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    WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT MOHAMMED (PEACE BE UPON HIM) THE PROPHET OF ISLAM
    A lecture by Ahmed Deedat


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    SAY: "DO YOU SEE ?
    WHETHER THIS MESSAGE BE FROM ALLAH (God Almighty),
    AND YET YOU REJECT IT,
    AND A WITNESS FROM AMONG THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BORE
    WITNESS OF ONE LIKE HIM......."

    (Holy Qur'an 46:10). (see note 1)
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    Mr.Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen,


    The subject of this evening's talk - "What the BIBLE says about MUHAMMED" - will no doubt come as a surprise to many of you because the speaker is a Muslim. How does it come about that a Muslim happens to be expounding prophecies from the Jewish and Christian Scriptures ?

    As a young man, about 30 years ago, I attended a series of religious lectures by a Chriatian theologian, a certain Rev. Hiten, at the "Theatre Royal", Durban in South Africa.
    Pope or Kissinger?


    This Reverend gentleman was expounding Biblical prophecies. He went on to prove that the Christian Bible foretold the rise of Soviet Russia, and the Last Days. At one stage he went to the extent of proving that his Holy Book did not leave even the Pope out of its predictions. He expatiated vigo rously in order to convince his audience that the "Beast 666" mentioned in the Book of Revelation the last book of the New Testament was the POPE, who was the Vicar of Christ on earth. It is not befitting for us Muslims to enter into this controversy between the Roman Catholics and the Protestants. By the way, the latest Christia exposition of the "Beast 666" of the Christian Bible is Dr.Henry Kissinger(2). Christian scholars are ingenious and indefatigable in their efforts to prove their case.

    Rev. Hiten's lectures led me to ask that if the Bible foretold so many things - not even excluding the "Pope" and "Israel" - then surely it must have something to say about the greatest benefactor of mankind(3) , the Holy Prophet Muhammed (may the peace of Allah be upon him).

    As a youngster I set out to search for an answer. I met priest after priest, attended lectures, and read everything that I could lay my hands relating to the fields of Bible prophecies. Tonight I am going to narrate to you one of these interviews with a dominee(4) of the Dutch Reformed Church.< P> Lucky Thirteen
    I was invited to the Transvaal(5) to deliver a talk on the occasion of Birthday celebration of the Holy Prophet Muhammed. Knowing that in that province of the Republic, the Afrikaans language is widely spoken, even by my own people, I felt that I ought to acquire a smattering of this language so a s to feel a little "at home" with the people. I opened the telephone directory and began phoning the Afrikaans-speaking Churches. I indicated my purpose to the priests that I was interested in having a dialogue with them, but they all refused my request with "Plausible" excuses. No.13 was my lucky number. The thirteenth call brought me pleasure and relief. A dominee Van Heerden agreed to meet me at his home on the Saturday afternoon that I was to leave for Transvaal.
    He received me on his verandah with a friendly welcome. He said if I did not mind, he would like his father-in-law from the Free State (a 70 year old man) to join us in the discussion. I did not mind. The three of us settled down in the dominee's library.

    Why nothing?


    I posed the question: "What does the Bible say about Muhummed?" Without hesitation he answered, "Nothing!" I asked: "Why nothing? According to your interpretation the Bible have so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia and about the Last Days and even about the Pope of the Roman Ca tholics?" He said, "Yes, but there was nothing about Muhummed!" I asked again, "Why nothing? Surely this man Muhummed who had been responsible for the bringing into being a world-wide community of millions of Believers who, on his authority, believe in:
    (1) the miraculous birth of Jesus,
    (2) that Jesus is the Messiah,(note 6)
    (3) that he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission.
    Surely this book (the Bible) must have something to say about this great Leader of men who spoke so well of Jesus and his mother Mary?"


    The old man from the Free State replied. "My son, I have been reading the Bible for the past 50 years, and if there was any mention of him, I would have known it."
    Not One by name!


    I enquired: "According to you, are there not hundreds of prophecies regarding the coming of Jesus in the Old Testament." The dominee interjected: "Not hundreds, but thousands!" I said, "I am not going to dispute the 'thousand and one' prophecies in the Old Testament regarding the coming of Jesu s Christ, because the whole Muslim-world has already accepted him without the testimony of any Biblical prophecy. We Muslims have accepted the de facto Jesus on the authority of Muhummed alone, and there are in the world today no less than 900,000,000 followers of Muhummed who love, respect and rev ere Jesus Christ as a great Messenger of God without having the Christians to convince them by means of their Biblical dialectics. Out of the 'thousands' of prophecies referred to, can you please give me just one single prophecy where Jesus is mentioned by name? The term 'Messiah', translated as 'C hrist', is not a name but a title. Is there a single Prophecy where it says that the name of the Messiah will be JESUS, and that his mother's name will be MARY, that his supposed father will be JOSEPH THE CARPENTER; that he will be born in the reign of HEROD THE KING, etc. etc.? No! There are no su ch details! Then how can you conclude that those 'thousand' Prophecies refer to Jesus (Peace be upon him)?"
    What is Prophecy?


    The dominee replies: "You see, prophecies are word-pictures of something that is going to happen in the future. When that thing actually comes to pass, we see vividly in these prophecies the fulfilment of what had been predicted in the past." I said: "What you actually do is that you deduce, yo u reason, you put two and two together." He said: "Yes." I said: "If this is what you have to do with a 'thousand' prophecies to justify your claim with regards to the genuineness of Jesus, why should we not adopt the very same system for Muhummed?" The dominee agreed that it was a fair proposition , a reasonable way of dealing with the problem.
    I asked him to open up Deuteronomy, chapter 18, verse 18, which he did. I read from memory the verse in Afrikaans, because this was my purpose in having a little practice with the language of the ruling race in South Africa. (8)

    'N PROFEET SAL EK VIR HULLE VERWEK UIT DIE MIDDE VAN HULLE BROERS, SOOS JY IS, EN EK SAL MY WOORDE IN SY MOND LE, EN HY SY SAL AAN HULLE SE ALLE WAT EK HOM BEVEEL. Deut.18: 18.

