Reflektime mbi tokën e gjyshit tim shqiptar

[FreeByrd]

Say it like it is don't sugar coat it. It is not a matter of credibility; you just don't have an answer to the rest of my questions.

As far as I know Kurds do not have their own independent country, so the comparison is invalid in my book.

I disrespected Edith Durham? I honestly don't remember. If I have then it means Durham’s views where in disagreement with my own. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone who has different views compared to mine. I will argue mine and they can argue theirs until we come to a middle ground or agree to disagree. It is very unlikely I will ever follow someone’s views just because I like the person, or because someone else (aka you) thinks I should.

Finally, who are you calling ignorant and ungrateful for no particular reason? Chill. This lady named Allison, who is some sort of a politician, said a few things I didn't agree with and I spoke my mind. You liked what she wrote and I didn't. If you expect everyone to agree with you then you are asking to form a cult of some kind.

I thrive on difference of opinions. Without it you end up living in Stalin La La Land. What I don't like is petty retorts and disrespect for people by their words and deeds that have earned their wings.
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Unë lulëzojnë në ndryshimin e mendimeve. Pa atë deri në fund që jetojnë në La La Land Stalini. Çfarë nuk më pëlqen është e përgënjeshtron të vogla dhe mosrespektim për njerëzit nga fjalët e tyre dhe veprat që kanë fituar krahët e tyre.

[Diella1]

Actually FreeByrd, I agree with everything that woman says in the article, and thank you for sharing it with us......

[FreeByrd]

Actually FreeByrd, I agree with everything that woman says in the article, and thank you for sharing it with us......

You're welcome. What I really took from the article is exploring Albania was a way for Allison to show respect and love for her grandfather. I also think she wishes the best for the Albanian people and their experiment in democracy.

[Dystopia]

Eshte mese e vertete qe ngjajme me Kurdet per nga aspekti i fatit historik te ketij 100 vjecari te fundit, por eshte po aq e vertete se Kurdet nuk kane ende asnje shtet, madje as nuk mund te imagjinojne te kene figurat historike qe ka patur Shqiperia. Krahasimi eshte disi pa vend, vetem nese Amerika ka ndermend ne te ardhmen te krijoj nje shtet Kurd dhe do te perdori ndonje paralelizem te cuditshem me Shqiperine, por per te tjera, nga ana kulturore dhe jo vetem, Kurdet nuk kane asgje te perbashket me Shqiptaret.

Artikull shume i dobet ne pergjithesi. Nuk kuptova mire se cfare ushqimi Serb paskemi qejf ne ? Byreqet me Pleskavicat(qoftet) ? Ato jane Turke, le ti quajme me emrin qe kane. Shqiptaret nuk para kane merak ta quajne dicka qe nuk i perket te tyren.

[FreeByrd]

Eshte mese e vertete qe ngjajme me Kurdet per nga aspekti i fatit historik te ketij 100 vjecari te fundit, por eshte po aq e vertete se Kurdet nuk kane ende asnje shtet, madje as nuk mund te imagjinojne te kene figurat historike qe ka patur Shqiperia. Krahasimi eshte disi pa vend, vetem nese Amerika ka ndermend ne te ardhmen te krijoj nje shtet Kurd dhe do te perdori ndonje paralelizem te cuditshem me Shqiperine, por per te tjera, nga ana kulturore dhe jo vetem, Kurdet nuk kane asgje te perbashket me Shqiptaret.

Artikull shume i dobet ne pergjithesi. Nuk kuptova mire se cfare ushqimi Serb paskemi qejf ne ? Byreqet me Pleskavicat(qoftet) ? Ato jane Turke, le ti quajme me emrin qe kane. Shqiptaret nuk para kane merak ta quajne dicka qe nuk i perket te tyren.

The Kurds and Albanians are alike by their parallel paths as two ethnic groups that have been forgotten or abused by the major powers that created national boundaries that made certain the Albanians and Kurds would never have a real nation where all the members of that ethnic group could live and bring up their families. The Albanians were more fortunate than the Kurds because they had people like Woodrow Wilson and Edith Durham lobbying for some kind of nation. The Kurds had virtually no famous figures working for their cause. Don't you understand the Kurds are the largest ethnic group in the world that have no homeland. They live in a virtual mega Kosova spread over the nations of Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey. There are approximately 7 million Albanians around the world. At least you have a nation even though a majority live outside your national boundaries. There are approximately 30 million Kurds around the world but they have no nation at all.

