Po, por Katre e mori pergjigjen qe e meritonte! Tani le te shohim se cdo te beje me NIkos Gatzogiannis ne Shqiperi. KEto qe thua eshte mire tia thuash Peshkop Serafimit qe thote se At Foti 'ka qendrim dhe sjellje te duhur' si prift. KEto qe thua ti jane vazhdim i shpifjeve.
Lexojeni kete dokument i cili iu eshte derguar gjithe kishave ortodokse dhe kishave te tjera te krishtera, si dhe shume organizmave nderkombetare. Shqiptaret paraqiten ketu si "barbare". Cila eshte e verteta?
STATEMENT OF THE EXTRAORDINARY SESSION OF THE HOLY ASSEMBLY OF BISHOPS OF THE SERBIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH
March 18, 2004
Yesterday's and last night's unrest, which took place throughout the southern Serbian Province of Kosovo and Metohija, represents the continuation of organized Albanian terrorism against the Orthodox Serbian population, now in existence for several decades, against that which is considered both a Serbian and world cultural heritage, as well as against other non-Albanian inhabitants in this area. Terrorism and violence, which became especially manifest in the burning of the refectory of the Monastery of the Patriarchate of Pec in 1981, have continued and continually existed since 1999, culminating in that same year with the NATO bombing and the expulsion of several hundreds of thousands of Serbs and other non-Albanians, which would give increase in strength and intensity.
The results of that unheard of violence are to be seen in the several thousands of men, women and children who were kidnapped and murdered, villages and settlements with Serbian inhabitants that were burned, looted and endangered properties of the people as well as of the Church, and the destruction and damaging of more than 115 monasteries and churches. And all this has happened since this province has been under the immediate protectorate of the International Community.
The climax of everything is this recent, obviously planned in advance, unthinkable pogrom, which has been in process over the rest of the Serbian people and their centuries lasting shrines. More than fifteen of the most significant churches and monuments of culture from 14th to 19th centuries, starting with the monastery of the Holy Archangels and the Mother of God church of Ljevish in Prizren, to the 17th century Saint Nicholas Church at Belo Polje, have been burnt down and destroyed within a day. Some ten people were killed, the remaining Serbian settlements throughout Kosovo and Metohija are being burned and destroyed, Decani Monastery is being shelled, and the monasteries of the Patriarchate of Pec and Gracanica are endangered.
For every reasonable person it is evident that here we are dealing with pre-planned total ethnic cleansing and destruction of all cultural and spiritual traces of the presence of the Christian Serbian people on the territory of Kosovo and Metohija. Additionally, the representatives of the International Community, KFOR and UNMIK, by their actions or non-actions, from 1999 until the present day contribute, voluntarily or involuntarily, to the definitive extermination of Orthodox Christian peoples from their centuries-long hearths and homes, and to the destruction of their cultural and all-Christian shrines of Kosovo. Our country, contrary to Security Council Resolution 1244, has not been allowed to defend its own people and a part of its territory, while those who on behalf of defending human rights and freedoms have taken over the protectorate and responsibility, by their passivity actually contribute to the escalation of unheard of terror in the heart of Europe.
For this reason, the Holy Synod of Bishops appeals to the authorities of the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro, as well as to the Government of Serbia, to do everything within their power to protect the people from extermination and from the ultimate expulsion of the Serbian people from Kosovo and Metohija.
We turn to the European Union, USA, Russia and the United Nations, crying out that they urgently end this pogrom and terror, for the sake of God and for the sake of human dignity.
We also call upon on Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija and upon their leaders to stop this insanity, for their own sake as well as for the sake of their future. We remind them and also ourselves of the all-human experience, that violence, injustice and hatred have never brought any good to anyone.
Finally, we call upon all of our people, that they in these extremely difficult times double their fasting and prayer for their salvation and redemption, for peace among us and all over the world. We should not allow ourselves, for the sake of any interest of this world, to commit anything that would be unworthy of the People of God, anything inhuman. During this turbulent time one should avoid any form of senseless and foolish revenge, such as that which certain imprudent persons committed against mosques in Belgrade and that in Nis. We should defend ourselves from evil and evil-doers, but not in an inhumane way or that, God forbid, we commit an evil or brutal deed in the way of evil-doers. O Lord, help all, and also us and our enemies, as peace,freedom and justice are necessary for all, both for us and for all peoples and nations.
Sfurk, ke nje paaftesi te hatashme te te kuptuarit, e te te argumentuarit.Lexojeni kete dokument i cili iu eshte derguar gjithe kishave ortodokse dhe kishave te tjera te krishtera, si dhe shume organizmave nderkombetare. Shqiptaret paraqiten ketu si "barbare". Cila eshte e verteta?
Faktikisht ne gjithe tekstin, po e ke lexuar mire, vetem ne jane shqiptaret barbare apo jo nuk trajtohet hic.
