Studim i cuditshem gjenetik per Shqiptaret!!!

[Sturmgewehr]

Si e para ketu eshte Studimi edhe analiza qe eshte bere.

e hasa kete teme ne forumin Eupedia.

Linku i dokumentit ku mund ta download-oni:

http://uploading.com/files/a5m795ce/...dy%2B2011.pdf/

Disa keputje nga Dokumenti:

ne faqen 5 te dokumentit e thote kete:

When admixture analyses are performed using the
non-Balkan Europeans, the Caucasus, and the Middle
East/Anatolia as parents, the European group is the
major contributor to every Balkan population analyzed
(Table 4). European influences range from 100% in
Croatia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina to as low as 69%
in the Albanians. Middle Eastern influences are null
in most Balkan collections with the exemptions of Montenegro
(3.8%) and Albania (31.0%). Influences from
Caucasia range from 0.0% in Albania, Croatia and
Bosnia and Herzegovina to 14.7% in Slovenia. Geneflow,
throughout the Balkans, appears mostly guided by geographical
relationships as populations found proximal to
each other are the main contributors to each other. For
example, neighbors Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Croatia
contribute 83.0% and 97.7% to each other, respectively
(for a detailed report, see Table 5).

Kjo eshte tema ku disa po diskutojne per lidhjen Gjenetike dhe Kulturore ndermjet Shqiptarve dhe Berberve te Afrikes se perendimit.:

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthr...631#post363631

Disa poste interesante:

Burimi: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpos...6&postcount=33

thing is they do cluster with each other...
according to

Forensic Science International: Genetics doi:10.1016/j.fsigen.2010.09.010
Geostatistical inference of main Y-STR-haplotype groups in Europe
Amalia Diaz-Lacava et al.


http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/11...an-y-strs.html
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT...trclusters.png


Albanians (cluster 13) cluster first with central Anatolia (cluster 5),
than this cluster clusters with
cluster made of cluster 18 (Serbs, Croats, central Ukraine, Romania, east and west Hungary) and cluster 10 (? not indicated anywhere),

than this cluster composed of clusters 13, 18, 5 and 10 clusters with north west Africa (cluster 3),

and only than this cluster clusters with cluster made of clusters 7(northeast Africa?) , 12, 15 and 2 (Greeks , Macedonians & Bulgars).....

east Europe cluster 17 (Russians and Poles) cluster with Caucasus (11) and than this cluster clusters with west Europe cluster 6..


*Cluster 13 (Albanian) was registered as second in frequency in the region of Anatolia and
the border region of Latvia,Belarus,and the Russian Federation (data not shown).

in any case northwest Africa (Berbers) thus cluster with Balkans.... perhaps due to Phoenicians... or due to some much older link... or due to settlement of Vandals and Alans in northwest Africa...

Burimi: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpos...7&postcount=34

It is no longer current.

You can read new scientific articles about it.

Haak et. al.

PLOS Biology, November 2010

Ancient DNA from European Early Neolithic Farmers Reveals Their Near Eastern Affinities

“We genetically characterized a population of the earliest farming culture inCentral Europe, the Linear Pottery Culture (LBK; 5,500–4,900 calibrated B.C.) and used comprehensive phylogeographic andpopulation genetic analyses to locate its origins within the broader Eurasian region, and to trace potential dispersal routesinto Europe.”

The authors did not find that the E haplogroup existed at that time in Europe. This means that the holders of E came to Europe after 4900 BC.

When they arrived (about 4000 BC or 3000 BC or later?) establish new researchs. Do E carriers were at the time of 5000 years BC in West Asia or Africa? Certainly, and this will determine the researchs, but in Europe, according to a study Haak et al, E carriers were not.

Now, you can look at this picture of the spread of haplogroup E.





Pay attention to the E-M78, from which it originated and E-V13 and territory. It is believed that the source is Upper Egypt. With picture you can see that E bearers went to Western Africa and north into Western Asia. So the current holders of E-V13 haplogroups in the Balkans is very likely come from the Upper Egypt (and more before from Somalia/Ethiopia).


Now look at this picture.




Here you can see that the Egyptian and Proto-berber (formerly classified as Hamitic, and Afro-Asiatic, and now increasingly used the term Afrasian) occurred about 9000 years ago.

The separation Chusitic and Proto-North-Erythraic languages occurred before 13,000 years, a Protoboreafrasian and Protochadic were taking about 11,000 years ago.

We still do not know when exactly E carriers crossed from Africa to the Asian continent is. the Middle East, but if it happened later than 9000 years it makes sense to look for similarities in today's Berber languages with Albanian, also with the Coptic language (Coptic unfortunately is almost extinct).

If E carriers previously crossed into Asia, then it makes sense to look for similarities in some of the languages that are climbing up the tree in Figure.


I said before, no invariant knowledge, science is a dynamic, new research results and lead to changes earlier opinions, enrichment of knowledge and new knowledge.

Burimi: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpos...1&postcount=36

Dian
It was written by authors of the work, this new article can be found and you can read.

The authors mentioned that they didn't find several haplogroup among them that haplogroup E was not at that time in Europe (probably E was in Western Asia at that time and of course in Africa).