Kurds and Albanians
Both used as Janissary troops by the Ottoman Turks
Both are warlike and independent
Both are ethnocentric and refused to be assimilated by other Empires
Both have just recently emerged from tribal roots.
Both are predominately Muslim
Both had populations scattered into other national boundaries.
Both have been victims of ethnic cleansing (Serbs against Albanians) (Turks and Saddam against Kurds)
Both had lives saved during attempted ethnic cleansing by American Jets
Both are notorious for being moderate Muslims that reject extremism
Both are friends of the Americans
Both are a proud, independent, noble people that love their families and want to live in peace and freedom

The Albanians and Kurds are surprisingly alike. Even Vladimir Lenin spoke of the similarities over 100 years ago.
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Kurdët dhe shqiptarët janë të ngjashme me udhët e tyre paralele si dy grupe etnike që janë harruar ose abuzuar nga fuqitë e mëdha që ka krijuar kufijtë kombëtarë që e bëri të caktuara të shqiptarëve dhe kurdëve nuk do të kishte një vend të vërtetë ku të gjithë anëtarët e atij grupi etnik mund të jetojnë dhe të sjellë deri familjet e tyre. Shqiptarët kanë qenë më me fat, se kurdët, sepse ata kishin njerëzit si Woodrow Wilson dhe Edith Durham lobimi për një lloj të kombit.Kurdët nuk ka praktikisht asnjë shifra të famshme që punojnë për çështjen e tyre. A nuk e kuptoni kurdët janë grupi më i madh etnik në botë që nuk kanë atdhe. Ata jetojnë në një Kosovë virtual mega përhapur mbi kombet e Irakut, Siria, Irani dhe Turqia. Ka rreth 7 milionë shqiptarë nëpër botë. Të paktën ju keni një komb, edhe pse një shumicë të jetojnë jashtë kufijve tuaj kombëtar. Ka rreth 30 milion kurdëve të gjithë botën, por ata nuk kanë asnjë komb në të gjitha.

Kurdët dhe shqiptarët
edhe përdoren si trupa jeniçerëve nga turqit otomanë
Të dyja janë luftëdashës dhe të pavarura
Të dyja janë etnocentrike dhe refuzuar të asimiluar nga Empires tjera
Të dy kanë dalë vetëm kohët e fundit nga rrënjët fisnore.
Të dyja janë me shumicë myslimane
Të dy kishin popullsi të shpërndara në kufijtë e tjera kombëtare.
Të dy kanë qenë viktima të spastrimit etnik (serbët kundër shqiptarëve) (turqit dhe Sadam kundër kurdëve)
Të dy kishin shpëtuar jetën gjatë spastrimit etnik nga avionët u përpoq amerikane
Të dy janë të njohur për të qenë myslimanë të moderuar që refuzojnë ekstremizmin
Të dyja janë miqtë e amerikanëve
Të dyja janë një krenare, e pavarur, njerëz fisnik që duan familjet e tyre dhe duan të jetojnë në paqe dhe liri

Shqiptarët dhe Kurdët janë çuditërisht njësoj. Edhe Vladimir Lenini foli për ngjashmëritë në mbi 100 vjet më parë.

[thirsty]

Whisle blowing, doesn't the person have to be alive for her to blow the whisle at them?? As you said that's what her job entitles but instead she doesn't know which way to blow her whisle.


Very professional.


With a statement like this she's spreading miss info. It wasn't just American passport holders that were not allowed to visit Albania under Hoxha's rule.


Macedonia declared independence in 1991. Mother Teresa died in 1997 at the age of 87 years old.


Is that enough to blow the whisle on the whisle blower?

I ati i saj nuk ishte shqiptar? o.O

ja ka fut kot me ate, gabim

The Kurds and Albanians are alike by their parallel paths as two ethnic groups that have been forgotten or abused by the major powers that created national boundaries that made certain the Albanians and Kurds would never have a real nation where all the members of that ethnic group could live and bring up their families. The Albanians were more fortunate than the Kurds because they had people like Woodrow Wilson and Edith Durham lobbying for some kind of nation. The Kurds had virtually no famous figures working for their cause. Don't you understand the Kurds are the largest ethnic group in the world that have no homeland. They live in a virtual mega Kosova spread over the nations of Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey. There are approximately 7 million Albanians around the world. At least you have a nation even though a majority live outside your national boundaries. There are approximately 30 million Kurds around the world but they have no nation at all.