    The English translation reads as follows:-

    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
    like unto thee,
    and I will put my words in his mouth;
    and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18.

    Prophet Like Moses
    Having recited the verse in Afrikaans, I apologised for my uncertain pronunciation, The dominee assured me that I was doing fine. I enquired: "To whom does this prophecy refer?" Without the slightest hesitation he answered: "JESUS!" I asked: "Why Jesus?... his name is not mentioned here." The domin ee replied: "Since prophecies are word-pictures of something that is going to happen in the future, we find that the wordings of this verse adequately describe him. You see the most important words of this prophecy are 'SOOS JY IS' (like unto thee), - LIKE YOU - like Moses, and Jesus is like Moses. " I questioned: "In which way is Jesus like Moses?" The answer was: "In the first place Moses was a JEW and Jesus was also a JEW; secondly, Moses was a PROPHET and Jesus was also a PROPHET - therefore Jesus is like Moses and that is exactly what God had foretold Moses - "SOOS JY IS". "Can you think of any other similarities between Moses and Jesus?" I asked. The dominee said that he could not think of any. I replied: "If these are the only two criteria for discovering a candidate for this prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18, then in that case the criteria could fit any one of the following Biblica l personages after Moses:- Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist etc., because they were also ALL Jews as well as Prophets. Why should we not apply this prophency to any one of these prophets, and why only to Jesus? Why should we make fish of one and fowl of anoth er?" The dominee had no reply. I continued: "You see, my conclusions are that Jesus is most unlike Moses, and if I am wrong I would like you to correct me."

    Three Unlikes
    So staying, I reasoned with him: "In the FIRST place Jesus is not like Moses, because, according to you - 'JESUS IS A GOD', but Moses is not God. Is this true?" He said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses! SECONDLY, according to you - 'JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD', but Mose s did not have to die for the sins of the world. Is this true?" He again said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses! THIRDLY, according to you - 'JESUS WENT TO HELL FOR THREE DAYS', but Moses did not have to go there. Is this true?" He answered meekly: "Y-e-s." I concluded: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!" "But dominee," I continued: "these are not hard facts, solid facts, they are mere matters of belief over which the little ones can stumble and fall. Let us discuss something very simple, very easy that if your little ones are called in to hear the discussion, would have no difficulty in following it, shall we?" The dominee was quiet happy at the suggestion.

    Father and Mother
    (1) "Moses had a father and a mother. Muhummed also had a father and a mother. But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father. Is this true?" He said: "Yes." I said: "DAAROM IS JESUS NIE SOOS MOSES NIE, MAAR MUHUMMED IS SOOS MOSES!" Meaning: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is lik e Moses!" (By now the reader will realise that I was using the Afrikaans language only for practice purposes. I shall discontinue its use in this narration).

    Miraculous Birth
    (2) "Moses and Muhummed were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman; but Jesus was created by a special miracle. You will recall that we are told in the Gospel of St.Matthew 1:18".....BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER,(Joseph the Carpenter and Mary) SHE WAS FOUND WITH CHILD BY THE HOLY GHOST.' And St.Luke tells us that when the good news of the birth of a holy son was announded to her, Mary reasoned:'.......HOW SHALL THIS BE, SEEING I KNOW NOT A MAN? AND THE ANGEL ANSWERED AND SAID UNTO HER, THE HOLY GHOST SHALL COME UPON THEE, AND THE POWER OF THE HIGHEST SHALL OVERSHADOW THEE:......'(Luke 1:35). The Holy Qur'an confirms the miraculous birth of Jesus, in nobler and sublimer terms. In answer to her logical question:

    " O MY LORD! HOW SHALL I HAVE A SON WHEN NO MAN HATH TOUCHED ME? "
    The angel says in reply:
    "EVEN SO:
    ALLAH CREATETH WHAT HE WILLETH:
    WHEN HE HATH DECREED A PLAN,
    HE BUT SAITH TO IT "BE,"
    AND IT IS " (9) (HOLY QUR'AN, 3:47).


    It is not necessary for God to plant a seed in man or animal. He merely wills it and it comes into being. This is the Muslim conception of the of birth of Jesus.

    (When I compared the Qur'an and the Biblical versions of the birth of Jesus to the head of the Bible Society in our largest City, and when I enquired: "Which version would you prefer to give your daughter, the QUR'ANIC version or the BIBLICAL version?" The man bowed his head and answered: "The Qur'anic.") In short, I said to the dominee: "Is it true that Jesus was born miraculously as against the natural birth of Moses and Muhummed?"He replied proudly:"Yes!" I said:"Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses. And God says to Moses in the Book of Deuteronomy 18:18 "LIKE UNTO THEE" (Like You, Like Moses) and Muhummed is like Moses."
    Marriage Ties
    (3) "Moses and Muhummed married and begat children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life. Is this true?" The dominee said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses."

    Jesus Rejected by his People
    (3) "Moses and Muhummed were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime. No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, they acknowledged that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them. The Arabs too made Muhummed's life imposs ible. He suffered very badly at their hands. After 13 years of preaching in Mecca, he had to emigrate from the city of his birth. But before his demise, the Arab nation as a whole accepted him as the Messenger of Allah. But according to the Bible: 'He (Jesus) CAME UNTO HIS OWN, BUT HIS OWN RECEIVED HIM NOT.' (John 1:11). And even today, ofter two thousand years, his people- the Jews, as a whole, have rejeted him. Is this true?" The dominee said: "Yes." I said: "THEREFORE JESUS IS NOT LIKE MOSES, BUT MUHUMMED IS LIKE MOSES."

