ja dhe Pema gjenologjike:
ja dhe Pema gjenologjike:
bamba!.
kete rruge ndiek edhe Elena Kocaqi ne dy librat e saj.......ajo gjen edhe prejardhjen e shume mbreterive te tjera te evropes.....sipas dijetarve evropian!
NE Fakt ka shume te verteta por ajo lufte ishte totalisht ilire dhe nuk kishte te bente me greket .greket vete jane nje kulture e kultivuar nga filozofet dhe te tjere e ardhur nga azia ? por qe shume fise e perqafuan ate per interesat e tyre ,.historikisht na ka interesuar te luftojme sepse kjo eshte menyra qe ne edhe sot e kesaj dite i zgjidhim punet . keshtu qe ajo lufte ish gati thjeshte duheshe nje pretekst .dhe ai u gjet si pretekst nje femer .edhe sot po njesoj .keshtu qe troja apo iliriada ishte nje lufte e pasur mes nje gjaku por qe te tjeret e shkruan.
greket dhe romaket kane shkruar historine tone ,duhet ti falenderojme per kete por tani kemi nje problem qe duhet ta vertetojme .dhe jo te huajve por vellazvne tane teshkolluar ne shkollat jashte e bbrenda qe kane ne dore fate e venit dhe qe nuk pranojne te fillojne shqperine e re nga historia .
e vertete bamba
Titus Livius or Livy [Chapters 11-20]
Preparations were made on both sides with the utmost vigour for a war
very like a civil one, in a manner between parents and children, both being of Trojan stock: for from Troy came Lavinium, from Lavinium, Alba, and the Romans were descended from the stock of the Alban kings.
Titus Livius or Livy [Chapters 22-25]
"Hear, O Jupiter; hear, O pater patratus of the Alban people
- Numitor, at the beginning of the fray, giving out that enemies had invaded the city and attacked the palace, after he had drawn off the Alban youth to the citadel to secure it with an armed garrison, when he saw the young men, after they had compassed the king's death, advancing toward him to offer congratulations, immediately summoned a meeting of the people, and recounted his brother's unnatural behaviour toward him, the extraction of his grandchildren, the manner of their birth, bringing up, and recognition, and went on to inform them of the king's death, and that he was responsible for it
- Indeed, the number of Alban and Latin inhabitants was too great for the city; the shepherds also were included among that population, and all these readily inspired hopes that Alba and Lavinium would be insignificant in comparison with that city, which was intended to be built. But desire of rule, the bane of their grandfather, interrupted these designs, and thence arose a shameful quarrel from a sufficiently amicable beginning.
- ." Thus Romulus obtained possession of supreme power for himself alone. The city, when built, was called after the name of its founder.[5] He first proceeded to fortify the Palatine Hill, on which he himself had been brought up. He offered sacrifices to Hercules, according to the Grecian rite, as they had been instituted by Evander; to the other gods, according to the Alban rite. There is a tradition that Hercules, having slain Geryon, drove off his oxen, which were of surpassing beauty.
- It so happened that some Roman and Alban peasants mutually plundered each other's lands. Gaius Cluilius at that time was in power at Alba. From both sides ambassadors were sent almost at the same time, to demand satisfaction. Tullus had ordered his representatives to attend to their instructions before anything else. He knew well that the Alban would refuse, and so war might be proclaimed with a clear conscience. Their commission was executed in a more dilatory manner by the Albans: being courteously and kindly entertained by Tullus, they gladly took advantage of the king's hospitality. Meanwhile the Romans had both been first in demanding satisfaction, and upon the refusal of the Alban, had proclaimed war upon the expiration of thirty days: of this they gave Tullus notice. Thereupon he granted the Alban ambassadors an opportunity of stating with what demands they came. They, ignorant of everything, at first wasted some time in making excuses: That it was with reluctance they would say anything which might be displeasing to Tullus, but they were compelled by orders: that they had come to demand satisfaction: if this was not granted, they were commanded to declare war. To this Tullus made answer, "Go tell your king, that the king of the Romans takes the gods to witness, that, whichever of the two nations shall have first dismissed with contempt the ambassadors demanding satisfaction, from it they [the gods] may exact atonement for the disasters of this war." This message the Albans carried home.
- Preparations were made on both sides with the utmost vigour for a war very like a civil one, in a manner between parents and children, both being of Trojan stock: for from Troy came Lavinium, from Lavinium, Alba, and the Romans were descended from the stock of the Alban kings
- The Albans first invaded the Roman territories with a large army. They pitched their camp not more than five miles from the city, and surrounded it with a trench, which, for several ages, was called the Cluilian trench, from the name of the general, till, by lapse of time, the name, as well as the event itself, was forgotten. In that camp Cluilius, the Alban king, died: the Albans created Mettius Fufetius dictator. In the meantime Tullus, exultant, especially at the death of the king, and giving out that the supreme power of the gods, having begun at the head, would take vengeance on the whole Alban nation for this impious war, having passed the enemy's camp in the night-time, marched with a hostile army into the Alban territory.
