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    Nuk ndryshojme shume, ata jane siriane prej verteti, keta tanet jane siriane bionde wanna be qe dalin ne protesta me flamuj palestineze rrugeve te shkupit, duke uleritur bile.
    Keta jane blere. Me mundesine per te mbajtur familjen. Se germat arable nuk flakerojne ne troje te Shqiptareve. Feja nuk eshte shtet dhe profetet nuk kane qene mbreter, per arsye shume te forte qe eshte thelbi i fese (ne se ndonjeri ka).

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    Feja nuk eshte shtet, e vertete, por feja pervec ndikimit te saj aziatik qe ka ne popull, minus per ne, tenton te kape dhe shtetin (po kerkojne te futin lende fetare ne shkolla, me vone do kerkojne gjera te tjera). Nuk i kemi punet ne rregull as me shtetin, kemi nje shtet te kalbur fund e krye, ta fillosh qe nga kreu i qeverise deri tek anadollaku qe ka celsat e komunes me te humbur. Mentaliteti bizantin i drejtimit te shtetit nuk ndryshon nga ai i greqise aspak.
    Shteti konsiderohet nga politikanet si nje lope per ta mjele dhe per te bere korrupsion, ne shqiperi ka permasa skandaloze dhe te frikshme.
    Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga Billy Joe : 30-05-2012 mė 20:27

  3. #293
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    une nuk mund te flas per Greqine se nuk e kam shkelur asnjehere.

    shkak ka qene racizmi ndaj shqiptareve.epo thojn jan gjermanet racist!

    hajde prenceed na thuj nai1 gjo
    Cfar do te them drag.........
    Per greket dhe racizmin grek eshte e kote te flasesh se eshte bere bajate tashme.
    Te gjithe popujt jane racist ndaj njeri tjetrit......
    Edhe ne Gjermani drag ka racizem ndaj shqiptareve apo turqeve etj.
    E provova vete kur isha para nje muaji, ndoshta jo si ne greqi por ekziston si fenomen.

    Persa i perket krizes greke....Greqia nuk del nga euro as eurozona.Demet qe do shkaktonte dalja e greqise jane me te medha sesa ndihma qe duhet tju jepet.......gjermania akoma ka interesa qe greqia te jete ne krize.....etj etj

    Ėshtė e pamundur pėr pasardhėsit e pulave dhe hajdutėve tė deleve, qė jetonin nė majat e maleve dhe brenda shpellave, qė rrallė se laheshin dhe vidhnin gratė e tyre nga familja tė kuptojnė se si funksionon njė shtet i civilizuar, lėre mė tė kuptojnė se si ėshtė tė ndjehesh evropian. Ėshtė gjithashtu e pamundur pėr njė vend qė nuk e ka pėrjetuar Iluminizmin, Demokracinė dhe Revolucionin Industrial tė adaptohet kaq shpejt me njė ekonomi globale qė evoluohet vazhdimisht.
    me se aktuale edhe per shqiperine kjo
    Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga prenceedi : 31-05-2012 mė 01:45

  4. #294
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    Nuk vdes ky jo. Se nuk po thote ate qe eshte kryesoren. Se nuk eshte se helenet u budallepsen, ai populli i vjeter me tolerance nuk ishte grek. Po ashtu nuk po thote ate kryesoren, se tokat qe ju dhane kishes qe ne te pronareve shqiptare, te cilet jo vetem qe nuk i moren mbrapsh por u debuan. E njejta gje ka ndoshur edhe me kisha te tjera, ato sllave, perfshi ketu edhe Athos.
    Mendoj se keto qe i ka thene nuk jane pak, javan. Te thuhen keto gjera nga nje grek kane me shume peshe se te thuhen nga nja shqiptar, apo nje i trete.
    Greku po i tregon qarte popullit te tij se nuk ka kontinuitet ne mes grekeve modern dhe heleneve, po i tregon se Greqia moderne eshte u krijua nga fuqite e medha, se asimilimi i popujve te tjere ndodhi permes kishave e programeve te imponuara mesimore, po e nxjerr ne pah gapin historik qe ekziston atje, po ju tregon se nje pjese e mire e tyre jane arvanitas te asimiluar etj.

