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    i/e regjistruar Maska e shendelli
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    Musée Art Médiéval KORCA (Albanie)
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    Ju lumt

    Shendell desha te ju pergezoj per punen shume te mire qe keni ba...mesova shume gjera te reja nga shkimet e postuara nga ju.

    Shpresoj se shqiptaret Ortodox do mbrojn amanetin e At Fan S. Nolit.

    Me shume rrespekt per ju
    Mjellma

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    Άγιος Ειρηναίος της Λυών Maska e Seminarist
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    Sokratis (Socrates), an Orthodox Christian from Elbasan in central Albania, August 1991. He told me about the practice of vėllamėria, also known as adelphopoeia, pobratimstvo and bratotvorenie (English translation here), a same-sex ceremony of union common in parts of Albania and northwest Greece, which survived both the anti-religious and anti-gay actions of the former communist regime in Albania and continued to be performed in 1991 in Elbasan. He lived with other Albanian emigres in Megara for awhile until the police raided the house and he disappeared (this kind of harassment and discrimination against Albanians was and is unfortunately quite common in Greece). If anyone has any information regarding his current whereabouts, it would be much appreciated. His wife remained in Elbasan, Albania (Disclaimer: The mentioning of the information he provided about ceremonies in Elbasan should not be construed as an indication of his sexual orientation. Heterosexuality does not prevent one from speaking about homosexual-related topics without prejudice, as I have often found in speaking to Albanians from various parts of Albania and Kosova).


    A D E L P H O P O I I A (The Rite of Spiritual Brotherhood)

    This service is a rite of the Eastern Orthodox Church dating from
    very early times and assuming its present form between the fourth
    and ninth centuries AD. This service is translated from the
    Euchologion of Jacobus Goar, which was printed in 1647 and
    revised in 1730. A facsimile of the 1730 edition, published in Graz,
    Austria, in 1960, is the edition available in many theological
    libraries. With the rising influence of western ideas in recent
    centuries, this rite ceased to be practiced widely and was largely
    forgotten or ignored except in isolated areas, most notably Albania
    and other areas in the Balkans, where it flourished throughout the
    nineteenth century and up to at least 1991. Both men and women
    were united with this rite or similar ones. Nowadays, this rite is
    performed in the Orthodox church at Elbasan in central Albania, and
    at some Orthodox churches in the U.S. (while other Orthodox will
    vehemently reject the rite). There are other manuscripts of this
    rite available, e.g. in Russian trebniki (prayer-books); John Boswell
    has looked over about 100 adelphopoiia manuscripts which he will
    discuss in John Boswell, _Same-Sex Unions in Pre-Modern Europe_ (June,
    1994).

    This rite is called "spiritual" because the relationship between
    spiritual brothers is not one of blood-relation but of the Holy Spirit,
    and also to distinguish the rite from blood-brotherhood, which the
    Church opposed. In the service, the saint-martyrs Sergius and
    Bacchus are invoked, who were united in spiritual brotherhood "not
    bound by the law of nature but by the example of faith in the Holy
    Bacchus are invoked, who were united in spiritual brotherhood "not
    bound by the law of nature but by the example of faith in the Holy
    Spirit". These saints were tortured and martyred late in the third
    century A.D. when they refused to worship the emperor's idols. In
    their biography by Simeon Metaphrastes (available in J.P. Migne,
    _Patrologia Graeca_, vol. 115, pp. 1005-1032) they are described as
    sweet companions and lovers to each other.