    "Other-Wordly" Kingdom
    (5) "Moses and Muhummed were prophets as well as kings. A prophet means a man who receives Divine Revelation for the Guidance of Man and this Guidance he conveys to God's creatures as received without any addition or deletion. A king is a person who has the power of life and death over his people. It is immaterial whether the person wears a crown or not, or whether he was ever addressed as king or monarch: if the man has the prerogative of inflicting capital punishment - HE IS A KING. Moses possessed such a power. Do you remember the Israelite who was found picking up firewood on Sabbath Day , and Moses had him stoned to death? (Numbers- 15:13). There are other crimes also mentioned in the Bible for which capital punishment was inflicted on the Jews at the behest of Moses. Muhummed too, had the power of life and death over his people. There are instances in the Bible of persons who wer e given gift of prophecy only, but they were not in a position to implement their directives. Some of these holy men of God who were helpless in the face of stubborn rejection of their mesage, were the prophets lot, Jonah, Daniel, Ezra, and John the Baptist. They could only deliver the message, but could not enforce the Law. The Holy Prophet Jesus (Peace b.u.h) also belonged to this category. The Christian Gospel clearly confirms this: when Jesus was dragged before the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, Charged for sedition, Jesus made a convincing point in his defence to refute the false charg e: JESUS ANSWERED, "MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD': IF MY KINGDOM WERE OF THIS WORLD, THEN WOULD MY SERVANTS FIGHT, THAT I SHOULD NOT BE DELIVERED TO THE JEWS; BUT NOW IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM HENCE"(John 18:36) This convinced Pilate (A Pagan) that though Jesus might not be in full possessio n of his mental faculty, he did not strike him as being a danger to his rule. Jesus claimed a spiritual Kingdom only; in other words he only claimed to be a Prophet. Is this true?" The dominee answered:"Yes." I said:"Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

    No New Laws
    (6) "Moses and Muhummed brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Moses not only gave the Ten Commandments to the Israelites, but a very comprehensive ceremonial law for the guidance of his people. Muhummed comes to a people steeped in barbarism and ignorance. They married their step-m others; they buried their daughters alive; drunkenness, adultery, idolatry, and gambling were the order of the day. Gibbon describe the Arabs before Islam in his "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire", THE HUMAN BRUTE, ALMOST WITHOUT SENSE, IS POORLY DISTINGUISHED FROM THE REST OF THE ANIMAL CREATI ON.' There was hardly anything to distinguish between the "man" and the "animal" of the time; they were animals in human form.

    "From this abject barbarism, Muhummed elevated them, in the words of Thomas Carlysle, 'into torch-bearers of light and learning.' 'TO THE ARAB NATION IT WAS AS A BIRTH FROM DARKNESS INTO LIGHT. ARABIA FIRST BECAME ALIVE BY MEANS OF IT. A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE, ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD. SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT. WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARDS ARABIA WAS AT GRANADA ON ONE HAND AND AT DELHI ON THE OTHER. GLANCING IN VALOUR AND SPLENDOUR, AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES OVER A GREA SECTION OF THE WORLD. ...' The fact is that Muhummed gave his people a Law and Order they never had before.

    "As regards Jesus, when the Jews felt suspicious of him that he might be an imposter with designs to pervert their teachings, Jesus took pains to assure them that he had not come with a new religion - no new laws and no new regulations. I quote his own words: 'THINK NOT THAT IAM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: IAM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFIL. FOR VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.'(Mathew 5:17-18). In other words he had not come with any new laws or regulation he came only to fulfil the old law. This what he gave the Jews to understand- unless he was speaking with the tongue in his cheek trying to bluff the Jews into accepting him as a man of God and by subterfuge trying to ram a new religion down their throats. No! This Messenger of God would never resort to such fo ul means to subvert the Religion of God. He himself fulfilled the laws. He observed the commandments of Moses, and he respected the Sabbath. At no time did a single Jew point a finger at him to say, 'why don't you fast' or 'why don't you wash your hands before you break bread',which charges they al wasy levied against his disciples, but never against Jesus. This is because as a good Jew he honoured the laws of the prophets who preceded him. In short, he had created no new religion and had brought no new law like Moses and Muhummed. Is this true?" I asked the dominee, and he answered: "Yes." I said:"Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

    How they Departed
    (7) "Both Moses and Muhummed died natural deaths, but according to Christianity, Jesus was violently killed on the cross.(10) Is this true?" The dominee said: "Yes." I averred: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

    Heavenly Abode
    (8) "Moses and Muhummed both lie buried in earth, but according to you, Jesus in heaven. Is this true?" The dominee agreed. I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

    Ishmael The First Born
    Since the dominee was helplessly agreeing with every point, I said, "Dominee, so far what I have done is to prove only one point out of the whole prophecy- that is proving the phrase 'LIKE UNTO THEE' - 'Like You' 'Like Moses'. The Prophecy is much more than this single phrase which reads as follows : "I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN LIKE UNTO THEE......." The emphasis is on the words- "From among their brethren." Moses and his people, the Jews, are here addressed as a racial entity, and as such their 'brethren' would undoubtedly be the arabs. You see, the Holy Bible s peaks of Abraham as the "Friend of God". Abraham had two wives - Sarah and Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son - HIS FIRST-BORN- '......And Abraham(11) called HIS SON'S name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.' (Genesis 16:15). 'And Abraham took Ishmael HIS SON......" (Genesis 17:23). 'And Ishmael HIS SON was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.'(Genesis 17:25). Up to the age of THIRTEEN Ishmael was the ONLY son and sed of Abraham, when the covenant was ratified between God and Abraham. God grants Abraham another son through Sarah, named Isaac, wh o was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael.

    Arabs and Jews
    If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israeli tes beause he was a descendant of Ishamel the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among the mselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!

