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  1. #1
    Perjashtuar
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    29-04-2002
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    Albanians, americans and french fuckers

    Te dashur patriota skipetare
    Ky ktu eshte njej rtikul i botuar nga nje french frog ne guardian sot. Ai gjasme aty ben argumente interesante persa i perket imperializmit amerika duke permendur dhe kosoven dhe se cfare arriten amerikanet aty. Anyway, per ju qe ju dhemb per kombin cojini nje pergjigje, une ja cova per vete. emailin e keni te fundi artikullit. Gjykoni vet dhereagoni se kta french frogatna kane rene ne qafe shume dhe ngaqe kemi qene ne nje periudhe te gjate injorante, kane livadhisur si duan dhe ishtremberojne faktet si duan.
    TA Sn0mi

    The power of one

    Weak nations will succumb to American ambition unless we insist on respecting sovereignty

    Martin Jacques
    Monday May 26, 2003
    The Guardian

    It has become fashionable to denigrate national sovereignty. The arguments are well versed: sovereignty is no absolute; it should not be used to excuse the abuse of human rights; the needs of justice should override the principle of sovereignty. It is suggested that this represents some profound shift in thinking, a reversal of centuries of history. This would be true if we were talking about the charmed circle of the developed world - Britain, France, the United States and the rest. But of course we are not. The sovereignty at issue is that of countries in the developing world which, until the second half of the 20th century, for the most part did not enjoy national sovereignty anyway. For them, the taste of self-rule, the possibility of not being governed by a race and culture from far away, is, historically speaking, an extremely recent experience. And now it is again under serious assault.
    Many things came to an end in 1989, even though it was not until after 9/11 that we could begin to understand what many of them were. Nineteen eighty-nine was about the defeat of communism. With 9/11 we saw the emergence of a unipolar world. The invasion of Iraq began to define the nature of American interest and the parameters of that unipolar world, as well as bringing into question many post-1945 arrangements, norms and institutions. It is now clear that the latter included one profound change that has been barely commented upon. American hyperpower marks the end of the post-colonial era, little more than 50 years after it started.

    It takes the loss of one era and the emergence of a new one to properly understand the dynamics and merits of the former. Tony Blair may fear that we are re-entering a bipolar world - in reality there is no possibility of this for at least two decades, probably longer, and the only candidate on the horizon is China - but in truth bipolarity offered possibilities that unipolarity denies. Competition between the two superpowers served to constrain their respective behaviour, especially beyond their agreed spheres of influence. It may not be "politically correct" to speak of the merits of a bipolar world, but it gave space and opportunity to people in the former colonies where now, in a world where there is just one master, there is much less. The anti-colonial moment was shaped, and in part enabled, by the emergence of the bipolar world after the second world war.

    The undermining of the sanctity of sovereignty has taken little more than a decade. It should be remembered that at the time of the first Gulf war, "regime change" was an entirely unacceptable proposition, breaching as it did the accepted conventions concerning sovereignty: the first Bush administration recognised this by not taking Baghdad. There followed a slow erosion, with the western intervention in Kosovo - the benefits of which remain dubious - proving to be the most important violation of the principle before the invasion of Iraq. This is not to suggest that the world was not replete with breaches of sovereignty during the cold war: the Soviet occupation of Czechoslovakia and the successive attempts by the Americans to unseat Castro, for example. But until now, since the era of decolonisation was ushered in, there has been no serious attempt to challenge sovereignty as a sacrosanct principle of state relations.

    The argument over Iraq's alleged possession of weapons of mass destruction acted as a convenient (and seemingly fictitious) bridge between the last Gulf war and this one. In reality, the American invasion was about something completely different: the assertion of American power in this most sensitive of regions, with the added perk of control of the country's oil. Perversely, while the first Gulf war was fought in defence of the principle of sovereignty - Kuwait's - the second was about precisely the opposite, the rape of Iraq's.