    Une kam pare edhe shqiptare qe nuk i i pranojne keto si te verteta. Biles ka pasur edhe ne kete forum nga ata qe besonin se greket modern jane pasardhes te heleneve.

    Tani, qe ky greku shmang shume te verteta te tjera per mua nuk eshte ndonje befasi e madhe, sepse ai prap se prap grek mbetet. Une nuk pres nga ky qe te zbardhe me shume te verteta se kaq. Te verteten per flamurin grek, per clirimin e Greqise nga Shqiptaret, per masakrat ne Cameri, per shkembimet e popullsive, per presidentin e pare grek, per himnin, per 'homogjenitetin' e popullsise se sotme greke, per fustanellen...e shume te tjera, nuk pres qe ti lexoj nga ky greku.

  5. #295
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    Mendoj se keto qe i ka thene nuk jane pak, javan. Te thuhen keto gjera nga nje grek kane me shume peshe se te thuhen nga nja shqiptar, apo nje i trete.
    Greku po i tregon qarte popullit te tij se nuk ka kontinuitet ne mes grekeve modern dhe heleneve, po i tregon se Greqia moderne eshte u krijua nga fuqite e medha, se asimilimi i popujve te tjere ndodhi permes kishave e programeve te imponuara mesimore, po e nxjerr ne pah gapin historik qe ekziston atje, po ju tregon se nje pjese e mire e tyre jane arvanitas te asimiluar etj.

    Une kam pare edhe shqiptare qe nuk i i pranojne keto si te verteta. Biles ka pasur edhe ne kete forum nga ata qe besonin se greket modern jane pasardhes te heleneve.

    Tani, qe ky greku shmang shume te verteta te tjera per mua nuk eshte ndonje befasi e madhe, sepse ai prap se prap grek mbetet. Une nuk pres nga ky qe te zbardhe me shume te verteta se kaq. Te verteten per flamurin grek, per clirimin e Greqise nga Shqiptaret, per masakrat ne Cameri, per shkembimet e popullsive, per presidentin e pare grek, per himnin, per 'homogjenitetin' e popullsise se sotme greke, per fustanellen...e shume te tjera, nuk pres qe ti lexoj nga ky greku.
    I ka thene ai keto apo kemi interpretuar ne te kete thene ashtu?
    Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga javan : 31-05-2012 mė 07:07

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    javan, lexoje dhe nje here me kujdes. ka ca gjera as une sbie dakord, por ketu ja ka qelluar.

    Modern Greece is by no means related either genetically or culturally to the ancient cosmos and the people who once occupied this land. The modern greeks are just an intermixture of balkan tribes (albanians/arvanites, slavs, vlachs) which in the process of time mingled with northern africans, armenians and other tribes of Anatolia, not to mention the francs and the venetians who were also dominantly present in this land.

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    A recent survey showed that 41% of the last names of the Greeks living in the Attica area have hellenized Illyrian (Arvanites) last names.

    dhe atika eshte athina.

    vete athina u rithemelua nga arvanitasit.

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    The Illyrians, however, as well as their descendants, the “Arvanites”, were ancient Pelasgic tribes as the ancient Greeks were. Besides that, the Greek Arvanites are the ones who fought for the independence of Greece in 1821 and before.

    dhe me beso arvanitasit dhe pse flasin shqip e konsiderojne veten plotesisht greke, e kam degjuar me veshet e mi, ne shqip.
    Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga Billy Joe : 31-05-2012 mė 07:40

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    I ka thene ai keto apo kemi interpretuar ne te kete thene ashtu?
    Sigurisht se e kam fjalen per ato qe i ka thene.

    P.S. I shkeputa disa paragrafe nga shkrimi i tij, duke i percjellur me komente se perse une mendoj se ka thene shume...por fatkeqesisht ky limiti kohor ne kete forum beri qe te humb komplet teksti. Ne momentin qe klikova 'posto pergjigjen' statusi im tashme ishte off line. Kerkoj nga administratori qe te zgjatet ky limit pak me shume.

