Sa janë shqiptarët afër kulturës evropiane?

[Toffee]

Ka mundesi te me perkufizoi dikush me ca nenkuptojme kulture demokratike europiane ne kete teme?


Sipas Heredotit, mbreti persian therret grekerit edhe i pyet a mund ti hani te vdekurit tuaj? Greket te neveritur i thane jo. Ne nje rast tjeter ne prani te grekerve mbreti persian pyet disa indian cmendonin ti digjinin kufomat e te vdekurve. Indianet te neveritur te neveritur po aq sa greket thane jo...
shenim: Grekerit i digjnin kurse indianet i hanin te vdekurit e tyre.

Anekdota e Herodotit qe perfundon me thenien e Pindarit: Zakoni eshte mbreti i te gjitheve (ang. Custom is the king of all)

Besoj se me kete tregim deri diku po i pergjigjem kesaj pyetje.

[Toffee]

Pikerisht kjo kulture te ruajti edhe ty si musliman shqiptar nga degradimi gjenetik,

Edhe pse per mua eshte e papranueshme martesa me dike te aferm, dua te them qe eshte nje absurditet te thuash qe keto martesa sjellin degjenerim gjenetik.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...y-1210072.html

[Plaku me kostum]

Ka mundesi te me perkufizoi dikush me ca nenkuptojme kulture demokratike europiane ne kete teme?

me duket se kam bere me pare pyetje te tille, a e kam menduar,
se di :S

Kjo teme duhej mbyllur qe me pare se kjo nuk vlen per gje tjeter vetem per te ulur vendin tone.

ne shqiptaret jemi aq prapa kultures evropiane saqe nuk ja vlen as te flasesh per kte.....mua me qudit fakti qe disa antare ne FSH. thon se evropianet kan marre kulturen ton hahah....lodhje

O parazit, po cfare ka nje Gjerman a nje Italian a nje Anglez me shume se ne? Asgje me shume se kushte me te mira jetese.

Shqiperia nuk eshte prapa kultures Europiane dhe as ajo Europiane nuk eshte prapa kultures Shqiptare. Europa eshte nje kontinent ku perbehet nga shume kombe, njesoj si dhe "kultura europiane" perbehet nga kultura e kombeve te ndryshme qe jetojne e kane jetuar ne kete kontinent. Pervec ketyre kombeve "kultura europiane" merr dhe nga kombe te tjera qe jane jashte Europe sepse kur njerezit levizin, levizin dhe idete, menyra se si ata jetojne, traditat e tyre dhe keto gjera mund te merren nga vendalinjte dhe keshtu i bashkangjiten "kultures europiane".

Nuk duhet pyetur sa afer jemi ne por cfare vendi zem ne, ku jemi ne ne "kulturen europiane"?

[Akili-A]

me duket se kam bere me pare pyetje te tille, a e kam menduar,
se di :S

Kjo teme duhej mbyllur qe me pare se kjo nuk vlen per gje tjeter vetem per te ulur vendin tone.


O parazit, po cfare ka nje Gjerman a nje Italian a nje Anglez me shume se ne? Asgje me shume se kushte me te mira jetese.

Shqiperia nuk eshte prapa kultures Europiane dhe as ajo Europiane nuk eshte prapa kultures Shqiptare. Europa eshte nje kontinent ku perbehet nga shume kombe, njesoj si dhe "kultura europiane" perbehet nga kultura e kombeve te ndryshme qe jetojne e kane jetuar ne kete kontinent. Pervec ketyre kombeve "kultura europiane" merr dhe nga kombe te tjera qe jane jashte Europe sepse kur njerezit levizin, levizin dhe idete, menyra se si ata jetojne, traditat e tyre dhe keto gjera mund te merren nga vendalinjte dhe keshtu i bashkangjiten "kultures europiane".

Nuk duhet pyetur sa afer jemi ne por cfare vendi zem ne, ku jemi ne ne "kulturen europiane"?

njesoj jemi. po e the ti, ashtu eshte.

para disa vitesh, nje gazetar shkon para kongresit te nje partie te madhe ne tirane, ku kishin ardhur delegate nga e gjithe shqiperia.
gazetari fillon ti pyesi se c`ndryshim keni ju nga kongresmenat amerikan.
"asigjo thoshin ata, na marshin t`keqen ne se jena mo t`mir,kena qyltyr t`lashte, jena pllazg" njeri tha se ishte i modernizum, se kishta hapur andres n`jahu.