    A handful of left commentators have sought to justify the American invasion on the grounds that it would bring to an end the human rights violations of the Saddam regime. This may prove to be a by-product of the American invasion - though at a huge and far greater cost than non-intervention - but it was never the main intent, simply one of the pretexts. To major on this possibility betrayed a failure to comprehend the big picture, namely the emergence of a unipolar world and the transformation of the United States into a new kind of political animal. This is a moment of a huge historical regression. The rise of imperial America has seen not only the destruction of Iraq's sovereignty, it also brings into question the sovereignty of those countries deemed to be part of the "axis of evil", and in due course no doubt others as well. That is how imperial powers behave when they try and bend the world to their own will and interest.

    Such attitudes are infectious, not least in a country like ours, where old colonial instincts remain strong. Not long before the invasion of Iraq, a well-known Labour MP, in a TV interview, described Zimbabwe as a rogue state. According to some accounts, Tony Blair would, given a free hand, like to sort out Zimbabwe's problems using the same methods as in Iraq. One would have thought that Britain's historical role in screwing up Zimbabwe might have taught a little humility, but none of it. Or take another example. During the course of an item on Newsnight examining the likely attitudes of the developing countries towards the second, aborted, UN security council resolution, Jeremy Paxman scoffed at the very idea that a country like Guinea should be in a position to exercise any influence on a matter of such global significance.

    I would not argue that sovereignty is always sacrosanct. There was clearly a powerful case for intervention in Rwanda, more powerful than any recent example I can think of, but in any case this would not necessarily have undermined sovereignty. Some critics would argue that my position puts sovereignty before human rights, and condones genocide, torture and ethnic cleansing. But to oppose intervention is not to condone the behaviour of Saddam, Mugabe, Kim Jong-Il or whoever. It is to assert that western intervention that violates sovereignty is the wrong way to solve these problems.

    As Iraq demonstrates so eloquently, intervention is never simply or mainly an altruistic enterprise. It is about might and interest: and never has this been more true than today. Moreover, many of the problems of these societies are bound up with the colonial legacy. This is not to deny the abject failure or worse of some of these regimes (though many more have done extremely well: the case of east Asia springs to mind), but to insist on the historical responsibility of the former colonial powers for many of their present problems. Ethnic cleansing in Africa is directly linked to the behaviour of the former colonial powers and the way they drew the borders. Malaysia is ethnically so diverse because the British brought in indentured labour on a huge scale from China and India. The fact that it has been so successful as a multi-ethnic society is a tribute, far too little acknowledged, to post-independence Malaysia. Humility rather than hubris would be the appropriate western response to the problems and challenges these countries face.

    Plus respect. There is a widespread view in the west that our values are the right values, that we know best, that every country will sooner or later take our road, that everyone will end up, at some point in the future, looking like a variant of ourselves. Such a mindset denies difference and betrays a lack of understanding of the specificity of history and culture. It is misconceived and chauvinistic. The non-western world will certainly share some things with the west, but in many respects they will remain, in their various ways, quite different. One only has to look at the attempts to impose democracy and the free market on Russia to see how western values are culturally specific and not a universally applicable panacea. Does anyone seriously believe that Iraq will become a western-style, free-market liberal democracy - in five years or indeed 50?

    Embedded in this lack of respect for other cultures is a barely concealed racism. To this day, the racist legacy of the British empire is little considered and hugely underestimated. The new imperialism carries its own racial charge, in some respects greater than before. The new global fault line - the struggle between "good" and "evil", between "civilisation" and "barbarity" - is terrorism; and the agents of terror are, in this discourse, usually brown, sometimes black, never white. In the heyday of European colonialism, expansionism was in part a by-product of imperial competition. This time the divide is constituted as that between the developed and a very large part of the developing world. At the heart of the new imperial politics, in other words, lies race.