    Words in the Mouth
    "The prophecy proceeds further:'.......AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH.......' What does it mean when it is said 'I will put my words in your mouth'? You see, when I asked you (the dominee) to open Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18, at the beginning, and if I had asked you to read, and if you had read: would I be putting my words into your mouth?" The dominee answered: "No." "But," I continued: "If I were to teach you a language like Arabic about which you have no knowledge, and if I asked you to read or repeat after me what I utter i.e.:

    "SAY: HE IS ALLAH THE ONE AND ONLY;
    ALLAH, THE ETERNAL ABSOLUTE;
    HE BEGETTETH NOT, NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN:
    AND THERE IS NONE LIKE UNTO HIM.
    (Holy Qur'an 112:1-4)( I read them in Arabic )

    Would I not be putting these unheard words of a foreign tongue which you utter, into your mouth?" The dominee agreed that it was indeed so. In an identical manner, I said, the words of the Holy Qur'an, the Revelation vouchsafed by the Almighty God to Muhummed, were revealed.

    History tells us that Muhummed was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue:'IQRA' which means READ! or PROCLAIM! or RECITE! Muhummed w as terrified and in his bewilderment replied that he was not NOT LEARNED! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues.

    Now Muhummed, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:

    "READ! IN THE NAME OF THE LORD AND CHERISHER, WHO CREATED-
    CREATED MAN, FROM A (MERE) CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD:

    READ! AND THY LORD IS MOST BOUNTIFUL,-
    HE WHO TAUGHT (THE USE OF) THE PEN,

    TAUGHT MAN THAT WHICH HE KNEW NOT".


    (Holy Qur'an 96:1-5)
    These are the first five verses which were revealed to Muhummed which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur'an.

    The Faithful Witness
    Immediately the angel had departed, Muhummed rushed to his home. Terrified and sweating all over he asked his beloved wife Khadija to 'cover him up!' He lay down, and she watched by him. When he had regained his composure, he explained to her what he had seen and heard. She assured him of her faith in him and that Allah would not allow any terrible thing to happen to him. Are these the confessions of an imposter? Would imposters confess that when an angel of the Lord confronts them with a Message from on High, they get fear-stricken, terrified, and sweating all over, run home to their wives? Any critic can see that his reactions and confessions are that of an honest, sincere man, the man of Truth- 'AL-AMIN' - THE Honest, the Upright, the Truthful. During the next twenty-three years of his prophetic life, words were 'Put into his mouth', and he uttered them. They made an indeliable imp ression on his heart and mind: and as the volume of the Sacred Scripture (Holy Qur'an) grew, they were recorded on palm-leaf libre, on skins and on the shoulder-blades of animals; and in the hearts of his devoted disciples. Before his demise these words were arranged according to his instructions i n the order in which we find them to-day in the Holy Qurann.

    The words (revelation) were actually put into his mouth, exactly as foretold in the prophecy under discusiion: 'AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.'(Deut. 18:18).

    Un-lettered Prophet
    Muhummed's experience in the cave of Hira, later to be known as Jabal-un Noor - The Mountain of Light, and his response to that first Revelation is the exact fulfilment of another Biblical Prophecy. In the Book of Isaish. Chapter 29, verse 12, we read: "AND THE BOOK" (al-Kitaab,al-Quran the 'Readin g', the 'Recitation') "IS DELIVERED TO HIM THAT IS NOT LEARNED," (Isaiah 29:12) "THE UNLETTERED PROPHET " (Holy Qur'an 7:158) and the biblical verse continues : "SAYING, READ THIS, I PRAY THEE:" (the words "I pray thee", are not in the Hebrew manuscripts; compare with the Roman Cathol ics' "Douay Version and also with the "Revised Standard Versions") "AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT LEARNED." ("I am not learned." is the exact translation of the Arabic words which Muhummed uttered twice to the Holy Ghose - the Archangel Gabriel, when he was commanded : "READ!").

    Let me quote the verse in full without a break as found in the "King James Version," or the "Authorised version" as it is more popularly know "AND THE BOOK IS DELIVERED TO HIM THAT IS NOT LEARNED, SAYING, READ THIS I PRAY THEE: AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT LEARNED." (Isaiah 29:12).

    Important note :
    It may be noted that there were no Arabic Bibles(12) in existence in the 6th Century of the Christian Era when Muhummed lived and preachedl Besides, he was absolutely unlettered and unlearned. No human had ever taught him a word. His teacher was his Creator:

    "HE DOES NOT SPEAK (AUGHT), OF (HIS OWN) DESIRE:
    IT IS NO LESS THAN INSPIRATION SENT DOWN TO HIM:
    HE WAS TAUGHT BY ONE MIGHTY IN POWER,"


    (Holy Qur'an 53:3-5).
    Without any human learning, 'he put to shame the wisdom of the learned'.

    Grave Warning
    "See!" I told the dominee, "how the prophecies fit Muhummed like a glove. We do not have to stretch prophecies to justify their fulfilment in Muhummed."

    The dominee replied, "All your expositions sound very well, but they are of no real consequence, because we Christians have Jesus Christ the "incarnate" God, who has redeemed us from the Bondage of Sin!"

    I asked, "Not important?" God didn't think so! He went to a great deal of trouble to have His warnings recorded. God knew that there would be people like you who will flippantly, light-heartedly discount his words, so he followed up Deuteronomy 18:18 with a dire warning: "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS, " (it is going to happen) "THAT WHOSOEVER WILL NOT HEARKEN UNTO MY WORDS WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME, I WILL REQUIRE IT OF HIM. (in the Catholic Bible the ending words are - "I will be the revenger", I will take vengeance from him - I will take revenge!) "Does not this terrify you? God Almighty is threathening revenge! We shake in our pants if some hoodlum threathens us, yet you have no fear of God's warning?"

    "Miracle of Miracles! in the verse 19 of Deuteronomy chapter 18, we have a further fulfilment of the prophecy in Muhummed! Note the words-'.....MY WORDS WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME," In whose name is Muhummed speaking?" I opened Yusuf Ali's translation of the Holy Qur'an, at chapter 114- 'Sura Nas', or Mankind - the last chapter, and showed him the formula at the head of the charpter: and the meaning: "IN THE NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL." And the heading of chapter 113: and the meaning: "IN THE NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL". And every chapter downwards 112 , 111, 110.......was the same formula and the same meaning on every page, because the end SURAS (chapters) are short and take about a page each.