Aty behet fjale per shkaterrimin e Kishave e manastireve e per persekutime etnike, qe nga kushdo qofte te kryera do ta meritonin titullin "barbare", apo jo?
Madje pikerisht per kete arsye, pikerisht, ata u drejtohen vete serbeve me:Finally, we call upon all of our people, that they in these extremely difficult times double their fasting and prayer for their salvation and redemption, for peace among us and all over the world. We should not allow ourselves, for the sake of any interest of this world, to commit anything that would be unworthy of the People of God, anything inhuman. During this turbulent time one should avoid any form of senseless and foolish revenge, such as that which certain imprudent persons committed against mosques in Belgrade and that in Nis.
Ti Sfurk je nje vllah/coban/llacifac i llahtarshem ne tentativa per te futur njerez ne armiqesi, ne menyre qe te sigurosh identitetin tend te ri, po aq sa je i pakuptimte ne argumentet qe parashtron. Apo jo?
persa i takon temes. Sfurk, une nuk shoh ne asnje vend te shkrimeve te tua se ne cfare konsiton argumenti yt, e perse debaton, kur nuk ke asgje konkrete pervec komenteve qe ti ben ne lidhje me individe diskutante te forumit.
Pse nuk ia deklaron Faktuesit se cili je ti, aq me teper, kur te pakten une e di (fare mire) se cili je? Jo per gje, por do ta beje me te respektueshme biseden.
Une nuk po marr me pjese ne kete teme, perdrisa nuk shoh asnje pergjigje konkrete nga Sfurku ne lidhje me pikat debate qe une i kam parashtruar.
Sa per At Joanin, mire juve keni "admirim" per te, po a jeni te sigurte se ai ka te njejten ndjenje per juve? Jo se ka rendesi, por se duhet ta dini se Foti Cici&Co ka shume antipatizuesa ne te gjitha grupimet ortodokse te Shqiperise.
Cili eshte ai prift orthodhoks qe e ka njohur Foti Cicin dhe ka krijuar respekt per te? Nga aq sa kam lexuar ne kete forum dhe nga aq sa kam lexuar ne media, ASNJE. Pse-ne une e kam te qarte pasi Sfurku qe djalli mban ne dore, nuk eshte bere prift per te shpallur Lajmin e Mire te Perendise, eshte bere prift per tu bere dikushi. Prandaj njerez te tille te vegjel pergojojne te gjithe ne goje dhe mbushin faqe pa mbarim, me shprese se dikush do tu perkushtoje pak vemendje.
Prifterinjte e vertete orthodhokse nuk e humbin kohen me studime historike por merren me perkthime teologjike nga eterit e Kishes Orthodhokse ne shqip. Prifterinjte e vertete nuk shkruajne ne gazeta apo dalin neper televizore, shkojne neper shtepite e besimtareteve te tyre ti bekojne ato dhe tu flasin per mesimet e Kishes.
Zoti paste meshire per njerez te tille pasi jane me te vertete per te ardhur keq.
P.S Peshkopi i Kishes Orthodhokse Shqiptare ne Amerike eshte Hiresia e Tij Nikon, vellai i At Artur Liolin.
"Babai i shtetit ėshtė Ismail "Qemali", e zbuloi Edvin shkencėtari!"
Por ti qe je ortodoks/orthodhoks, duhet te lutesh edhe per te, Albo.
Perderisa Semanaristi u largua dhe e kyci pergjigjen e tij, po them ketu shkurt se nuk kisha qellim per te share serbet. Perderisa Seminaristi eshte me origjine serbe, sic e kemi thene disa here, une kujtova se do te me pergezonte, per te hapur nje debat se cila eshte e verteta. Pra kerkoj falje qe qofte se nuk u bera e qarte. Jam kunder cdo veprimi armiqesor ndaj cdo njeriu, pavaresisht nese eshte apo jo shqiptar. Permbahuni dhe mos na shani edhe kur nuk gabojme.
Ti Albo, ke pushtet ketu por duhet ta perdoresh me karar, se nxehesh dhe harron rregulloren tende. Ne qofte se ti ke urrejte ndaj At Foti CIcit ajo eshte e drejta jote. SIc ke perjashtuar kater anetare te Forumit per arsye te ketij debati, me perjashto dhe mua dhe te betohem se nuk do te kthehem me emer tjeter. As nuk pse te analizosh vetveten dhe ndjenjat e tua e tu tregosh te tjereve se cduhet te bejne.
Me thuaj se ku kam gabuar ne hedhjen e ketij materiali ketu. Me v jen keq por je gabim. Hiqesh si i krishtere i dedikuar por nje i krishtere i mire, dhe e kam une radhen tani te flas, nuk shan askend dhe, sipas teologjise se krishere, duhet te lutet edhe per djallin vete, per shpetimin e tij. Apo nuk e di kete?
