qe benin pjese ne levizjet e Ballit & Legalitetit. Ne te vertete, shumekush e shihte se mania e LNÇ kishte te bente më shume me asgjesimin e nacionalisteve shqiptare jokomuniste, se sa me debimin e nazisteve gjermane....

..... Njerezit e tij (Meklinit), te te ashtuquajturit Misioni anglez, ne fillim vendosen lidhje me partizanet komuniste te Hoxhes dhe instaluan radiotransmetues per komunikim me shtabin ushtarak britanik. Shpejt ata u binden se partizanet e Hoxhes ishin te interesuar kryesisht per sigurimin e ndihmave ushtarake nga englezet dhe per asgjesimin e grupeve te tjera shqiptare te rezistences. Kjo bindje e tyre ngjalli zemerimin e Hoxhes. Kur ky i fundit mori vesh se me vone ata i kishin caktuar prane nje grupi tjeter (Kupit {shiko Bijte e Shqipes te Julian Emerit} - shen. eni), u xhindos dhe urdheroi trupat e tij te kapnin komandot britanike e , madje, t'i vrisnin, nese benin qendrese.....



Besoj se nga keto rradhe del qarte se sa i "jashtezakonshme" ka qene kontributi i Hoxhes e partizaneve te tij ne debimin e fashisto-gjermaneve.
Pikesynimi i tij kryesore ka qene vrasja prara shpine e nacionalsiteve shqiptare, ne menyre per te siguruar pushtetin pas lufte. Kjo duket qarte nga vendimet qe mori Kongresi i Permetit i 24 Majit 1944, ku u shpall hapur lufta civile dhe fronti na u kthye ne qeveri te perkohshme.
Premtimet per zgjedhje te lira pas lufte kish kohe qe i kish marre era, dhe perfundimi eshte se komunistat shqiptare gjate luftes kishin vetem nje qellim ardhjen ne pushtet me çdo mjet e menyre. Per kete organizuan nje propagande buje-madhe kundra nacionalistave shqiptare si Kupi, Frasheri, etj,.
Propadanda komuniste dhe historiografia e kuqe e periudhes komuniste ne Shqiperi per 40 vjet me rradhe u ka rene tambureve te kolaboracionizmit shqipta duke retushuar figurat patriotike shqiptare apo klerike te nderuar qe kane bere epope ne historine tone, me qellimin e vetem ngritjen ne qiell te kultit te Enverit dhe ç'rrenjosjen e kujeses shqiptare.
Mos harrojme p.sh. se pikerisht pas pushtimit fashist-italian, ne rradhet e organit kryesor françeskan ne Shqiperi, Hylli i Drites, u denua ky pushtim i Shqiperise. Jo me kot italianet e mbyllen revisten me 1941. Ndersa Enveri ne librat e tij denonte si bashkepunetor me fashistet Pater Fishten apo si kuisling, Pater Harapin e te tjera figura te nderuara klerikale si te krishtera e myslimane.

Per te vijuar me tej.
Si ka mundesi qe MacLean i ka derguar disa raporte qendres britanike ne Bari ku theksonte sulmet mbrapashpine te komunistave kundra nacionalisteve me qellim asgjesimin e ketyre te fundit?
Pse MacLean ishte dhe prane shtabit te Kupit, kur ky i fundit nga Fischer - apo Leshatori na cilesohen si mosluftues ne LIIB ndaj gjermanev apo italianeve, kur Abaz Kupi ishte figura kryesore e rezistences qe me 1939 ne Durres?

[Dr. JaCkLe]

Leshator:


your right there is no excuse to fight with the enemy to kill our own people, but if our traditions are to be destroyed as they were by the communists than what is the difference between a forgien invader and a communist with forgien ideology, who destroyes our traditions.
Also u forget that Germany gave Albania all the parts denied by the west and made it into Greater Albania.

you said nazism is regresive to whom?

" Kjo eshte pyetje esenciale besoj. Shqiptaret kishin pergjegjesi hsitorike te luftonin kunder nazizmit ne kete lufte. Krijimi i ushtrise e Hoxhes dhe rezistenca anti-naziste ishte jo thjesht nje nevoje por domosdoshmeri jetike per ne si komb. Dhe ja pse."

what is this even suppose to mean, what history, we have no history against the nazi's till WWII, and the communist were being put on and organized by the slav's for there benefet as much as ours. untill the slavs organized the commies there were no more than 700 fighters, on the commie party.