    · Martin Jacques is a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics Asian Research Centre

    martinjacques1@aol.com

    FRENCH FROGS

  2. #2
    Perjashtuar
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    15-10-2002
    Vendndodhja
    Portugal
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    100
    Snom
    Franca eshte nje vend qe ka vene shpesh here ne pikepyetje eksistencen e kombin tone dhe shume here te ardhmen tone.
    Ne librat franceze per historine e botes dhe Ballkanit, ata francezet e shkruajne historine ashtu sikur duan dhe jo ashtu sikur duhet.
    Kombi yne nuk eshte prehur kurre ne paqe dhe se lufterat e ndryshme ballkanike dhe boterore kane qene nje goditje vdekje prurese per eksistencen tone.
    Historia e Ballkanit eshte e shkruar me gjak ashtu si tere historite e vendeve te ndryshme te Evropes por me ndryshimin se historia jone akoma shkruhet me gjak edhe sot e kesaj dite.
    Keta francezet na etikojne si nacionaliste te perdale sepse me renien e diktatures dhe ardhjen e demokracise kishin parashikuar se ne Shqiperi do te lindin irredentizmat dhe ne fakt ashtu ndodhi pooor me nje ndryshim te vogel se ne shqiptaret kerkojme bashkimin e trojeve shqiptare ashtu sikur kane qene dhe kjo gje nuk mund te quhet nacionalizem i perdale ose irredentizem.
    E perse qenkemi ne nacionalista irredentista "fondamentaliste"?
    Sepse keshtu i pelqen francezeve dhe galeve?
    Une do thoja se ne kemi gabimet tona por jo kjo nuk duhet te jete pengese per te korigjuar gabimet e kaluara.
    Ata thjeshte edhe sot na kane corintuar, bejne aleatin e paqene bashke me disa vende te tjera por Shqiperia eshte bere sot nje vend Bordello ne saje te disa figurave Rrumpalle me vendndodhje te ndryshme gjeografike qe padashje luajne rolin e percaktuar nga keta shtete qe godasin pa meshire tere shqiptaret duke na bere te humbim dashurine per vendlindjen dhe duke bere tere shqiptaret te mallkojne veteveten se perse linden te tille pra shqiptare.
    Ata do te na godasin pa meshire per sa kohe ne shqiptaret jemi "bujare" jemi "dogmatike" per sa kohe ne shenjojme njeri tjetrin, per sa kohe ne pranojme dhe bejme miq aleate te imponuar dhe jo te vertete, per sa kohe ne do te ngelemi analfabete per sa kohe ne nuk do ti shohim gjerat me larg se sa i kemi pare tani, per sa kohe ne nuk do te arrijme te civilizohemi dhe te kultivojme kulturen tone etj.

    Ata qe shkruajne mire bejne por i dashur Snom ne shqiptaret kemi nje thenie te vjeter
    Qente le te lehin, karvani te shkoje perpara.
    Shqiptaret duhet te mesojne shume dhe duhen te jene te kujdesshem ne menyre qe te mos behen "vegla puna" per zjarrevenesit e kamufluar.
    Sikur ti i dashur Snom te kesh mendime dhe ide te tjera totalisht te ndryshme nga ky artikullshkrues, une do te sugjeroja qe te beje perpjekjet per te shkruajtur nje artikull te ngjashem si kundervenie, ne gazeta te tjera te Shqiperise dhe Evropes.
    Mendohuni kur shkruani dhe lodhuni pakez perpara se te beni nje veprim te tille, jo se veprimi yt eshte i keq por sepse kunderveprimi jot eshte ndoshta "qesharak" dhe humoristik per keta njerez me dy kembe ne toke.
    Edhe kryetari yne i opozites vrapon ne Bruksel dhe Strazburg cdo jave per te raportuar krimin dhe kontrabanden ne Shqiperi por harron se behet qesharak jo vetem per ne, por edhe evropianet e Brukselit heqin pakez stres me te nderuarin kryetarin e opozites qe mendohet se nje dite do te marre pushtetin.