[ane]

Edhe pse per mua eshte e papranueshme martesa me dike te aferm, dua te them qe eshte nje absurditet te thuash qe keto martesa sjellin degjenerim gjenetik.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...y-1210072.html

Te gjej mijera e mijera artikuj shkencor ku thuhet se martesa me kusherinje sjell degjenerim gjenetik ,siq jane semundje te ndryshme dhe intelegjence te ulet,sot do te sjell vetem disa por ajo qe eshte e rendesishme me apo pa keto studime gjendja e mjere e muslimaneve shihet ,duhet te jesh i "verber" per te mos pare katandisjen intelektuale te muslimaneve.
Ja disa studime:



Muslim inbreeding is causing a massive surge in birth defects:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...h-defects.html


Phil Woolas, an environment minister, said the culture of arranged marriages between first cousins was the “elephant in the room”. Woolas, a former race relations minister, said: “If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there’ll be a genetic problem.” The minister, whose views were supported by medical experts this weekend, said: “The issue we need to debate is first cousin marriages, whereby a lot of arranged marriages are with first cousins, and that produces lots of genetic problems in terms of disability [in children].” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3342040.ece


Banned in Holland
The Dutch cabinet wants to ban marriages between cousins and to introduce harsher educational requirements for import brides, PM Jan Peter Balkenende told the Parliament Thursday. http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/20...an-cousin.html

Massive burden on health service
Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses. The question to think about is: Could the practice of interbreeding be the key to the success and longevity of Islam? Could it be that the genetic and mental illnesses borne of interbreeding are a factor in the unquestioning nature of the majority of Muslims regarding spirituality? http://jacksachinghead.blogspot.com/...n-genetic.html


Successive generations of cousin marriage damage the genes and produce widespread idiocy and insanity - Muslim Healthcare Study
A problem obviously not talked about much in the Muslim world. 1,400 years of inbreeding (think first cousins marrying) have resulted in a significant on-going health problem and degraded gene pool. While this may explain a lot of things with this culture, how will such immigrants and their ways impact our lives and healthcare support costs. Quite a revelation here from a Denmark study where the impact is obvious. This is serious stuff and you should be aware of this research.

Nicolai Sennels is a Danish psychologist who has done extensive research into a little-known problem in the Muslim world: the disastrous results of Muslim inbreeding brought about by the marriage of first-cousins.

This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world.

This practice of inbreeding will never go away in the Muslim world since Muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters, including marriage.

The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health.

According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. In Pakistan , the numbers approach 70%. Even in England , more than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins, and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.

The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia, 64% in Jordan and Kuwait , 63% in Sudan , 60% in Iraq , and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar .

According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the births in the UK , they account for 33% of children with genetic birth defects.

The risk of what are called autosomal recessive disorders such as cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy is 18 times higher and the risk of death due to malformations is 10 times higher.

Other negative consequences of inbreeding include a 100 percent increase in the risk of stillbirths and a 50% increase in the possibility that a child will die during labor.

Lowered intellectual capacity is another devastating consequence of Muslim marriage patterns. According to Sennels, research shows that children of consanguinous marriages lose 10-16 points off their IQ and that social abilities develop much slower in inbred babies.

The risk of having an IQ lower than 70, the official demarcation for being classified as “retarded,” increases by an astonishing 400 percent among children of cousin marriages.

(Similar effects were seen in the Pharaonic dynasties in ancient Egypt and in the British royal family, where inbreeding was the norm for a significant period of time.)

In Denmark , non-Western immigrants are more than 300 percent more likely to fail the intelligence test required for entrance into the Danish army.

Sennels says that “the ability to enjoy and produce knowledge and abstract thinking is simply lower in the Islamic world.” He points out that the Arab world translates just 330 books every year, about 20% of what Greece alone does.

In the last 1,200 years years of Islam, just 100,000 books have been translated into Arabic, about what Spain does in a single year. Seven out of 10 Turks have never even read a book.

Sennels points out the difficulties this creates for Muslims seeking to succeed in the West. “A lower IQ, together with a religion that denounces critical thinking, surely makes it harder for many Muslims to have success in our high-tech knowledge societies.”

Only nine Muslims have every won the Nobel Prize, and five of those were for the “Peace Prize.” According to Nature magazine, Muslim countries produce just 10 percent of the world average when it comes to scientific research (measured by articles per million inhabitants).

In Denmark , Sennels’ native country, Muslim children are grossly overrepresented among children with special needs. One-third of the budget for Danish schools is consumed by special education, and anywhere from 51% to 70% of retarded children with physical handicaps in Copenhagen have an immigrant background.

Learning ability is severely affected as well. Studies indicated that 64% of school children with Arabic parents are still illiterate after 10 years in the Danish school system. The immigrant drop-out rate in Danish high schools is twice that of the native-born.

Mental illness is also a product. The closer the blood relative, the higher the risk of schizophrenic illness. The increased risk of insanity may explain why more than 40% of the patients in Denmark’s biggest ward for clinically insane criminals have an immigrant background.

The U.S. is not immune. According to Sennels, “One study based on 300,000 Americans shows that the majority of Muslims in the USA have a lower income, are less educated, and have worse jobs than the population as a whole.” Sennels concludes:

There is no doubt that the wide spread tradition of first cousin marriages among Muslims has harmed the gene pool among Muslims. Because Muslims’ religious beliefs prohibit marrying non-Muslims and thus prevents them from adding fresh genetic material to their population, the genetic damage done to their gene pool since their prophet allowed first cousin marriages 1,400 years ago are most likely massive. (This has produced) overwhelming direct and indirect human and societal consequences.