Fan Noli was a communist, he was the one who made Albania recognise the U.S.S.R. and i believe moren Lenins death.

first of all we burned because there was to much internal prablems with the nation and there were more internal intriegs than external ones. also because Albania and all it governments and rulers have benn plagued by one thing and were being plagued by the very thing at the time and that was no fainancial help by anyone.

Man what you are saying is rediculous. first of all if tito had a million man army than why did he requir 2 Albanian divisions to help him put down the Kosovars, oh because he didn't have a million man and because the Kosovars were well armed by the Germans, also the very same arms that serfaced in the late 90's when the UCK uprose again. so to take on Albania after the war would not have been something that would be considered a walk in the park.
and as for Hoxha parden my French but f*ck him he sold out Kosova at the end of the war when the deal with Tito was to give Kosova back. also if albania would have been nutral it could easly ask fro help from the allies especaily since it would be located in Axis territory, also Albania was part of organization such as the U.N. or League of Nations.

[Zarathustra.]

What traditions were destroyed?? Kanun? and Religion??

These two were responsible for the foundamental separation of Albanian people in centuries. Until Hoxha came to power, Gegs and Tosks, muslim and catholics never mixed anything with each other, because of these traditions. The "Republic Of Mirdita" and the separatis movement of Dom Loro Caka were essentially in the name of this tradition, because both of them couldnt stand being ruled by a Tosk or a myslum. Thats why you have to excuse me when I say f*ck these traditions.
Hoxha preserved the best of it. The worst and most coward part of Kanun was denied, like "hakamrrja" but not its best rules, like "besa", honesty, hospitality were all upheld as the "tip of the sword" morality of Albanians. Folklor, and songs for all heroes were sang everywhere. No exception, Gegs and Tosks.

Germany gave Albania parts of it, but that was a big lie for our reality, a drug effect, just to keep Albanians quite, and those who believed in e Greater Albania realised under a Nazi Germany were "dumber than a load of would", especially when they saw that Germany was fighting against America and England.

Nazism is a regresive system in itself, and to the world reality. There is no future in it, since it predicts a brutal way to achieve a brutal end, the cruel rule of some kind of self-proclaimed "superior" race. Communism was a lot more progresive than this, at least for the time. It did predict a brutal way, but for a peacefull end, where everyone lived in peace, harmony.

Komunistet i organizoi koha dhe sllavet ishin vetem menyra me te cilen ata e arriten kete organizim. Ushtrine e Hoxhes e organizoi, shpirti i rezistences se komunisteve qe luftuan xhandarin e huaj pa kushte.

Hoxha kurre nuk e shiti Kosoven. Jaques ne librin e tij do te thote perseri qe nje nga detyrat historike te kohes ishte lidhja me Jugosllavet per shume arsye. Se pari shefi i Jugosllavise ishte nje Kroat dhe jo nje serb. Se dyti vet ideologjia komuniste sherbente si mburoje per Hoxhen ndaj synimeve grabiqare te nacionalisteve serbe. Se treti Partia Komuniste Jugosllave e kishte miratuar jo nje por dy here panvaresine e Kosoves, ne 1928 dhe ne 1941 ne kongreset e saj. Me vone po keta nenshkruan marrveshjen e Bujanit ku Kosova kishte te drejten e vetvendosjes. Tito nuk iu permbajt ketij premtimi sepse serbet tashme ne kete parti ishin mjaft te fuqishem, por kjo nuk fajeson aspak Hoxhen. Se katerti Tito ashtu sic vrau nacionalistet shqiptare ne Kosove ashtu eleminoi edhe cetniket serbe te Draza Mihailovicit qe kishin terrorizuar kosovaret gjate viteve te luftes.

Cfare duhet te bente Hoxha per kosoven me shume se kaq, sidomos kur as vete shqiperia e sotme nuk i kishte kufijte e sigurte. Si ka mundesi qe Ahmet Zogu qe jo vetem nuk beri asgje per Kosoven, por e shiti fare hapur jo vetem Kosoven por te gjithe shqierine ne marrveshjen e tij, Zog-Pavic, te nderohet si burre i shquar kombi, kurse Hoxhes ti kerkohen qiqra ne hell. Hoxha nuk mund te conte ushtrine ne Kosove te luftonte ushtrine e Titos se ne rast humbje, Tito do marshonte edhe ne Tirane. Brigadad shqiptare kurre nuk luftuan me Kosovaret ne Kosove, dhe ndihma e Hoxhes ishte ne kuadrin e ndihmes reciproke, dhe ideologjise "vellazerore" te komunizmit internacional. Ishte koha e ideologjive, ku ne emer te tyre, patrioti vrau patriotin, bashkatdhetari vrau bashkatdhetarin, babai te birin, etj etj kudo ne bote. Tito nuk kishte nevoje per Hoxhen, "per say" dhe Tito kishte ushtri kaq te fuqishme, te armatosur dhe mireorganizuar saqe ne 44 bente lufte frontale me Gjermanet, ja pse Churchill dergoi djalin e vet si perfaqesusin e Anglise, dhe amerikanet ndihmuan me fushata te tera masive borbandimesh ushtrine e Titos.


