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    Curva Sud Milano Maska e niku-nyc
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    Mbase ky artikull do tju mesoj realitetin perverc lajmeve qe lexoni per blerjen e borxheve nga Kina ose Kina qe do dominoj boten.

    Mos harroni pse shkoj Nixon ne Kine dhe si Kina u hap ekonomikisht dhe pse Amerika e beri/donte qe Kina te hapej.
    Gjithashtu mos harroni se kush e krijoj dhe pse e krijuan International Monetary Fund dhe World Bank.

    Amerika tashti e ka filluar me Indine per disa arsye qe vetem koha do ta treoj se per cfare. Ne fund se fundi sado te tjeret te rriten ato te rrezoen, ne fund fiton vetem Washingtoni. Ky vend gjithnje ka qen ne kriza ekonomike dhe gjithnje ka patur nevoje per rival ne te njejtin nivel. Botes i nevojitet vende te tilla si Kina apo India (qe do behet njesoj) qe te jen sa me te fuqishem ekonomikisht.

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    The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

    China: the coming costs of a superbubble

    China may seem to have defied the recession and the laws of economics. It hasn't. When China's bubble bursts, the global impact will be severe, spiking US interest rates.

    By Vitaliy N. Katsenelson
    posted March 16, 2010 at 2:34 pm EDT

    Denver —
    The world looks at China with envy. China’s economy grew 8.7 percent last year, while the world economy contracted by 2.2 percent. It seems that Chinese “Confucian capitalism” – a market economy powered by 1.3 billion people and guided by an authoritarian regime that can pull levers at will – is superior to our touchy-feely democracy and capitalism. But the grass on China’s side of the fence is not as green as it appears.

    In fact, China’s defiance of the global recession is not a miracle – it’s a superbubble. When it deflates, it will spell big trouble for all of us.

    To understand the Chinese economy, consider three distinct periods: “Late-stage growth obesity” (the decade prior to 2008); “You lie!” (the time of the financial crisis); and finally, “Steroids ’R’ Us” (from the end of the financial crisis to today).

    Late-stage growth obesity

    About a decade ago, the Chinese government chose a policy of growth at any cost. China’s leaders see strong gross domestic product (GDP) growth not just as bragging rights, but as essential for political survival and national stability.

    Because China lacks the social safety net of the developed world, unemployed people aren’t just inconvenienced by the loss of their jobs, they starve; and hungry people don’t complain, they riot and cause political unrest.

    Remember the 1994 movie “Speed”? A young cop (Keanu Reeves) had to save passengers on a bus that would explode if its speed dropped below 50 m.p.h. Well, China is like that bus with 1.3 billion people aboard. If the Communist Party can’t keep the economy growing at a fast clip, the result will be catastrophic.

    To achieve high growth, China kept its currency, the renminbi, at artificially low levels against the dollar. This helped already cheap Chinese-made goods become even cheaper. China turned into a significant exporter to the developed economies.

    Normally, if free-market economic forces were at work, the renminbi would have appreciated and the US dollar would have declined. However, had China let this occur, demand for its products would have declined, and its economy wouldn’t have grown at roughly 10 percent a year, which it did during the past decade.

    The more China sold to the United States, the more dollars it accumulated, and thus the more US Treasuries it bought, driving our interest rates down. US consumers responded to these cheap goods and cheap home loans by going on a buying binge.

    However, companies and countries that grow at very high rates for a long time will inevitably suffer from late-stage growth obesity. Consider Starbucks: In 1999, it had 2,000 stores and was adding 1.8 stores a day. In 2007, when it had 10,000 stores, it had to open 5.5 stores a day in a desperate bid to keep growth rates up. This resulted in poor decisions and poor quality – a recipe for disaster.

    In China, political pressure for full employment has led to similar late-stage growth obesity. In 2005, China built the largest shopping mall in the world, the New South China Mall: Today it’s 99 percent vacant. China also built up a lavish district in a city called Ordos: Today, it’s a ghost town.

    You lie!

    All good things come to an end, and great things come to an end with a bang. When the financial meltdown erupted in 2008, US and global banks started dropping like flies. Countries everywhere suffered contraction.

    Even China.

    During the crisis, Chinese exports were down more than 25 percent, tonnage of goods shipped through railroads was down by double digits, and electricity use plummeted.

    Yet Beijing insisted that China had magically sustained 6 to 8 percent growth.