    "And what did the prophecy demand?' ......WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME and in whose name does Muhummed speak?'IN THE NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS MOST MERCIFUL.' The Prophecy is being fulfilled in Muhummed to the letter "Every chapter of the Holy Qur'an except the 9th begin with the formula: IN TH E NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL.' The Muslim begins his every lawful act with the Holy formula. But the Christian begins: "In the name of the Father, son and holy ghost.'"(13)

    Concerning Deuteronomy chapter eighteen, I have given you more than 15 reasons as to how this prophecy refers to Muhummed and NOT to Jesus.

    Baptist Contradicts Jesus
    In New Testament times, we find that the Jews were still expecting the fulfilment of the prophecy of 'ONE LIKE MOSES', refer John 1:19-25. When Jesus claimed to be the Messiah of the Jews,the Jews began to enquire as to where was Elias? The Jews had a parallel prophecy that before the coming of the Messiah, Elias must come first in his second coming. Jesus confirms this Jewish belief:

    ".......ELIAS TRULY SHALL FIRST COME, AND RESTORE ALL THINGS. BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT ELIAS IS COME ALREADY, AND THEY KNEW HIM NOT,...THEN THE DISCIPLES UNDERSTOOD THAT HE SPAKE UNTO THEM OF JOHN THE BAPTIST."(Matthew 17:11-13). According to the New Testament the Jews were not the ones to s wallow the words of any would-be Messiah. In their investigations they underwent intense difficulties in order to find their true Messiah. And this the Gospel of John confirms: "AND THIS IS THE RECORD OF JOHN,"(the Baptist) "WHEN THE JEWS SENT PRIESTS AND LEVITES FROM JERUSALEM TO ASK HIM, WHO ART THOU? AND HE CONFESSED AND DENIED NOT; BUT CONFESSED, I AM NOT THE CHRIST." (This was only natural because there can't be two Messiahs (14) at the same time. If Jesus was the Christ then John couldn't be the Christ!) "AND THEY ASKED HIM, WHAT THEN? ART THOU ELIAS? AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT." (Here Joh n the Baptist contradicts Jesus! Jesus says that John is "Elias" and John denies that he is what Jesus ascribes him to be. One of the TWO (Jesus or John), God forbid!, is difinitely not speaking the TRUTH! On the testimony of Jesus himself, John the Baptist was the greatest of the Israelite prophet s:"VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, AMOUNG THEM THAT ARE BORN OF WOMEN THERE HAS NOT RISENA GREATER THAN JOHN THE BAPTIST:... (Matthew 11:11).

    We Muslims know John the Baptist as Hazrut YAHYAA Alai-his-salaam (peace be upon him). We revere him as a true prophet of Allah. The Holy Prophet Jesus known to us as Hazrut ISAA Alai-his-salaam (peace be upon him), is also esteemed as one of the mightiest messenger of the Almighty. How can we Musl ims impute lies to either of them? We leave this problem between Jesus and John for the Christians to solve, for their "sacred scriptures abound in discrepancies which they have been glossing over as the "dark sayings of Jesus"(15). We Muslims are really interested in the last questions posed to Jo hn the Baptist by the Jewish elite- "ART THOU THAT PROPHET? AND HE ANSWERED, NO."(John 1:21)

    Three Questions!
    Please note that three different and distinct questions were posed to John the Baptist and to which he gave three emphatic "NO'S" as answers. To recapitulate:-
    1) ART THOU THE CHRIST?
    2) ART THOU ELIAS?
    3) ART THOU THAT PROPHET?

    But the learned men of Christendom somehow only see two questions implied here. To make doubly clear that the Jews definitely had T-H-R-E-E separate prophecies in their minds when they were interogating John the Baptist, let us read the remonstrance of the Jews in the verses following:

    "AND THEY ASKED HIM, AND SAID UNTO HIM, WHEY BAPTIZEST THOU THEN, IF THOU BE
    a) NOT THAT CHRIST,
    b) NOR ELIAS,
    c) NEITHER THAT PROPHET?"


    (John 1:25)
    The Jews were waiting for the fulfilment of THREE distinct prophecies: One, the coming of CHRIST. Two the coming of ELIAS, and Three, the coming of THAT PROPHET.

    "That Prophet"
    If we look up any Bible which has a concordance or cross-references, the we will find in the marginal note where the words "the Prophet", or "that Prophet" occur in John 1:25, that these words refer to the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18. And that 'that prophet' - 'the prophet like Moses' - "L IKE UNTO THEE", we have proved through overwhelming evidence that he was MUHUMMED and not Jesus!

    We Muslims are not denying that Jesus was the "Messiah", which word is translated as "Christ".(16) We are not contesting the "thousand and one prophecies" which the Christians claim abound in the Old Testament foretelling the coming of the Messiah. What we say is that Deuteronomy 18:18 does NOT ref er to Jesus Christ but it is an explicit prophecy about the Holy Prophet MUHUMMED!"

    The dominee, very politely parted with me by saying that it was a very interesting discussion and he would like me very much to come one day and address his congregation on the subject. A decade and half has passed since then but I am still awaiting that privilege.

    I believe the dominee was sincere when he made the offer, but prejudices die hard and who would like to loose his sheep?