Fan Noli nuk ishte sapak komunist, por liberal, i hapur ndaj cdo ideologjie dhe qe pranonte marrdhenie me te gjithe krahet e politikes. Ishte udheheqesi i revolucionit borgjez ne shqiperi, qe aplikoi dhe kerkoi te vinte ne jete mesimet e Revolucionit Francez. Komunizmi ne kohen e Nolit nuk ishte leng groshesh, por ishte ideologjia e shpreses se madhe dhe zgjidhja me progresiste dhe alternativa me e mire e kapitalizmit qe akoma kishte probleme madhore dhe qe shume shpejt do degjeneronte ne krize te thelle sic beri ne 29-31. Ne ate kohe askush nuk mund te parashikonte falimentimin e komunizmit dhe sot ne nuk mund ti gjykojme ata qe zgjodhen apo pranuan komunizmin, qe te pakten teorikisht ishte parajsa vet. You have to think in different terms, that are compatible with time mentality and social development. Noli ishte i diplomuar ne Harvard kur kundershtai i tij qe zbriti nga malet jo me 2 emisare serbe por me nje ushtri te tjere serbe, Ahmet Zogu qe ishte brumosur shkollave te Anatollise. They dont even compare.

[Actec]

Te nderuar mos te largohemi nga tema.
Sipas meje nga ato qe lexova prej jush dhe nga ato pak gjera
qe di mund te konkludoj:

1. Dera e kapidanit te Mirdites eshte nje dere e madhe ne krime.
Eshte qesharake te mendoj njeriu se populli i mirdites e zgjodhi vet kete dere qe ajo ti hipte ne qafe dhe te mos i zbriste dhe per me teper ne menyre demokratike. Kultura demokratike dhe sot
nuk eshte atje ku duhet ne Shqiperi le me kjo ne Mirdite.

2.Duket se nga kjo dere ka dale famekeqi , krimineli KANUN qe
dhe sot po ben hatara ne Shqiperi.Do te thote ndonjeri prej jush
qe ai ka sherbyer si kushtetute per zona te tera ( se per Shqiperine krejt nuk ka sherbyer asnjehere)dhe kjo s'eshte gje e pakte.Ashtu eshte ,por demet qe ai ka shkaktuar mendoj se jane SHUME SHUME here me te medha se te mirat.

3.Dera e kapidanit ka qene vegel here ne duart e serbit here te te tjereve duke mbajtur qendrime ekstreme antikombetare dhe nuk me kujtohet se kush nga patriotet shqiptar ngjarjet e 21-it i quante turpi i mirdites.Me duket se Lumo Skendua a ndonje tjeter.


4.Dhe se fundi kjo dere feudale ,kriminele pergjithesisht e perdori kanunin per qellime politike duke treguar se ç'vlere kishte per te ne te vertet kanuni duke vrare vajza te reja vetem se shkuan ne hekurudhe ,per te ndertuar apo per te mesuar shkrim e kendim
dhe qe ne fakt nuk dinin asgje per komunizmin sic pellasin dhe sot feudalet dhe kriminelet e ketij soji .

5.Dhe se fundi mendoj se kjo dere dhe te gjitha dyert e tjera te medha ne politiken shqiptare qe nga pushtimi osman e ketej jane
fajtore pergjithsisht per te mos thene teresisht
per ate çka vendi perjeton sot i ndare ne 5 shtete me 3 apo 13
fe te ndryshme dhe me nje civilizim oriental qe me keqardhje duhet pranuar qe ka mbytur vlerat autoktone qe me siguri duhet ti kemi pasur para pushtimit osman

[Eni]

(mqs flitet per primitivitetin e familjes kryesore mirditase po ju sjell ca rreshta mbi nje anetare te kesaj dere shqiptare)