  3. #3
    i/e regjistruar
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    14-04-2003
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    197
    s'ke si te flasesh me bukur si gjethi ketu siper.

  4. #4
    Perjashtuar
    Anėtarėsuar
    29-04-2002
    Vendndodhja
    London
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    156
    Shiko cuna
    Une seshte se jam as gazetar e as te kem studiuar per diplomaci qe te bej nje shkrim cilesor qe te mund te botohet ne gazeta prestigiose si 'The Guardian'. Po kur lexon gjerate tilla te paftyra me te vertete revoltohesh. Une zgjodha qe ti cojanjeemil te zotit te punes. Tani nese ka ne forum profesionista qe mud teshkruajne me bukur, le ti bejne shkrimetdhe ti botojne ku te ken mundesi, po un sbesoj se kam aq shume potencial Pavaresisht, nje email ktij frogut mund tja coj cdo njeri dhe mos harroni se po sju kundervure ktyre megallomaneve, kta mendojne se e kane ne regull dhe vashdojne me keq. Prandaj eshte shume e rendesishme qe per gjera madhore ku luhen interesat tona strategjike si komb, cdo shqipetar, i majt apo i djathte qofte duhet ta ngreje zerin, sa me shume.
    Kjo eshte dhe ne apel per ata qe sishin dakort me zgjedhien qe beri shqiperia perkrah amerikes, dhe ktu del qarte se cjane francezet dhe cfare rendesie zeme ne si komb ne gjirin e evropes sipas tyre. OK, ktu poshte po ve emailin qe i cova frogut:

    Dear Sir

    I am not a politician or an expert in international affair. However, as far as I am concerened, you are very wrong regarding what Americans achieved in Kosova. As Albanian myself, I can reassure you that it was a great outcome for the outoctone Albanian population of Kosova in terms of humanity and human rights mister. Kosovans have been abused and masacred for a century under Serbian rule with some of your blessing as well. And this all includes ethnic cleansing, masss murder, rape, denigration ECT. All this has something to do with your country and others policies on balkan's, otoman rule, brakedown of otoman empire and a free hand that you gave to your discepls, serbs to practise their inhumane, criminal practices over a whole population.

    Anyway, it was American intervention that ended all this injustices after a hundred year abuse. It wasn't you or your allies. I do also have a feeling that if it was up to french pervert thinking, they would rather see Serbians oppress Balkans and possibly expel from this part of Europe all non Christian people. By the way there is no oil in Kosova.

    If you like to write a proper article regarding kosovans, I do recommend you to read some historical books like ' KOSOVO, A SHORT HISTORY' by Noel Malcom. It will evolve your points on the above issue from an everyday chat in a Paris coffee shop or Mac Donald’s restaurant to serious ones.

    Now, when it comes to America, you French do not know what you are doing. Americans liberated you, helped you build your country and set up a democratic regime, protected and guaranteed your western way of living for 50 years from communism, like it or not.

    Now you are declaring that the latest move from French and Belgians against Americans is a great significant attempt by Europe to counteract American superpower status. And what did you choose to do that, protecting a sanguineous dictator. I am not naive not to involve the issue of oil in this equation; however, oil has a global strategic effect and is too important to be let in hands of crazy Iraqi dictators. It becomes more important thinking about it when you take into account the risks that world is facing today from Arab terrorists. And it is important for French security in long terms too.

    So mister, what you did was not even bad but dangerous too. You didn’t bother that you were undermining UN, NATO who has been the most successful collective security organism in world history just to satisfy you petit ambition, to stand up to Americans. So what would you like to do next, a French led European Union and European military force that can flex up its muscle to Americans. That would have been perfectly understandable if we as Europeans didn’t share anything with Americans. But that is not true because Europe and America share the same Western values.