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    une jam
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    eshte me te veretete nje shkrim shume i bukur...i arsyeshem, i qarte ,ka fakte dhe i thjeshte.

    pres mendimet tuaja sidomos te krishtereve dhe vecanerisht te Shen Albanit se na e mban veten dijetar megjitahte kur zihet mat ne forum iken e fshihet. dil nga strofkulla Shen Alban

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    .:.ClaSSy.:. Maska e GoDDeSS
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    u think i read all of that? lol..shume e gjate....................
    And all I can taste is this moment
    And all I can breathe is your life

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    Perjashtuar
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    ca allahu thu ti ore,ca bible thu ti ore...
    po pse o,**** jam une ta lexoj gjithe ate gjo te gjate...
    osht me lek interneti or bab...
    mos ma merr per ofendim,ok? :-)
    hajt ja kalofsh mire

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    une jam
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    oltis
    se kam vene per njerez si puna jote.
    ka persona qe jane te interesuar ne ate teme.
    s`jam te forum te diskutoj me persona qe flasin ne ate menyre si ju.

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    i/e regjistruar
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    o ruud me mire te na kishe ftuar ne shpija jote pinim nga nje birre dhe e lexonim bashke te gjithe si forum ... goddess you go girl ...shendet ruud
    Mos shiko punen, po shiko gunen.

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    i/e regjistruar
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    ruud vallai e respektoj postmin tat.....gjith ajo pun kerkim....per artikullin qe ke von...po vallai une me zi lexoj kto librat e shkolles qe i kom me detyrim e jo ate....lol i'm a bit laizy hihihi nejse hallall kush ka durim me e lexu
    What da hell?

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    Άγιος Ειρηναίος της Λυών Maska e Seminarist
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    Arsyet perse Muhamedi nuk e permbush profecine:


    "Keshtu Zoti do ti fliste Moisiut faqe me faqe, sikurse dikush flet me nje mik. Atehere Moisiu do te kthehej ne kamp, por ndihmesi i tij i ri, Joshua, i bir i Nun-it, nuk largohej nga Tenta" (Eksodi 33:11)

    "Qe atehere, nuk eshte ngrejtur profet ne Isralein, sikurse Moisiu, te cilit Zoti e njihte balleperballe, qe kreu gjithe ato shenja mrekullish edhe cudirash, qe Zoti e dergoi qe ti beje ne Egjipt - ndaj Faraonit edhe te gjithe obortareve te tij edhe te gjithe vendit te tij. Pasi askush kurre nuk e ka treguar kete fuqi te madhe apo kryer veprat e medha qe Moisiu beri para syve te Israleit" (Deut 34: 10-12)

    Keshtu qe profeti i pritur duhej te kryente mrekulli te ngjashme me ato te Moisiut, te njihte Zotin faqe me faqe, dmth te kish kontakt te drejtperdrejte me Zotin. Ne fakt, eshte interesante se edhe Kurani pohon se Moisiu foli drejtperdrejt me Zotin. (shih Sura 4:163-164)


    Keto gjera, Muhamedi si kreu dot, sepse dihet se Muhamedi se pa ndonje here Zotin, edhe as qe kreu mrekulli, sikurse e deshmojne edhe keto vargje Kuranore:

    "thone ata qe nuk kane njohuri: "Perse nuk na flet Allahu? Ose, perse nuk na vjen ndonje shenje?" Keshtu njerezit para tyre thane gjera te se njejtes rendesi. Zemrat e tyre jane te ngjashme. Ne, ne fakt, ua kemi bere te qarta Shenjat ndaj kujtdo qe mbahet fort pas besimit (ne zemrat e tyre). - Sura 2:118

    po ashtu flasin keto Sura:

    Sura 28:48; Sura 6:109, edhe 6:37 etj


    Hadithet tohojne:

    Tregon Masruku: Une i thashe Aishes: "Oj Nene! A e ka pare ndonje here Muhamedi Zotin e tij?" Aisha tha: "Ajo qe po thua mi ngre qimet e kokes perpjete! Ta dish, nqs ndokush thote nje nga keto tre gjera, [b]ai eshte mashtrues: Kushdo qe te thote se Muhamedi e pa Zotin e tij, eshte genjeshtar." atehere Aisha recitoi kete varg: 'Asnje Vizion nuk mund ta ze Ate, edhe zenia e tij eshte mbi cdo vizion. Ai eshte me i sjellshmi edhe gjithe njohesi i te gjithave.' (Sura 6:103) 'Nuk i takon njeriut qe ti flase Zoti, pervecse ne rast frymezimi apo pas mbuleses......"

    Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volumi 9, libri 93, numri 477

    - 2) Se dyti, termi "vellezer", kur lexohet ne kontekst, mund tu referohet vetem 12 fisve te Israleit, sic e tregon edhe vargu hapes i Deutoronomit 18: 1-2

    "Prifterinjte Levitike, dmth i gjithe fisi i Levit, nuk do te kene pjese apo trashegimi me Israelin....Ata nuk do te kene trashegimi midis vellezerve te tyre"

    Ne vend tjeter, ne kapitullin 17:14-15, Israeliteve u thuhet qe te vene ne krye te tyre si mbret nje prej "vellezerve" te tyre, edhe asnje here te huaj. Faktikisht Israeli, ne asnje moment te historise se tyre, nuk kane vene ndonje "vella" Ismailit ne krye si mbret, por vetem Israelite, dmth Sauli, Davidi. Kjo pra tregon se ne kete kontekst, vellezer u referohet jo jashte 12 fisve te Israelit.

    Personi i vetem qe i permbush keto kerkesa eshte Jesu Krishti, per keto arsye:

    1) Krishti pohon se Moisiu shkroi per te. (Joani 5:46)

    2) Apostojt e citojne kete profeci si te permbushur prej Krishtit. (Joani 1:45; Veprat 3:17-24)

    3) Ne lindjet e te dyve, eshte rrezikuar jeta si foshnje. (Eksodi 1:15-16,22; Mateu 2:13)

    4) Te dy shpetuan me nderhyrje hyjnore. (Eksodi 2:2-10; Mateu 2:13)

    5) Krishti, si Bir i Perendise, e njihte Zotin At balle per balle, sikurse edhe Moisiu. (Nateu 11:27; Joani 1:1-3,14,18; Joani 14:9 etj)

    6) Zoti e pergatiti Moisiun per misionin e tij me udhetimin e tij neper shkretetire per 40 vite, Krishtin per 40 dite.