    This rite is incorporated into the Divine Liturgy. It begins with the
    usual blessing and prayers of a Liturgy. During the Great Synapte,
    petitions for the couple to be united in spiritual brotherhood are
    added to the usual petitions. After the First Antiphon, two special
    prayers are said for the couple, after which they kiss the Gospel
    Book and each other. After the priest sings a hymn, the Liturgy
    continues at "Have mercy on us, O God .. ". Accounts of the use
    of this rite (such as Naecke, _Jahrbuch fuer sexuelle
    Zwischenstufen_ 9 (1908),. 328) confirm that the spiritual brothers
    receive Holy Communion together, thereby forming the sacramental
    bond in this union. However, Goar mentions in a footnote that in
    some manuscripts, the couple is only blessed with holy water.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++

    PRIEST: Blessed is the kingdom of the Father and the Son and the
    Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages.
    Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us. (3
    times).
    Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and ever
    and unto ages of ages. Amen.
    All-Holy Trinity, have mercy on us.
    Lord forgive our sins.
    Master, pardon our transgressions.
    Holy One, visit and heal our infirmities for your name's sake.
    Lord, have mercy. Lord, have mercy. Lord, have mercy.
    Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and ever
    and unto ages of ages. Amen.
    Our Father, who is in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your
    kingdom come. Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses, as
    we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into
    temptation, but deliver us from evil. For yours is the kingdom and
    the power and the glory, of the Father and the Son and the Holy
    Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen.
    (After this, the priest says the Troparion.)
    Save, O Lord, your servants, and bless your inheritance.
    (And the two who are about to be joined together in brotherly unity
    place their hands on the holy Gospel book, which has been
    prepared and placed on the table. And they hold in their hands
    lighted candles.)
    (And the priest says the following, so that it is heard from above:
    Save, O Lord, your servants. Followed by the Troparion of the
    day)
    Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
    Holy Apostles, intercede with the merciful God to grant our souls
    forgiveness of sins.
    Now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen.
    Through the intercessions, O Lord, of all the saints and of the
    Theotokos, grant us your peace and have mercy upon us, only
    merciful One.

    THE GREAT SYNAPTE.
    (The responses of "Lord, have mercy" are understood.)
    In peace let us pray to the Lord.
    For the peace that is from above, and for the salvation of our souls,
    let us pray to the Lord.
    For the peace of the entire world, the welfare of the holy
    churches of God, and the union of all of them, let us pray to the
    Lord.
    For this holy house, and for those who enter it with faith,
    reverence, and fear of God, let us pray to the Lord.
    For our Archbishop, the honorable priesthood, the deacons in
    Christ, and all of the clergy and laity, let us pray to the Lord.
    For the servants of God who have approached to be blessed by
    Him, and for their love (agapesis) in God, let us pray to the Lord.
    That they may be given full knowledge of the apostolic unity, let us
    pray to the Lord.
    That they may be granted a faith unashamed, a love unfeigned, let
    us pray to the Lord.
    That they may be deemed worthy to glory in the honorable Cross,
    let us pray to the Lord.
    That both they and we may be delivered from all affliction, wrath,
    and distress, let us pray to the Lord.
    Help us, save us, have mercy on us and keep us, O God, by your
    grace.
    PEOPLE: Amen.
    PRIEST: Having called to remembrance our all-holy, immaculate,
    most blessed, glorious Lady Theotokos and ever-virgin Mary, with
    all the Saints, let us commend ourselves and one another, and all
    our life unto Christ our God.
    PEOPLE: To You, O Lord.
    PRIEST (quietly): O Lord our God, whose might is beyond
    compare, whose glory is incomprehensible, whose mercy is infinite,
    and whose love toward mankind is ineffable; in Your tender
    compassion look down upon us Yourself, O Master, and upon this
    holy house, and grant us and those who pray with us Your rich
    mercies and compassion.
    PRIEST (aloud): For to You are due all glory, honor, and worship;
    to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and ever and
    unto ages of ages.
    PEOPLE: Amen.
    PRIEST: Let us pray to the Lord.
    Lord our God, who has granted us all things for salvation, and who
    has commanded us to love one another and to forgive each others'
    transgressions; now You Yourself, Master and Lover of mankind,
    to these Your servants who have loved each other with spiritual
    love, and who approach Your holy temple to be blessed by You,
    grant to them a faith unashamed, a love unfeigned. And as You
    gave Your holy disciples Your own peace, also grant these all the
    petitions for salvation, and eternal life. For You are a merciful and
    loving God, and to You we ascribe glory, to the Father and the Son
    and the Holy Spirit. Let us pray to the Lord. Lord our God, the
    omnipotent, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea, who
    made man according to Your image and likeness, who was well-
    disposed to Your holy martyrs Sergius and Bacchus becoming
    brothers, not bound by the law of nature but by the example of faith
    of the Holy Spirit; Master, do send down Your Holy Spirit upon
    Your servants who have approached this temple to be blessed.
    Grant them a faith unashamed, a love unfeigned, and that they may
    be without hatred and scandal all the days of their lives. Through
    the prayers of Your immaculate Mother and of all the Saints. For
    Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory, of the Father
    and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and to the ages.
    (And with the table made ready in the middle of the church, they
    place the holy Gospel upon it. And they kiss the Holy Gospel, and
    each other.)
    THEN THE PRIEST SINGS: By the union of love the apostles join
    in the praying to the Master of all; themselves committed to Christ,
    they extended their beautiful feet, announcing the good news of
    peace to everyone.
    PRIEST: Have mercy on us, O God.
    (And continues the Liturgy.)
    by Nicholas Zymaris