Kurds and Albanians
both used as Janissary troops by the Ottoman Turks
Both are warlike and independent
Both are ethnocentric and refused to be assimilated by other Empires
Both have just recently emerged from tribal roots.
Both are predominately Muslim
Both had populations scattered into other national boundaries.
Both have been victims of ethnic cleansing (Serbs against Albanians) (Turks and Saddam against Kurds)
Both had lives saved during attempted ethnic cleansing by American Jets
Both are notorious for being moderate Muslims that reject extremism
Both are friends of the Americans
Both are a proud, independent, noble people that love their families and want to live in peace and freedom

The Albanians and Kurds are surprisingly alike. Even Vladimir Lenin spoke of the similarities over 100 years ago.
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dude, is not fair
you have to even the score
you forgot to mention gayreeks

Say it like it is don't sugar coat it. It is not a matter of credibility; you just don't have an answer to the rest of my questions.

As far as I know Kurds do not have their own independent country, so the comparison is invalid in my book.
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you don't need to have an independent country to compare two or more ethnic groups.

[white_snake]

Reflektime mbi token e gjyshit tuaj?
Is all very Nobel, educative and evaluated that you want to learn about your origin, the past of your ancestors.
I read through the cited post from ‘da bomb’ Allison Stanger and I am thinking, what a waste of time. ‘Da bomb’ forgets that these wrong-informed bits of information that she has published can be challenged by the 3 million people who were unlucky to live, breathe and experience Hoxha’s regime.
It is true that Comrade Hoxha had isolated Albania and the Albanian people. It is true that our people have historically suffered from poor politicians and governance but that definitely is not what defines the Albanian people.
In my opinion, it is wrong of you to argue so strongly this article only because Allison Stanger is ‘da bomb’.
Forget ‘da bomb’, what do you know about Albania???

[s0ni]

I thrive on difference of opinions. Without it you end up living in Stalin La La Land. What I don't like is petty retorts and disrespect for people by their words and deeds that have earned their wings.

Off hand comments such as the ones I quoted were disrespectful and that’s the reason I called her spiteful. It is commendable the fact that her intentions are good but I don’t agree with some of her views on things.

[FreeByrd]

Reflektime mbi token e gjyshit tuaj?
Is all very Nobel, educative and evaluated that you want to learn about your origin, the past of your ancestors.
I read through the cited post from ‘da bomb’ Allison Stanger and I am thinking, what a waste of time. ‘Da bomb’ forgets that these wrong-informed bits of information that she has published can be challenged by the 3 million people who were unlucky to live, breathe and experience Hoxha’s regime.
It is true that Comrade Hoxha had isolated Albania and the Albanian people. It is true that our people have historically suffered from poor politicians and governance but that definitely is not what defines the Albanian people.
In my opinion, it is wrong of you to argue so strongly this article only because Allison Stanger is ‘da bomb’.
Forget ‘da bomb’, what do you know about Albania???

Allison Stanger came to Albania at the request of the government to engage students about the trials and tribulation of life in an emerging democracy. It was never her intention to antagonize anyone but as an investigative journalist she will report the truth regardless of criticism. Anyone that has the courage to confront the secrecy and misdeeds of the American military industrial complex should be qualified to discuss the problems of a democracy or the negative aspects of Enver Hoxha's dictatorship.

You ask what I know about Albania. Thanks to her I know more than I did before.

You should understand its the function of a free press is to step on people's toes Without investigative journalists discovering and reporting wrongdoing we are all at the mercy of bad government or corporations. Sometimes the truth makes us uncomfortable. Americans were outraged after September 11, 2001. President Bush took advantage of our anger and sorrow by invading Iraq to take out Saddam. He announced to the American people the Iraqi regime was connected to Al Qaeda and had weapons of mass destruction. We trusted our President and supported the war. Journalists investigated and reported there were no weapons of mass destruction and Saddam had no connection to Osama bin Laden. We didn't want to hear the truth. Journalists were met with hostility or apathy. In the end we reluctantly saw the light. Thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians died needlessly because the American people did not heed the reports of a free press.