    China lies. It goes to great lengths to maintain appearances, including censoring media and jailing those who write antigovernment articles. That’s why we have to rely on hard data instead.

    Steroids ‘R’ Us

    Today the global economy is stabilizing, thanks to Uncle Sam and other “uncles” around the world. But the consumers of Chinese-made goods are still in debt, unemployment is high, and banks aren’t lending. You might think the Chinese economy would be growing at a lower rate. But no, it is growing again at nearly 10 percent, as though the financial crisis never occurred.

    Though this growth appears to be authentic – electricity consumption is back up – it is not sustainable growth, because it is based on an unprecedented stimulus package and extraordinary government involvement in the economy.

    In the midst of the financial crisis, in late 2008, Beijing fire-hosed a $568 billion stimulus into the Chinese economy. That’s enormous! As a percentage of GDP, it would be like a $2 trillion stimulus in America, nearly triple the size of the one Congress passed last year.

    It gets even more interesting. Unlike Western democracies, whose central banks can pump a lot of money into the financial system but can’t force banks to lend or consumers and corporations to spend, China can achieve both at lightning speed.

    The government controls the banks, so it can make them lend, and it can force state-owned enterprises (one-third of the economy) to borrow and to spend. Also, because the rule of law and human and property rights are still underdeveloped, China can spend infrastructure project money very fast – if a school is in the way of a road the government wants to build, it becomes a casualty for the greater good.

    Government is horrible at allocating large amounts of capital, especially at the speed it is done in China. Political decisions (driven by the goal of full employment) are often uneconomical, and corruption and cronyism result in projects that destroy value.

    To maintain high employment, China has poured money into infrastructure and real estate projects. This explains why, in 2009, new floor space doubled and residential real estate prices surged 25 percent. This also explains why the Chinese keep building new skyscrapers even though existing ones are still vacant.

    The enormous stimulus has exacerbated problems that already existed, threatening to turn China into a less shiny but more drastic version of debt-riddled Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

    What happens in China doesn’t stay in China. A meltdown there – or even a slowdown – would have severe consequences for the rest of the world.

    It will tank the commodity markets. Demand for industrial goods will fall off the cliff. Finally, Chinese appetite for our fine currency will diminish, driving the dollar lower against the renminbi and boosting our interest rates higher. No more 5 percent mortgages and 6 percent car loans.

    No shortcuts to greatness

    We look at China and are mesmerized by its 1.3 billion people, its achievements of the past decade, its recent economic resiliency, and its ability to achieve spectacular results on the fly. But we have to remember that economic bubbles are usually just a good thing taken too far. The Chinese economy is no exception. Its long-term future may be bright, but in the short run we’ve got a bubble on our hands.

    Everyone wants a shortcut to greatness, but there isn’t one. China has been trying to bend the laws of economics for a while, and with the control it exerts over its economy it may seem that it’s succeeded.

    But this is only a temporary mirage, which must be followed by a painful reality. No, there is no shortcut to greatness – not in personal life, not in politics, and not in economics.
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  2. #62
    Persa i perket Obames dhe "lutjeve" qe ai po i ben Kines per yuan-in, me te vertet kujtoni se Kina eshte me teper se Obama ne kontroll te te gjithe kesaj situate?

    Sa here qe Amerika hedh dollar ne treg ( si psh. $3 trillion) e ben Kinen te flasi me vete sepse kjo do te thote qe jo vetem dollari eshte me i ulet dhe Amerika vazhdon t'i paguaj borxhet e saj ndaj Kines me dollar te zhvleresuar, por po ashtu pjesa e fuqise se Kines ne baze te dollarit qe ka ne rezervat e saj, sa vjen dhe zhvleresohet gje qe kuptohet nuk i intereson aspak Kines. Pikerisht per kete arsye Kina dhe Rusia lidhen mareveshjen e tyre qe nuk do perdorin me dollarin amerikan per tregetite ndermjet tyre por do perdorin monedhen e tyre respektive. Me kete ata po perpiqen qe te zvogelojne ndikimin e dollarit ne tregun internacional. A do arrijne ta realizojne qellimin e tyre? Kjo mbetet per t'u pare...

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    Citim Postuar mė parė nga -BATO- Lexo Postimin
    Kina nuk pranon emigrantė, po edhe sikur tė pranonte, tė bardhėt nuk emigrojnė nė vendet e tė verdhėve. Ja pėr shembull, Japonia dhe Koreja e Jugut janė vende tė pasura. Pse nuk ka emigrim masiv tė tė bardhėve nė Japoni dhe Kore tė Jugut?