Interestingly one reads the paper for several reasons. Here is one of the key sentences of the work relevant to the general knowledge:

"However, the LBK population also showed unique genetic features including a clearly distinct distribution of mitochondrial haplogroup frequencies, confirming that major demographic events continued to take place in Europe after the early Neolithic."

i still believe that is very much connected with J2,
the propabilty both came same time but different class like merchants and builders,
besides shqiptar is a turkish word shqepar meaning axe, the only other civilization with axe is minoan lavrys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrys

the possibility of a big number o turcish words leads me to the conclusion that are hetit and to a though or thesis that are 2 E one that unite troy via hetit and lydian support, became mysian and travel with moesian to gaete-dacian
and one that is connected with greeks only,

but the IE similarity of achamenides agamemnon achaic people and achaic also agaic-> to geg, also the gygy people on lydia and in moesia, leads me to a conclusion that the E
1) either was cut from south balkan E nad reunite after lingua change in south E
2) either was another and has to do with lycaonia and lydia, and was assimilated by troy thracians and pass by myssian to moesia

Burimi: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpos...2&postcount=37

Burimi: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpos...7&postcount=43

THEN YOU ARE RIGHT
IF Sqepar- adz, from Sqep + ar
and the turks also called skeparn in areas like minor Asia smyrna and cappadokia

so then
we go to the other approach

SHQIPTAR = ISH + GIPT + AR means I AM EGYPTIAN g as wh in what if g as k the coptic
cause in byzantine egyptians even today they are called GYPT-IAN and the COPTIC KOPT-ES = COPT-ES
then THAT APPROACH FITS TO YOU,
MEANING THAT SHQIPTAR MEANS EGYPTIAN.

OR ESH + GIPT + AR = FROM EGYPT ???????
also Ash means from but only in east ionic


i suggest you tell me who is

David Megas Komnenos comnenus

or

Michael Komnenos Comnenus

or

Alexander Ypsilantis

all from comnana of Trebizond Empire to Con/polis to Epirus to moldavia


because Skiptos means bowed but sgiptos means egyptian
k as gr κ
g as γ -wh- in what 'swhiptos'

or the very ancient before 700 BC skif-os or skiphos wich in aeolian druopean (thessaly) means ksifos early kind of spear, the metallic nose-edge of the spear,
cause in case that shqiptar means form egypt then we have a small lingua conection with egypt,
but in case of shqiptar means something like the sword, then the similarity with proto-greeks is obvious
Gods what the f... happened to greek language?
And the book thot parllara albanese is correct,
and maybe solves problems and gives us light,
cause until now albanian language is considered the most isolated and the lingua with the most unknown words
if giuseppe catapano (Gaetapanou in greek means captain panos)
is correct then a new search era begins, and may also corrects mistakes of the past of all balkans nations, it can help us all,
anywhere i can find it? only italy arbers?

[Zoti Basha]

kampionimi? data e studimit? teknika? e vetmja pergjigje gjenetike qe mund te dime eshte nese secili nga ne e ben studimin per veten, se me studime te tilla te pergjithshme veshtire te dale gje ne drite.

[s0ni]

Lexova ca shkrime kushtuar kesaj teme tek linku qe sollet. Thashe se do mesoja dicka te re por dola me teper e hutuar.
Nejse nje studim ishte, kur te behen te tjera qe ta konfirmojne kete do ta besoj.

[Fishtani1]

Ca ben Sturm?, po sjell shkrime se qka flasin ne forum kalamajt fyrom/grek? e asnje artikull studimi nuk ke sjellur. Nuk je tip qe s'din antropologji ndaj po habitem pse poston shkrime pa vlera.

Ate shkrimin qe e paska bere ai greku, e din shume mire qe diku rreth 25% subcladet e tyre korespedojne me popujt e lindjes se mesme...kurse shqiptaret nuk e kane as 1%.

Emri i temes eshte shume e gabuar sepse studim te tille nuk ka, ti ke sjellur vetem opinionet e grekut dhe serbit (forumista) me prapavija urretjesh, dhe asgje nuk ka shkencore aty. Per greket qka te flas ne cdo kesi lloje forumesh i ofendojne gjithe ne baze gjenetike dhe racore kurse per shqiptaret nuk pretendime te tilla nga evropianet qe marrin vesh per antropologji.

[eralni]

Po mir qe sdalim jashtoksor ne.Studime te mirfillta gjenetike per lidhjen nacionale-gjenetike ska.Sa per ca jemi ne ,vetem duke pare friken deri ne palce qe i eshte futur "komshive" tane duhet te themi cne?Cne kta te pa fajshmit me te drejten e "zotit" se gelltisin dot qe ne egzistojme qe nga koha e Homerit,qe gjua kultura tradita eshte aq e pasur dhe e vecante sa ska te dyte.Por kur mer skllavi (dhe seshte lapsus skllavi=slavi) te ngri koken na thote ne qe vien nga pasardhes fisnik .Mos ngateroni cjapin me kasapin lereni kohen te tregoje kush jemi ne e kush jane ata.Sbehen me spastrime etnike ,se e mer vesh bota per 2minuta dhe ste le,sa per kush jemi ne le ta tregoje gjaku te verteten e te parve tane .