- Then the Alban army, which had been a mere spectator of the fight, was marched down into the plains. Mettius congratulated Tullus on his victory over the enemy; Tullus on his part addressed Mettius with courtesy. He ordered the Albans to unite their camp with that of the Romans, which he prayed heaven might prove beneficial to both; and prepared a purificatory sacrifice for the next day. As soon as it was daylight, all things being in readiness, according to custom, he commanded both armies to be summoned to an assembly. The heralds, beginning at the farthest part of the camp, summoned the Albans first.
Per me teper lexo ketu se eshte shkrim i gjate:
http://annourbis.com/Livy/Livius-1/10828-8_U14.html
ose ketu:
http://thriceholy.net/Texts/Livy1.html
Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga GL_Branch : 29-08-2008 mė 06:35
Eshte e vertete qe eshte pranuar nga ana arkeologjike:Postuar mė parė nga Hyj-Njeriu
Late Bronze age 1,400 BC
The archaeology has shown that the Hallstatt culture and Urnfield cultures of central Europe spread into west Romania and pushed south down the Morava-Vardar valleys into Macedonia. The Glasinac (Illyrian) features moved south into Albania, Epirus and the Greek peninsular. In Romania the Noua culture of Moldavia and Sabatinovka culture continued throughout most of the region.
"Traditional" history says that in about 1300 BC the Illyrian and Venetic tribes started migrating south from Pannonia to Dalmatia. This caused the Doric tribes to move south and take the Mycenae lands of the Achaeans and in turn the Achaeans moved into the Aegean islands and Asia Minor.
Transition to Iron age ~1,000BC
Further cultural movements in the west Balkans and Greece continued after the start of the Iron Age. This was the period of the Dark Age in Greece (Mycenaean IIIC to end of Geometric), the change from the Bronze Age to Iron Age in the Balkans, and the Hallstatt A culture in central Europe.
The Dardani (Illyrian) caused the Taulantii (Illyrian) to move south in ~10th century to Epirus. The Liburni moved along the Morava-Vardar to Macedonia in ~9th century. The central Illyrian tribes (Glasinac culture) moved into the Lakes region (Pelagonia) and Macedonia ~800BC. This caused a fall in prosperity in Macedonia and possibly the migration of the Phryges to Asia-Minor (if Brygi=Phrygi). This would link the Phryges => Lausitz => Vattina cultures.
Iron Age
1000BC-800BC
Mire e the sa iu perkete fiseve ilire ne "Iliada" mirepo sa i perkete themelimit te ketij qyteti me emrin ILIAD vjene nga Ilius, i biri Trojit, Trosit(greqishtė) pra Hili ishte gjyshi i Priamit...ku ne kohen e luftes qe autoret modern e quajten lufta e Trojes ne te vertete duhej te ishte me te drejte "lufta e Hilionit" e jo e trojes...perndryshe Homeri do ta ta quante "trojada" e jo "Iliada" ....
Gjenealogjia e ketij qyteti eshte kjo;
Dardani i Madh-erdhi nga dardania e Hilirisė
I
Eriktoni
I
Trojani(Trosi) nga e merr emrin Troja
I
Iliusi, ku ky qytete merr emrin e tij...
I
Laomedoni, nipi i trojanit e i ati i Priamit
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Priami, i fundit nga gjenealogjia e dardanideve....
peonet ishin prezent ne azi ne shek XIII; ?
Aspake nuke eshte e saket kjo teori qe nuke perputhet me as nje studim...
Eh, i vetmi studiim qe eshte per tu diskutuar eshte kultura e halstatit ku gjoja se iliret zbriten nga atje per ne jug e qender te ballkanit, keto keramika nuke mund te jene si prov themelore, hipoteza po, por iliret me soguri se jane nje fis pellazg...kjo e sigurt dhe jetonin aty ne ballkan per me se 8000 vite...
P.S: kjo harat e re qe sollet, aspake e saket; si mund te caktoje dikush kete datim ne shekullin e 8-tė para krishti
kur dihet se keto fise ilire si dardanet e
Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga Kreksi : 30-08-2008 mė 06:33
Askush nuk te pyt: ē'ka bere atedheu per ty por ē'ke bere ti per Atedheun ! - JFK
Mire e the sa iu perkete fiseve ilire ne "Iliada" mirepo sa i perkete themelimit te ketij qyteti me emrin ILIAD vjene nga Ilius, i biri Trojit, Trosit(greqishtė) pra Hili ishte gjyshi i Priamit...ku ne kohen e luftes qe autoret modern e quajten lufta e Trojes ne te vertete duhej te ishte me te drejte "lufta e Hilionit" e jo e trojes...perndryshe Homeri do ta ta quante "trojada" e jo "Iliada" ....
Gjenealogjia e ketij qyteti eshte kjo;
Dardani i Madh-erdhi nga dardania e Hilirisė
I
Eriktoni
I
Trojani(Trosi) nga e merr emrin Troja
I
Iliusi, ku ky qytete merr emrin e tij...
I
Laomedoni, nipi i trojanit e i ati i Priamit
I
Priami, i fundit nga gjenealogjia e dardanideve....
Askush nuk te pyt: ē'ka bere atedheu per ty por ē'ke bere ti per Atedheun ! - JFK
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