    Sikur Kina tė pranonte emigrantė, sigurisht qė aty tė shkonin nga vendet e varfra rreth e rrotull.

    Kėtu nuk po themi qė Kina sot e ka ekonominė dhe mirėqenien nė tė njėjtin nivel me vendet perėndimore, por jemi duke thėnė qė Kina po vjen duke u rritur, ndėrsa Perėndimi po vjen duke u ulur.
    Nuk shkon njeri ne Japoni? Ka mbi 2 milion emigrante. Ka amerikane plot qe shkojne.

    Kurse kinezet ikin emigrante ne gjithe boten e deri ne Shqiperi. Mos flasim per Ameriken e rrenuar qe eshte plot me kinez.

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    MR. BEAN - Laden Maska e the admiral
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    Nuk shkon njeri ne Japoni? Ka mbi 2 milion emigrante. Ka amerikane plot qe shkojne.

    Kurse kinezet ikin emigrante ne gjithe boten e deri ne Shqiperi. Mos flasim per Ameriken e rrenuar qe eshte plot me kinez.
    japonia ka 130 milione e ti thua qe ka 2 milione emigrante... lol...

    kinezet kane nje mentalitet qe ne shqiptaret nuk e konceptojme.
    ata emigrojne edhe ne vende te varfera. ka kinez neper senegal e vende te tjera te afrikes.
    ka kineze sa te duash edhe ne republike dominikane e vende te tjera ameikano latine.
    Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam

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    i/e larguar Maska e Traboini
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    Citim Postuar mė parė nga peshkaqeni33 Lexo Postimin
    Mos u be qesharak! Mos u mundo te shpjegosh ate qe nuk e kuptojne as ekonomistet me te famshem te botes. Mrekullin ekonomike Kineze.
    Cfar eshte per mos tu kuptur ketu. Kina prodhon produkte me licence perendimore, sepse eshte shume me profitabile per kompanite perendimore te paguajne puntorin $1 ne ore sesa $20 ne ore. Ne tregjet perendimore pothuaj se cdo gje eshte "Made in China" por te gjitha jane kompani perendimore. Mos harro 600 miljon njerez ne Kine jetojne me $1 ne dite. Te ardhurat per peson jane $4800 ne vit (ne USA $47000 ne vit). Se Kina eshte fuqi ne rritje s'e kam dilemen, por shume ekonomiste e suportojne mendimin se rritja dhe zgjerimi ekonomik i Kines i perngjan investimeve Japoneze ne Amerike ne vitet '80 kur blene pothuaj se cdo gje qe ishte per shitje. Japonia u dogj keq me kete, dhe Amerika fitoj. Mos harro, borxhet Amerikane Kines jane ne dollarin Amerikan te cilin e kontrollon Amerika e jo Kina. Me fjale te tjere, Amerikanet mund te printojne dollar sa te duan dhe te paguajn Kinen ne nje muaj per borxhin qe kane (800 biljon dollar ose tash ndoshta me shume). Poashtu, ndoshta tingellon si teori konspiracioni, por anglosaksonet dhe cifutet amerikan drejtojne ekonomine perendimore, dhe nuk besoj se Kinezet mund ti mashtrojne aq lehte. Ndoshta jam gabim, por historia flet keshtu.....

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    Numeroj peshqit Maska e peshkaqeni33
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    japonia ka 130 milione e ti thua qe ka 2 milione emigrante... lol...

    kinezet kane nje mentalitet qe ne shqiptaret nuk e konceptojme.
    ata emigrojne edhe ne vende te varfera. ka kinez neper senegal e vende te tjera te afrikes.
    ka kineze sa te duash edhe ne republike dominikane e vende te tjera ameikano latine.
    Bravo ja nje aspekt qe shume drejte te ka rene ne sy dhe qe duhet nenvizuar. Nuk besoj qe keto emigrime te jen thjesht te rastit. Edhe keto jane nje pjese e politikes Kineze per ekspansion. Kina kerkon te zgjeroj fushen e influences ne te gjtha menyrat.
    Individet kinez te mbeshtetur edhe nga shteti i tyre jane bere tregtar dhe biznesmen te suksesshem ne te gjtha vendet ku kane shkuar.
    Politika kineze po tregon qe eshte nje politik e studiuar mire dhe qe ka nje strategji afat gjate te perkryer.
    Proletar te te gjitha vendeve bashkohuni