    So it doesn’t make sense to me sir, just to you and your corrupt president. Can you imagine if all this is true, what happens next a third world war and if it ever is a third world war, you know what is next, don’t you mister, a new reptile civilisation.
    To me mister, the way forward is a greater transatlantic cooperation and integration, so the rest of the world can follow us.

    To conclude

    Mr French, stop being racist against Americans and stop selling nonsense to the others because were not going to buy it. And please forget about Napoleon, it’s all history now and it is proven, it doesn’t work.

    With respect

    Dr Nushaj.

  5. #5
    i pavarur
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    03-07-2002
    Vendndodhja
    EU
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    513
    snOm!
    Ti ke te drejten tende te kritikosh nje artikull ashtu si dhe cdo kush ketu dhe per kete cdo njeri ka kendveshtrimin e vet dhe shyqyr qe eshte keshtu se perndryshe bota e jeta do te ishin kushedi sa te merziteshme...
    Megjithate sme duket interesante qe duke lexuar nje artikull dhe duke e sjelle ate ne forum te pergjithesosh pikemajet dhe aspiratat e nje populli siē eshte Franca.
    Eshte e vertete qe Franca vete ka qene nje shtet koloniziator e rrjedhimisht shtet hajdut, kriminel shkaterues kulture....per shume vende te cilat ka pushtuar gjate historise por kjo sdo te thote qe francezet kane te njeten pikepamje me personin qe shkruan artikullin ne Guardian!
    Jo vetem francezet por rreth 80 % e evropianeve ishin kundra luftes ne Irak po kjo sdo te thote qe mbeshtetin rregjimin diktatorial te tij dhe diktatorin Sadam.
    Politikat e ketyre vendeve kane mbrojtur shpesh here interesa te veēanta te personave, familjeve apo loby te ndryshem e kjo dihet boterisht megjithate kjo nuk mund te bej fajtor per kete gjithe popujt e ketyre vendeve dhe francezet ne veēanti.
    Nuk kam ndonje preference te veēante per francezet ashtu sikur se nuk kam dhe per ndonje popull tjeter pasi nuk ka popuj perfekt dhe te gjithe kane te metat e cilesite e veta por kete qe shtoj ketu e bej vetem qe te ngelet sa me objektive kjo teme.
    Pershendetje.

    Ps. Ketij "mikut tone" i shkrojta dhe une dy fjale ku i permend qe perpara se te kritikoje me entuziazem veprimet e amerikes le te gjeje kurajon e te kritikoje ne te perditeshmet franceze ditet e zeza te hitorise franceze
    Just God Can Judge Me

  6. #6
    i/e regjistruar
    Anėtarėsuar
    13-02-2003
    Vendndodhja
    Londer
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    17
    Nushaj te lumt per mundimin qe keni marr per te shkruajtur ate e-mail rreth artikullit ne gazet, e ke qendisur shum mir si kur te kisha porosit. A mund te me trgosh si mund ta coj edhe un nje email tek ky grindavec (francezi).

    me respekt
    Mirushi
    Rreth flamurit te perbashkuar me nje deshir dhe nje qellim.

    Jam krenar se jam Shqiptar se shqiperia eshte Shqiptaria.

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    Perjashtuar
    Anėtarėsuar
    29-04-2002
    Vendndodhja
    London
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    156
    Mirush pershendetje

    ky eshte emaili

    Martin Jacques is a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics Asian Research Centre