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Allison Stanger erdhi në Shqipëri me kërkesën e qeverisë për t'u angazhuar studentët në lidhje me gjykimet dhe vuajtjeve të jetës në një demokraci në zhvillim. Ajo kurrë nuk ishte synimi i saj për të armiqësonte askujt, por si një gazetare investigative ajo do të raportojë të vërtetën, pavarësisht nga kritikat. Çdokush që ka guximin të përballet e fshehtësisë dhe të këqija të kompleksit industrial ushtarak amerikan duhet të jetë i kualifikuar për të diskutuar problemet e një demokracie ose aspektet negative të diktaturës Enver Hoxhës.

Ju pyesni se çfarë unë di për Shqipërinë. Falë saj unë e di më shumë se kam bërë më parë.

Ju duhet të kuptoni është funksioni i një shtyp të lirë e saj për të hap në këpucë me majë njerëzve Pa gazetarë hulumtues zbulimin dhe raportimin e këqija të gjithë ne jemi në mëshirën e qeverisë keqe apo korporatat. Nganjëherë e vërteta na bën të pakëndshme. Amerikanët ishin të zemëruar pas 11 shtatorit, 2001. Presidenti Bush mori avantazhin e zemërimit tonë dhe pikëllim, duke pushtuar Irakun për të marrë nga Sadami. Ai njoftoi për popullin amerikan regjimi i Irakut ishte i lidhur me Al Kaedën dhe kishte armë të shkatërrimit në masë. Ne besuar presidenti ynë dhe mbështetur luftën. Gazetarët raportuan hetuar dhe nuk kishte armë të shkatërrimit në masë dhe Sadami nuk kishte lidhje me Osama bin Laden. Ne nuk duan të dëgjojnë të vërtetën. Gazetarët u takua me armiqësi ose apati. Në fund kemi ngurrim e pa dritë. Mijëra ushtarë amerikanë dhe dhjetëra mijëra civilë irakianë vdiqën panevojshme për shkak se populli amerikan nuk e marrin parasysh raportet e një shtyp të lirë.

[white_snake]

..... her intention to antagonize anyone but as an investigative journalist she will report the truth regardless of criticism.

The truth? Who defines such truth, on what basis? At least 30% on what is writen in the article is nothing but lies. I read '.....he banned beards.......vehicles had to pay a $3 disinfection fee and drive through a pool of disinfectant......Anyone bearing an American passport was not allowed to visit Albania......villages form a patchwork quilt of mosques and orthodox churches
.....' etc etc, and i'm thinking is this article maybe writen by Sali Berisha to justify the demolition of 'The Pyramid' ?

Anyone that has the courage to confront the secrecy and misdeeds of the American military industrial complex should be qualified to discuss the problems of a democracy or the negative aspects of Enver Hoxha's dictatorship.

Discuss, YES. Make stuff up just because you can and it might be believable to some, deffinetly NOT!

You ask what I know about Albania. Thanks to her I know more than I did before.

Right here you make think, is it worth me trying to carry on engaging myself in this debate, when you clearly state that the only knowledge you have upon Albania is based on one single article. Quite cearly you haven't even tried to verify how accurate the information provided in 'da bomb's' article is. You seem like a smart individual which makes me wonder, are you really that naive to keep on agruing 'da bomb's' article with your eyes shut, knowing nothing else about Albania but what you have read in one single article.

You should understand its the function of a free press is to step on people's toes Without investigative journalists discovering and reporting wrongdoing we are all at the mercy of bad government or corporations.

I totally agree, but only when 'Investigative Journalism' is conducted with profesionalism and aims discovering the truth, not just to brainwash and confuse people. People are confused as it is, don't damage them any further.

President Bush took advantage of our anger and sorrow by invading Iraq to take out Saddam. He announced to the American people the Iraqi regime was connected to Al Qaeda and had weapons of mass destruction. We trusted our President and supported the war. Journalists investigated and reported there were no weapons of mass destruction and Saddam had no connection to Osama bin Laden. We didn't want to hear the truth.

You were confused, I hope you understand me now.
The sad fact is that even if you heard the truth and stood by it the political power would've still carried on with their decision, like they did!
Which is exactly where the Albanian people stand right now, depended on the greater political powers and the hunger for power of our politicians.