    Ja edhe prova qe Shendelli nuk eshte fare ortodoks, ne asnje kuptim praktik te kesaj fjale.

    Shkrimi i mespierm eshte nje shpifje anti-ortodokse tipike e atyre perendimoreve, sidomos nder boten gjermanishtfolese, aq te njohur per frymen anti-sllavo ortodokse, por pervec kesaj eshte nje shkrim me gabime te qellimshme.

    Po ashtu, ky lloj shkrimi nuk mund te sillet vecse nga anti-ortodokse, ne shprese turperimi.

    Te akuzosh ortodoksine per sektet qe fshihen ne te...eshte injorance e mirefillte fetare edhe historike!

    Ajo qe eshte fakt eshte se Kisha Ortodokse e quan Herezi nje lloj jete te tille!

    Ja ky eshte Shendellia qe sulmon Janullatosin edhe me te edhe Ortodoksine!

  4. #104
    Gezuar Kosoven e Pavarur Maska e dodoni
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    Ju lumtė Shėndelli, dhe mos i merrni parasysh shkrimet e kėtij tė shiturit kėtu , se kėta nuk kanė mė jetė, i ka ardhur fundi mė njerėzve tė tillė.

    Pėrshėndetje, gjithė tė mirat dhe suksese
    Leje mos m'trano, pashe zotin!!!!

    Rrofte Shqiperia Etnike

  5. #105
    Άγιος Ειρηναίος της Λυών Maska e Seminarist
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    rrnofte do-do-do-do-ni!

    E meriton ti te jesh tek bordi drejtues i forumit, sidomos kur merr pjese kaq denjesisht, edhe plot sy e faqe neper tema, edhe jep kontribut domethenes!

  6. #106
    i/e larguar Maska e Honezmi
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    I nderuar Shendelli
    Dihet qe monstrat e ndyra te Janullatosit do ti keni neper kembe!
    Mos u bezdis nga nderhyrjet vulgare te nje kopuku vorjo-epirot,qe mundohet te fshihet nen emrin e nje -Shqiptari Ortodoks-.
    Nuk ka faj (ai) !Faj kan drejtuesit e Albasolit qe lejojne -JO SHQIPTAR- te marin pjes ne kete forum.
    ShendelliE LUMTE AJO DORRR

    /Diskutuesi u paralajmėrua pėr parespektin qė tregoi ndaj bashkėbiseduesit (Shpresmiri) /
    Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga Shpresmiri : 18-04-2003 mė 17:40

  7. #107
    i/e regjistruar Maska e shendelli
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    Faliminderit Honezmi! Do ishte me mire te ishim te bashkuar ndaj ketyre bukeshkaleve. Nuk vjen pranvera me nje lule. Prandaj nuk dua thjeshte te me pergezoni por edhe te me ndihmoni me materiale.