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Marta Doda


Midis mijera grave shqiptare te arrestuara, te torturuara dhe te denuara padrejtesisht nga diktatura komuniste, Marta Doda, ze nje vend te veçante. Ajo luajti nje rol te rendesishem ne historine e Shqiperise gjate viteve 1902 – 1939. Kjo Madam de Stal e Shqiperise, lindi me 1884 ne nje nga familjet me fisnike te kombit shqiptar.Mbese e princit Bibë Dodes, u mekua qysh ne djep me dashurine per kombin dhe atdheun. U rrit ne ambjentet me te kulturuara te kohes dhe studimet e mesme i kreu ne Austri. Me 1902 qendis me fije ari flamurin kombetar, duke pasur bindjen e plote, se së shpejti ai do te valevitej ne trojet shqiptare. Njihet me njerezit me te shquar te çeshtjes kombetare shqiptare, si me Gjergj Fishten, Ndre Mjeden, Luigj Gurakuqin, Hil Mosin, etj. Zoteruese e pese gjuheve te huaja, ajo mban korespondence me personalitetet me te shquara boterore, duke perfshire dhe perandorin e Austro – Hungarise, Franz Jozefin. Mike e ngushte e Miss Durhamit, e shoqeron ate ne trojet veriore te Shqiperise dhe ia ben te njohura brengat shqiptare. Banesa e saj ne Shkoder shnderrohet ne nje seli ku beheshin takime jo vetem me eliten shqiptare, por dhe me konsujt e Evropes Perendimore me seli ne Shkoder dhe personalitete te huaja qe vizitonin trojet shqiptare. Atje bisedohej per problemet thelbesore te kombit shqiptar dhe çeshtjet nderkombetare.
Marta Doda ishte nje grua intelektuale e lidhur pazgjithshmerisht me lirine e kombit shqiptar. Ajo vuri ne sherbim te kombit te gjitha mundesite e saj fizike, intelektuale dhe financiare. Mbas shume perpjekjesh, ajo mundi te krijoje ne Shkoder qysh me 1912 te paren organizate te gruas shqiptare. Theu pengesat obskurantiste te kohes dhe u martua me mjekun e nderuar te besimit musliman, Ahmet Sadedinin, krijuesin e Kryqit te Kuq Shqiptar me 1912. Si keshilltare e mbretit Zog, ndikoi mbi monarkun per emancipimin e metejshem te gruas shqiptare. E lidhur si mishi me kocken me Atdheun, Marta Doda hodhi poshte te gjitha propozimet per t’u larguar nga Shqiperia me 1939 dhe me 1944, duke marre parasysh rreziqet qe e kercenonin ate dhe familjen e saj. Terrori i kuq, e kishte piketuar Marta Doden, per ta asgjesuar familjarisht. Qysh ne ditet e para te vendosjes se pushtetit komunist, arrestohet burri i saj 65 vjeçar, vajzes se vet Frida, mbaruar studimet ne Grac te Austrise dhe vete Martes i hodhen prangat ne fillim te 1947-s. Megjithese e moshuar, ate e torturojne mizorisht. Hetuesit e pashpirt, Vango Mitrojorgji, Thoma Karamelo dhe Xhavit Struga, perdoren mbi trupin e drobitur te Martes, torturat aziatike te huazuara nga UDB-ja jugosllave dhe GPU-ja ruse. Me dite te tera e mbajten varur ne çengela dhe te zhytur ne acarin e dimrit ne fuçira me uje te ftohte, per t’i marre pohimin se ishte agjente ne sherbim te zbulimit francez. Armiqte e kombit shqiptar qe ishin ne pushtet, i kishin vene detyre vetes per te zhdukur ata qe bene Shqiperine dhe sakrifikuan çdo gje per hir te kombit. Nente muaj ne qelite e hetuesise, e shnderruan Marta Doden, ne nje kufome te gjalle. Ajo me siguri do kishte vdekur, po te mos ishte kujdesur per te bashkevuajtesja, Jolanda Karbunara (Tafnizi), qe e trajtoi me teper se nje nene. Ate e denuan 12 vjet burgim. Kur pane se Marta Doda i kishte ditet e numeruara, Ministri i Brendshem, Kadri Hazbiu, urdheroi lirimin e saj, per ta kthyer ne simbol frikesimi per intelektualet, qe s’kishin rene akoma ne rrjeten e merimanges se kuqe. Ja ç’me tregon ish bashkevuajtesja e saj, Maria Medinica : “Zoti e kish pajisur Marta Doden, jo vetem me nje inteligjence natyrale, por dhe me nje bukuri te jashtme dhe te brendshme shpirterore. Marta rrezatonte miresi e zgjuaresi. Ajo ishte nderruar ne burg, ne simbol te qendreses per bashkevuajteset e saj. Fjalet e Martes ishin balsam per ne, per ta na mjekuar plaget, qe na dhimbnin. Emri i saj nuk ka per t’u harruar kurre”.


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