    martinjacques1@aol.com

    Ta
    Sn0mi

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    i/e regjistruar
    Anėtarėsuar
    21-04-2003
    Postime
    28
    Nese qeveria Franceze ka qene historikisht kundra Shqiptareve atehere nuk ka kuptim qe ne te trgohemi te "kulturuar" dhe te bejme shkrime te menduara mire se mos na ofendohet populli francez, se gjoja populli francez ka nje histori te pasur, eshte djep i civilizimit perendimor, ka vlera "perendimore" etj. Po ti referohemi historise se larget del se Shqiptaret jane ne themel te kesaj kulture, i kane dhene asaj dhe sot perpiqen me cdo menyre te kontribuojne ne te.
    Nese populli francez do ishte aq i "dhembshur" apo i "kulturuar", kete ai duhej ta tregonte kur serbet po perserisnin historine e Hebrenjve me Kosovaret. Populli nuk e beri kete, qeveria jo se jo, atehere ne shqiptaret kemi te drejten morale tu themi popullit dhe qeverise franceze "Shut up, shut up!".
    Ketij qelbesires qe ka bere artikullin, i duhen derguar e-mail pambarim. Nuk eshte nevoja qe te shkruhet mire dhe me nivel te larte profesional pasi nuk do ju vere njeri noten. Po ky qelbesira do ta kuptoje se egziston edhe "feedback" per pacauret qe ai shkruan.
    Cdo njeri nga ne duhet te shkruaje atij, qofte edhe 5 rreshta. Nje pergjigje e shkurter dhe e thjeshte eshte mese e mjaftueshme per te percjelle mesazhin. Nuk eshte nevoja ta bindim ate. Ai e di fare mire se cila eshte e drejte apo e gabuar. Por, ai e ben ate ne pozitat e nje francezi prandaj edhe ne duhet te bejme tonen, ne pozitat e nje shqiptari.
    Shqipetaret te bashkuar ne nje shtet!

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    Shpirt Shqiptari Maska e Albo
    Anėtarėsuar
    16-04-2002
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    Philadelphia
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    Personalisht e konsideroj humbje kohe ti mbushesh mendjen nje francezi, greku apo serbi se cila eshte historia e Shqiperise dhe roli i saj ne kete histori. Francezet, greket, serbet dhe te gjithe ata popuj qe i kane uzurpuar, sulmuar, pushtuar e masakruar shqiptaret ne shekuj, nuk do te ndryshojne qendrim nga emailet apo shkrimet patriotike te shqiptareve.

    Energjithe e shqiptareve per ceshtjen kombetare duhen akumuluar dhe drejtuar vetem ne kampin shqiptar dhe jo ne kampet armiqesore. Ndergjegjesimi i nje shqiptari mbi ceshtjen kombetare eshte 1000 fish me i madh ne vlere se sa 1000 mesazhe qe mund ti dergohen atij gazetarit francez.
    "Babai i shtetit ėshtė Ismail "Qemali", e zbuloi Edvin shkencėtari!"

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    _____________ Maska e ornament
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    27-04-2002
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    Dhe une mendoj si Albo, siē mendojme ne per shqiperine e bashkuar, francezet mendojne per francen e bashkuar, serbet per serbine e bashkuar, greket per greqine e vjeter, e te gjithe me rradhe. Secili ben POLITIKE sipas INTERESIT TE VET, po sipas ketij zgjedh dhe aleatet e miqte.
    Vetem ne diēka dua ta korrigjoj idene e Albos, NDERGJEGJESIM me duket fjale pa kuptim. Ndergjegjesim per ēfare.
    A nuk ishte komunizmi ndergjegjesim masash ndaj "skllaverimit" borgjez. Ēfare te mire solli ai tek shqiptaret, jo vetem qe s'arriti ta bente "njeriun e ri" por dhe "origjinalin" e deformoi ne at fare forme sa qe eshte shume veshtire te njihet sot. Shqiptari them une, DUHET LENE I QETE, dmth i pa ndergjegjesuar. Shqiptari i duhet lene KOHES, vetem ajo do ta ndergjegjesoje sipas modelit te saj.

    Sepse, ta zeme OK! duhet shqiptarin ta ndergjegjesojme, por SI! QYSH! Sipas CILIT model. Ta bejme si Albo. Po a eshte ai i PERKRYER dhe po qe se po ne lidhje me ēfare.

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