[Toffee]

Ane me fal po kam ca pyetje per ty
1. E di kuptimin e studimeve shkencore??
2. I lexon ato link-et qe me dergon??

Cdo popullat/race jane mbartese te semundjeve gjenetike..diku me shume diku me pak. Populli shqipetar eshte 6% mbartes i talesmis psh.
Martesa brenda fisit rrit mundesin e shfaqjeve te semundjeve gjenetike me gen te fshehur (recessive gene disease). Po kjo sdo te thote degjenerim gjenetik sic shprehesh ti.
Nje rast tjeter eshte i popullit te cifuteve Ashkenazi..te keta shifen shume semundje gjenetike sepse martohen zakonishte vetem brenda tyre. Ama kjo gje nuk do te thote qe une mund te them qe keta jane te degjeneruar gjenetikisht sepse jane cifut psh..
http://children.webmd.com/tc/ashkena...netic-diseases

Rreth nje prej link-ve qe me dergove eshte nje artikull te cilit i lexova nje prej burimeve.
Mundesishte lexoje edhe ti kur te kesh kohe...
http://jacksachinghead.blogspot.com/...n-genetic.html (linku jot origjinal edhe me poshte nje prej burimeve ne te cilat bazohet)
http://www.as.wvu.edu/~kgarbutt/Quan...Inbreeding.htm

[ane]

Ane me fal po kam ca pyetje per ty
1. E di kuptimin e studimeve shkencore??
2. I lexon ato link-et qe me dergon??

Cdo popullat/race jane mbartese te semundjeve gjenetike..diku me shume diku me pak. Populli shqipetar eshte 6% mbartes i talesmis psh.
Martesa brenda fisit rrit mundesin e shfaqjeve te semundjeve gjenetike me gen te fshehur (recessive gene disease). Po kjo sdo te thote degjenerim gjenetik sic shprehesh ti.
Nje rast tjeter eshte i popullit te cifuteve Ashkenazi..te keta shifen shume semundje gjenetike sepse martohen zakonishte vetem brenda tyre. Ama kjo gje nuk do te thote qe une mund te them qe keta jane te degjeneruar gjenetikisht sepse jane cifut psh..
http://children.webmd.com/tc/ashkena...netic-diseases

Rreth nje prej link-ve qe me dergove eshte nje artikull te cilit i lexova nje prej burimeve.
Mundesishte lexoje edhe ti kur te kesh kohe...
http://jacksachinghead.blogspot.com/...n-genetic.html (linku jot origjinal edhe me poshte nje prej burimeve ne te cilat bazohet)
http://www.as.wvu.edu/~kgarbutt/Quan...Inbreeding.htm

Jo ,nuk e di ,skam pas fatin si ty te ndricohem nga shkenca islamike
Pra martesa brenda fisit rrit mundesine e shfaqjes se semundjeve gjenetike por ajo i prek vetem hebrejet ashkenazi e jo arabo-muslimanet sepse ata i mbron Allahu ,apo jo?!!
E ke iden cka eshte degjenerim ,mendon se te degjeneruar jane vetem kurvat e kurvaret (siq quhen ne popull)?!!

[Toffee]

Jo ,nuk e di ,skam pas fatin si ty te ndricohem nga shkenca islamike
Pra martesa brenda fisit rrit mundesine e shfaqjes se semundjeve gjenetike por ajo i prek vetem hebrejet ashkenazi e jo arabo-muslimanet sepse ata i mbron Allahu ,apo jo?!!
E ke iden cka eshte degjenerim ,mendon se te degjeneruar jane vetem kurvat e kurvaret (siq quhen ne popull)?!!

Moj goce spo e kuptoj pse po fut fene ne kete mes??
Ato qe shkruaj une, pse i shtremberon??
Apo si thote nje fjale e urte japoneze...2/3 e shikimit jane pas syve.

ps: po flisnim per degjenerim gjenetik e jo degjenerim rruge, kshu qe mos fol percart te lutem.

[the admiral]

statistikat e UN e nxjerrin shqiperine vendin me kriminalitetin me te larte ne europe.
ps. per 2012 ne 2 milion e 800 mije banore qe jetojne aktualisht ne shqiperi
jane vrare 127 vete kurse ne maqedoni 40 vete ne serbi 123 vete

cilat statistika?
statistikat e UN thone se vendet europiane me numrin me te madh te vrasjeve ne raport me popullsine jane ukraina, biellorusia, estonia, lituania, moldavia e rusia...
127 vrasje ne shqiperi, 40 ne maqedoni e 123 ne serbi??? ne vitin 2012???
po pse genjen ore aqil, pse genjen??

[Sdo]

un mendoj se sa me shum shqiptaret ti afrohen kultures se vet,,aq me mire do te jete per kulturen Europjane,,,por ne rrjedhen e logjikes se Gjerave ne pergjithsi As Shqiptaret dhe As Europjanet nuk e kan te natyres ti kuptojn dhe ti marin gjerat persmbrapshti,,si per shembull fjala Malsi,,,eshte bukur ashtu sic esht,,kthimi i saj bothprap,,simbolizon vdekjen e fjales persmbari !