    Nisuni ju para, sa te therras Saliun

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    Numeroj peshqit Maska e peshkaqeni33
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    Cfar eshte per mos tu kuptur ketu. Kina prodhon produkte me licence perendimore, sepse eshte shume me profitabile per kompanite perendimore te paguajne puntorin $1 ne ore sesa $20 ne ore. Ne tregjet perendimore pothuaj se cdo gje eshte "Made in China" por te gjitha jane kompani perendimore. Mos harro 600 miljon njerez ne Kine jetojne me $1 ne dite. Te ardhurat per peson jane $4800 ne vit (ne USA $47000 ne vit). Se Kina eshte fuqi ne rritje s'e kam dilemen, por shume ekonomiste e suportojne mendimin se rritja dhe zgjerimi ekonomik i Kines i perngjan investimeve Japoneze ne Amerike ne vitet '80 kur blene pothuaj se cdo gje qe ishte per shitje. Japonia u dogj keq me kete, dhe Amerika fitoj. Mos harro, borxhet Amerikane Kines jane ne dollarin Amerikan te cilin e kontrollon Amerika e jo Kina. Me fjale te tjere, Amerikanet mund te printojne dollar sa te duan dhe te paguajn Kinen ne nje muaj per borxhin qe kane (800 biljon dollar ose tash ndoshta me shume). Poashtu, ndoshta tingellon si teori konspiracioni, por anglosaksonet dhe cifutet amerikan drejtojne ekonomine perendimore, dhe nuk besoj se Kinezet mund ti mashtrojne aq lehte. Ndoshta jam gabim, por historia flet keshtu.....
    Jo nuk je gabim. Llogjika jote eshte e perkryer. Nuk mund te hidhet poshte. Mbetet vetem te shohim nese mund te vertetohet.
    Proletar te te gjitha vendeve bashkohuni

    Nisuni ju para, sa te therras Saliun

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    Citim Postuar mė parė nga the admiral Lexo Postimin
    japonia ka 130 milione e ti thua qe ka 2 milione emigrante... lol...

    kinezet kane nje mentalitet qe ne shqiptaret nuk e konceptojme.
    ata emigrojne edhe ne vende te varfera. ka kinez neper senegal e vende te tjera te afrikes.
    ka kineze sa te duash edhe ne republike dominikane e vende te tjera ameikano latine.
    Pothuaj 2 % e popullsise jane emigrante. Nuk eshte pak...lol...

    Kinezet qe shkojne ne cdo vend te botes thjesht tregon varferine ne Kine dhe nivelin e jeteses. Njerezit levizin per nje jete me te mire, jo per me keq. Pra dhe ne Senegal e Republike Domenikane mund te jetojne me mire se ne Kine.

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    MR. BEAN - Laden Maska e the admiral
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    Kinezet qe shkojne ne cdo vend te botes thjesht tregon varferine ne Kine dhe nivelin e jeteses. Njerezit levizin per nje jete me te mire, jo per me keq. Pra dhe ne Senegal e Republike Domenikane mund te jetojne me mire se ne Kine.
    hahaha!!! pikepamje shume interesante. ti personifikon rastin tipik te atyre qe nuk e konceptojne emigrimin e kinezeve ne vende me te varfera se kina.

    ka kinez edhe ne vendet me te varfera te botes, por jo se keto vende kane nivel me te larte jetese. kinezet nivelin e jeteses e krijojne vete kudo te shkojne. nuk presin qe t'ua krijoje shteti.
    Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam

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    MR. BEAN - Laden Maska e the admiral
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    Mos harro, borxhet Amerikane Kines jane ne dollarin Amerikan te cilin e kontrollon Amerika e jo Kina. Me fjale te tjere, Amerikanet mund te printojne dollar sa te duan dhe te paguajn Kinen ne nje muaj per borxhin qe kane (800 biljon dollar ose tash ndoshta me shume).
    asnje njeri qe ka lexur te pakten dy rrjeshta te nje libri ekonomie nuk mund te thoje ate qe the ti. as edhe nje. hahahaa! shume pikpamje qesharake

    sipas llogjikes tende naive, asnje shtet nuk ka pse te kete borxhe publike, pasi secili shtet mund t'i prodhoje para kur te deshiroje. po pse shteten kane borxhe pra???
    hahahahahahahahahaah.
    pse nje shtet i varfer nuk prodhon para me shumice qe te ndertoje infrastrukture?
    Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam

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