O Sfurk,
Seminaristi eshte me origjine nga Jugu i Shqiperise, por te them te drejten, sic ta kam thene, preferoj te isha nga cdo vend, vetem me nje njeri si ti mos te kisha te beja!
Tashti, ti Sfurk, merr pjese kot se koti ne kete forum, sepse nuk ke argument.
Foti Cici ka mashtruar ne shkrimet e tija, sic jua kam thene - A ma hedh dot poshte ti mua kete gje? Pikat ti kam rreshtuar te gjitha nje me nje.
Mos haro se teologji ke studiuar edhe ti, packa se sic hyre ashtu dole nga Seminari, se nuk erdhe per te mesuar (por ndoshta per ti shpetuar fshatit ose me mire "lopes"), e per te mare ndonje burse per tia mbathur.
Seminari per ty ishte nje emigrim brenda vendit, rritje mireqenie ekonomike, perspektiva me e mire e jetes - Kaq!
A nuk eshte turp, ti qe ke kaluar 11 muaj te vitit qyl me leket e "Janullatosit" e qe ke marre burse prej tij, sot te na shitesh sikur te jesh me Cici se vete Cici?!
Megjithate, tek ty une edhe te tjere shoh(im) vete tipin e Cicit.
Ta thame edhe nje here:
Nqs Foti Cici ka bere nje referat mbi Nolin, po themi BRAVO Cici - kaq. Por qe te mbeshtetemi tek ironia kooperativiste e shkrimeve te tij tek na kritikon Janullatosin, edhe sikur ta merrnim ne konsiderate, do te na duhej shqyrtim i mirefillte i fakteve, te cilat nuk ka sjelle asnje, qofte edhe nje te vetem.
Kjo, pikerisht eshte tematika ime, Sfurk, e une nuk jam aspak kundra te drejtes tuaj per te marre persiper role qe juve deshironi ti luani kokefortesisht. Po te jete keshtu vazhdoni, te nderuar...udhe e mbare
Artikulli qe ke sjelle me siper, ne lidhje me deklaraten e Kishes serbe, nuk ka te beje fare me tematiken qe ti kerkon te vesh ne diskutim, e une nuk kam ndrojtje te ta them ty kete gje edhe pse e di se ti VDESSSSSSS per tia futur me biografi kundershtarit. E ke ne genin tend vlleho-myzeqaro-komunist!
Eshte turp per kete Forum te na shajne e te na poshterojne nga origjina, kur myzeqaret i kane dhene kaq shume Shqiperise. Ne qofte se une jam vllah, a coban, jam sic me beri Zoti. Ne qofte se kam qene a jo ne seminar, kjo nuk me ndalon te admiroj At Foti Cicin sot, a ta hesh poshte neser ne qofte se nuk jam me dakord me mendimet e tij. Fyerjet e tua dhe te Albos jane deshmia se ky forum do shume pune per tu kulturuar e per tu bere ekuivalent i grupimeve te tjera diskutuese ne internet.
Por si ti dhe Albo e keni marre shume perpjekur me ofeza e fodullek. Ndersa ti Seminarist je me i shkurdisur, sepse thua do te ikij dhe harron e kthehej prape. Nejse, une te mirepres se shikoj si tek ty ashtu edhe tek Albo nje miresi ne shpirt, edhe kur perpiqeni ti jepni trajte te keqe me sharjet dhe ofendimiet tuaja. Mbi te gjitha te gjithe duhet te mposhtim arrogancen, cuna, per te permiresuar forumin dhe jo per ta zhbere ate.
Koha Jone, e Shtune, 27 Mars 2004
600 000 MIJE DOLLARE NDIHME PER RESTAURIMIN E KISHAVE NE KOSOVE
Kryepeshkopi i Shqiperise, Anastasi Janullatos, ne emer te Kryepeshkopates se Tiranes ofron nje ndihme prej 600.000 dollaresh per restaurimin e nje kishe dhe te nje xhamie ne Kosove. Ne fjalen e tij Kryepeshkopi e cilesoi kete ndihme si nje iniciative te rendesishme per te gjithe Ballkanin, pavaresisht nga komuniteti kombetar apo fetar, te cilit i perkasim. Ne komunikimin e djeshem per mediat, kryesekretari i kesaj kishe, At Jani Trebicka, ka bere te ditur se kjo ndihme do t'ju dergohet organeve kompetente kosovare dhe do te jene ato qe do te vendosin se cila kishe dhe xhami do te restaurohet. Keto autoritete mund ta perdorin kete shume dhe per ndertimin e nje qendre rinore qe do te inkurajoje bashkekzistencen paqesore. Gjithashtu At Jani Trebicka sqaroi se kjo shume eshte marre nga fondet qe jane mbledhur me shume mund per ndertimin e Katedrales ne Tirane dhe se transferimi i kesaj shume do te kryhet me kompetence, me qellim qe te garantohet perdorimi i drejte i saj, sipas kuptimit te vecante te kesaj iniciative.
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