    7) Krishti, sikurse Moisiu shkelqeu me drite hyjnore ne Malin Tabor.

    8) Krishti kreu mrekulli me te medha se Moisiu. Si shembell eshte ngritja prej se vdekurish. (Joani 11:25-26, 43-44)

    9) Krishti tha gjithato qe i kish thene Ati.

    10) Krishti, sikur Moisiu, ndermjeton per njerezit. (Eksod 24:4-8; Mark 14:24)

    11) Krishti, sikurse Moisiu, eshte ndermjetesi i Beslidhjes se re te Zotit.

    12) Krishti edhe Moisiu liruan njerezit e tyre prej roberise, njeri te skllaverise, tjetri te skllaverise se mekatit.

    13) Krishti, sikurse Moisiu, eshte Israelit nga Fisi i Judes.

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    une jam
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    i dashur klod
    kam diskutuar dhe here te tjera me juve dhe me jeni dukur shume "short-sighted"
    megjithate do te ta komentoj sikur po ja komentoj nje vogelushi.
    ne fund te fundit i takon lexuesve te gjykojne se kush ka drejte.

    ky eshte pasazhi qe ne po diskutojme me poshte i marre nga new interantional version.
    autori me siper ka perdorur nje verjon tjeter dhe anglishtja po te vesh re eshte anglishte me e vjeter.

    Quote. Deuteremony 18:15

    THE UNLETTERED PROPHET (shiko titullin i dashur klod, pra propheti do ishte i paditur, i palexuar dhe te dy e dime mire qe ky njeri ishte muhamedi (paqja qofte mbi te)

    15. the lord your god will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. you must listen to him

    17 the lord said to me (to moses) "what they say is good. 18 i will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; i will put my words in his mouth and he will tell them everything i command him 19 if anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, i myself will call him to account.

    1.i dashur klod. first and foremost pra ky njeri do jete nje prophet dhe nje prophet i palexuar. pra ju besoni qe jezusi eshte zot (ose pjese e zotit dhe jo prophet)

    2. ai do jete "mong your brothers" pra do jete nga vellezerit e cifuteve dhe sic vete thua me siper qe jezusi dhe moisiu ishin nga e njejta familje atehere smund te jete jezusi. besoj se e din qe abrahami kishte dy femije jakobin dhe ismailin. cifutet jane pasardhesit e jakobit ndersa arabet jane pasardhesit e ismailit. pra ky prophet jo vetme qe sdo ishte cifut por eshte ARAB.

    3. "i will put my words in his mouth"......"and he shall speak in my name". i dashur klod sic e shpjegon dhe autori me siper ne qofte se une do te thoja te lexoje kuranin ne arabisht( ne nje ghuhe qe ju se njihni) would i be putting you my words in your mouth??
    pra ne malin hira zoti po i vinte fjalet ne gojen e muhametit kur i tha lexo! dhe sic e dini cdo sure e kuranit(parjashtuar njeren) fillon me NE EMER TE ZOTIT TE MESHIRUESIT TE MESHIREBESIT
    pra muhameti po fliste ne emer te zotit .

    vazhdon

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    une jam
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    Postuar mė parė nga klod
    [B]Arsyet perse Muhamedi nuk e permbush profecine:


    "Keshtu Zoti do ti fliste Moisiut faqe me faqe, sikurse dikush flet me nje mik. Atehere Moisiu do te kthehej ne kamp, por ndihmesi i tij i ri, Joshua, i bir i Nun-it, nuk largohej nga Tenta" (Eksodi 33:11)

    "Qe atehere, nuk eshte ngrejtur profet ne Isralein, sikurse Moisiu, te cilit Zoti e njihte balleperballe, qe kreu gjithe ato shenja mrekullish edhe cudirash, qe Zoti e dergoi qe ti beje ne Egjipt - ndaj Faraonit edhe te gjithe obortareve te tij edhe te gjithe vendit te tij. Pasi askush kurre nuk e ka treguar kete fuqi te madhe apo kryer veprat e medha qe Moisiu beri para syve te Israleit" (Deut 34: 10-12)

    Keshtu qe profeti i pritur duhej te kryente mrekulli te ngjashme me ato te Moisiut, te njihte Zotin faqe me faqe, dmth te kish kontakt te drejtperdrejte me Zotin. Ne fakt, eshte interesante se edhe Kurani pohon se Moisiu foli drejtperdrejt me Zotin. (shih Sura 4:163-164)


    Keto gjera, Muhamedi si kreu dot, sepse dihet se Muhamedi se pa ndonje here Zotin, edhe as qe kreu mrekulli, sikurse e deshmojne edhe keto vargje Kuranore:

    "thone ata qe nuk kane njohuri: "Perse nuk na flet Allahu? Ose, perse nuk na vjen ndonje shenje?" Keshtu njerezit para tyre thane gjera te se njejtes rendesi. Zemrat e tyre jane te ngjashme. Ne, ne fakt, ua kemi bere te qarta Shenjat ndaj kujtdo qe mbahet fort pas besimit (ne zemrat e tyre). - Sura 2:118

    po ashtu flasin keto Sura:

    Sura 28:48; Sura 6:109, edhe 6:37 etj


    Hadithet tohojne:

    Tregon Masruku: Une i thashe Aishes: "Oj Nene! A e ka pare ndonje here Muhamedi Zotin e tij?" Aisha tha: "Ajo qe po thua mi ngre qimet e kokes perpjete! Ta dish, nqs ndokush thote nje nga keto tre gjera, ai eshte mashtrues: Kushdo qe te thote se Muhamedi e pa Zotin e tij, eshte genjeshtar." atehere Aisha recitoi kete varg: 'Asnje Vizion nuk mund ta ze Ate, edhe zenia e tij eshte mbi cdo vizion. Ai eshte me i sjellshmi edhe gjithe njohesi i te gjithave.' (Sura 6:103) 'Nuk i takon njeriut qe ti flase Zoti, pervecse ne rast frymezimi apo pas mbuleses......"

    Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volumi 9, libri 93, numri 477

    - 2) Se dyti, termi "vellezer", kur lexohet ne kontekst, mund tu referohet vetem 12 fisve te Israleit, sic e tregon edhe vargu hapes i Deutoronomit 18: 1-2

    "Prifterinjte Levitike, dmth i gjithe fisi i Levit, nuk do te kene pjese apo trashegimi me Israelin....Ata nuk do te kene trashegimi midis vellezerve te tyre"

    Ne vend tjeter, ne kapitullin 17:14-15, Israeliteve u thuhet qe te vene ne krye te tyre si mbret nje prej "vellezerve" te tyre, edhe asnje here te huaj. Faktikisht Israeli, ne asnje moment te historise se tyre, nuk kane vene ndonje "vella" Ismailit ne krye si mbret, por vetem Israelite, dmth Sauli, Davidi. Kjo pra tregon se ne kete kontekst, vellezer u referohet jo jashte 12 fisve te Israelit.

    Personi i vetem qe i permbush keto kerkesa eshte Jesu Krishti, per keto arsye:

    1) Krishti pohon se Moisiu shkroi per te. (Joani 5:46)

    2) Apostojt e citojne kete profeci si te permbushur prej Krishtit. (Joani 1:45; Veprat 3:17-24)

    3) Ne lindjet e te dyve, eshte rrezikuar jeta si foshnje. (Eksodi 1:15-16,22; Mateu 2:13)

    4) Te dy shpetuan me nderhyrje hyjnore. (Eksodi 2:2-10; Mateu 2:13)

    5) Krishti, si Bir i Perendise, e njihte Zotin At balle per balle, sikurse edhe Moisiu. (Nateu 11:27; Joani 1:1-3,14,18; Joani 14:9 etj)

    6) Zoti e pergatiti Moisiun per misionin e tij me udhetimin e tij neper shkretetire per 40 vite, Krishtin per 40 dite.

    7) Krishti, sikurse Moisiu shkelqeu me drite hyjnore ne Malin Tabor.

    8) Krishti kreu mrekulli me te medha se Moisiu. Si shembell eshte ngritja prej se vdekurish. (Joani 11:25-26, 43-44)

    9) Krishti tha gjithato qe i kish thene Ati.

    10) Krishti, sikur Moisiu, ndermjeton per njerezit. (Eksod 24:4-8; Mark 14:24)

    11) Krishti, sikurse Moisiu, eshte ndermjetesi i Beslidhjes se re te Zotit.

    12) Krishti edhe Moisiu liruan njerezit e tyre prej roberise, njeri te skllaverise, tjetri te skllaverise se mekatit.

    13) Krishti, sikurse Moisiu, eshte Israelit nga Fisi i Judes.

    "Keshtu Zoti do ti fliste Moisiut faqe me faqe, sikurse dikush flet me nje mik. Atehere Moisiu do te kthehej ne kamp, por ndihmesi i tij i ri, Joshua, i bir i Nun-it, nuk largohej nga Tenta" (Eksodi 33:11)

    i dahsur klod moisiu nuk e ka pare zotit por ka folur me te por sic e dini dhe ju moisiu i ka kerkuar ta shohe ndersa zoti i ka thene shiko kodren dhe kodra u be hij apo jo....
    dhe ne qofte se ti me pasazhin me siper po argumenton qe moisiu e ka para zotin atehere une te them qe the bible contradicts itself. PO KESHTU EDHE MUHAMEDI FOLI ME ZOTIN POR NUK E PA ATE SEPSE ISHTE I NDARE NGA NJE PERDE.
    PRA MOISIU QENKA SI MUHAMEDI
    (Deut 34: 10-12) ky pasazh nuk me verteton qe profeti qe do vinte do bente mrekulli si moisiu megjithate i dashur Klod Jezuesi nuk beri mrekulli te ngjashme me Mosiun.
    ne ate kohe kur erdhi moisiu ishte shume e perhapur magjija dhe moisiut prandaj ju dha shkopi dhe moisiu bente "magjira" qe asnje nga magjistaret e aterhershem si benin.
    ne kohen kur erdhi Jezusi ishte shume e perhapur mjekesia prandaj shumica e mrekullive te bera nga Jezusi ishin SHERIMI i NJEREZVE TE SEMURE DHE NGJALLJA NGA VDEKJA.
    PRA I DSHUR KLOD MOISIU DHE JEZUESI SPASKAN BERE MREKULLIRA TE NJEJTA.
    sa per muhamedin dhe ai beri mrekullira por ishin me te pakta ne numer. mrekullija e tij ishte fjala sic e thote dhe ne bibel "and he shall speak in my name" sepse ne ate kohe ishte shume e perhapur poezia ne gadishullin arabik dhe kjo ishte arsyeja e ardhjes se muhamedit me veti te vecanta ne te folur.

    postuar nga klod
    Se dyti, termi "vellezer", kur lexohet ne kontekst, mund tu referohet vetem 12 fisve te Israleit, sic e tregon edhe vargu hapes i Deutoronomit 18: end quote

    moisiu po u fliste te gjithe cifuteve dhe ishte nga e njejta familje me moisiun sic e thua dhe vete me siper. pra nga i njejte fis ne konceptimin tend . me fal po a nuk po kundershton veten?????

    i dashur klod me thua qe cifuteve u eshte kerkuar te vejne nje mbret nga vellezerit e tyre por ato se kane bere dicka te tille
    me lejon te te bej nje pyetje??? a provon kjo qe "vellezerit"per te cilet behet fjale jane fise israelite????
    sigurisht qe jo Klod sepse cifutet se paskan plotesuar kete kerkese apo jo???

    vazhdon

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