  8. #108
    i/e regjistruar Maska e shendelli
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    Theofan Stilian Noli - FAN NOLI
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  9. #109
    Shpirt Shqiptari Maska e Albo
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    Shendelli, 2 gjera kam per te shkruajtur mbi kete teme:

    1. Njerezit e Zotit nuk bejne plane per te dale ne krye te KOASH pasi ata e kane lene jeten e tyre dhe te komunitetit te tyre ne Doren e Zotit.

    2. Orthodokset nuk e kerkojne ndryshimin brenda komunitetit duke ndermarre nisma politike, por duke iu lutur Zotit.

    A mendon ti se Zoti do ti braktiste per here te dyte sherbetoret e tij orthodokse shqiptare, pas 30 vjetesh ateizmi dhe mohimi te Flales se Tij?!

    Nuk eshte "rastesi" qe Janullatos eshte ne krye te KOASH dhe qe ta kuptosh kete hidhi nje sy komunitetit orthodoks shqiptar ne Shqiperi dhe Kishave Orthodokse qe po i rikthehen tradites shekullore te besimit fale perkushtimit 12 vjecar te Hiresise se Tij.

    Nuk duhet te bejme plane, duhet te lutemi qe te kuptojme edhe mesojme planin e Zotit per Shqiptaret.
    "Babai i shtetit ėshtė Ismail "Qemali", e zbuloi Edvin shkencėtari!"

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    i/e regjistruar Maska e shendelli
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    Albo perendia te jep mendje per ta vene ne pune. Sipas teje i bie qe njerzit te mos punojne vetem te luten e te presin se mbase do ndodhi ndonje mrekulli. Keshtu qe me menyren time te menduarit une them se njerzit duhet te perpiqen qe te vene ne krye te kishes nje shqiptar.
    Une nuk pres nga zoti te qe te vihet ne krye te kishes nje shqiptar nese une nuk luftoj! Nese une do te luftoj dhe te tjeret bashke me mua atehere zoti do te vendosi nje bari shqiptar ne krye te grigjes shqiptare.
    Une nuk mendoj se zoti do ti braktisi shqiptaret ashtu si nuk i braktisi per 30 vjet por as shqiptaret nuk e braktisen zotin per 30 vjet. Nisur nga ky perfundim ne zoti nuk ka per te na harruarr nese nuk harrojme te luftojme ashtu si per 30 vjet nuk u harrua te luftohej.
    Une ne asnje menyre nuk mund te behem i verber e te mos shoh kishat e ngritura gjate kesaj perjudhe por ne te njejten kohe nuk mund te behem i vereber e te mos shoh se ne ato kisha ka ikona te shkruajtura ne greqisht, se nuk meshohet ne shqip ne Sarande e ne Himare se gjuha e meshes eshte zvenitur me fjale te panevojshme greke. Si mendon nje njeri qe ka kaq para sa per te ngritur kaq kisha nuk ka para per te lyer me dy gisht boje nje emer shenjtori ne shqip? Nuk u prish bota pa ato ikona ne shqip por ato simbolizojne dicka shume te madhe dhe une per veten time shoh keqadashesi pas ketij akti. Sa kushton te fshish 10 cm2 nga cdo ikon? Mos vall une duhet ti shoh ato sa here qe futem ne kishe dhe te pres nga zoti ti nderroj? Si do ti nderroj zoti pa neve? Zoti kurr nuk predikuar te rrim e te presim nga ai pa levizur. Mund te me japesh nje mendim pse keto ikona nuk jane shkruajtur ne shqip por vetem te lutem nese do me pergjigjesh mos mu pergjigj me skajizem te tipit Klod.

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