    Po pritoj qe ta shkruaj edhe nje here.

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    Nuk vdes ky jo. Se nuk po thote ate qe eshte kryesoren. Se nuk eshte se helenet u budallepsen, ai populli i vjeter me tolerance nuk ishte grek. Po ashtu nuk po thote ate kryesoren, se tokat qe ju dhane kishes qe ne te pronareve shqiptare, te cilet jo vetem qe nuk i moren mbrapsh por u debuan. E njejta gje ka ndoshur edhe me kisha te tjera, ato sllave, perfshi ketu edhe Athos.
    Mo t'ju duket cudi ne qofte se degjon qe Dhimoja: ka bere aksident, eshte rezuar nga shkallet prej nje lekure bananeje, ka AIDS, e sulmuan "i alvani" rruges per ta plackitur etj etj etj.....
    Mendoj se Ayy (Dhimoja) ka thene dicka qe ndofta vetem Aristidh Kolja e ka hulumtuar, thene e botuar publikisht dhe dihet perfundimi si dhe shihet qarte se ne c'kondita mjegulle dhe harrese vazhdon lidhje e Arvanitasve pas TIJ.
    Megjithse edhe i madhi Kolja me teorine e tij se Arvanitasit e sotem jane para ardhes te grekerve te lashte, qeroi nje pjese te mire te historise kur varri ne cengelin e se vertetes perrallat e kishes se shemtuar Greke, foli haptaz per lidhjen e saj me Osmanet, bashke sundimi i tyre dhe sidomos rroli i kesaj kishe ne vllavrasjen e te ashtuquajturit "revolucioni Grek" qe fare mire mund te quhet "vllavrasje a shqiptareve" ku nje pjese e mire e tyre orthodhokse u kunguan (vaftisen) ne Elinas, ku shiten nder e bes, ku vrane e prene prapashpine me syte qorruar nga megaidea e trashigiimise se vjeter marre ne tymi e livanit kishtaro-sllav.
    Nuk po flitet per toka...... KETU FLITET PER NJE MASKARADE HISTORIKE, NDERETNIKE, SHOQERORE DHE NJEREZORE KU VETM SHEKSPIRI MUND TA VERE ME VERTETESI PERPARA NJE PUBLIKU.....KETU BEHET FJALE PER VJEDHJE TE HISTORISE, TRILLIM AFATGJATE SHUMSHEKULLOR KU EDHE KETU NE KETE FORUM BILE DHE THEMELUESI I TIJ QE KA EDUKIM DHE ESHTE NJERI I DALE NEPER BOTE, NUK DUAN TA PRANOJNE....E JO ME TA KUPTOJNE E TA PRANOJNE VETE TE ASHTUQUAJTURIT GREKE, KU 98% E TYRE VAZHDOJNE TE JENE TE VARRUR NE RRJETEN E MERIMANGES KISHE, I JAPIN PASURI E I LESHOJNE TESTAMENTE.......

    Paraqitja pjeserisht e se vertetes do te ndihmoje ne rralle te pare vete Greket, do t'iu ule arrogancen dhe kapadillekun, makuterine per toka kur nuk kane popullate per ato qe kane, e me vone shum me vone vetpastrimi i tyre do te krijoje nje atmosfere me dashmirese midis tyre e Shqiptareve, ku edhe ne duhet te bejme nje rishikim te historise sone, te regullojme te shtremberuarat, te plotesojme boshlleqet por edhe te ndricojme e mesojme aty ku kemi gabuar........ se jemi kojshi e nuk ka rruge tjeter.
    each second is eternity as eternity is now,
    and now, now is forever

  9. #299
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    The economic crisis in Greece which threatens to act as a locomotive power that will force most of the countries in the european south to exit the Eurozone, has triggered many discussions and predictions concerning the future of Europe as an entity. Numerous analyses find their way to the media on a daily basis, all attempting to explain the repercussions of Greece’s inability to reform and lead itself to an economic growth that will eventually free the country from the constantly increasing need of borrowing money to satisfy its basic needs.

    However, all those reports and economic analyses have something in common. They fail to deeply examine the socio-cultural roots of the greek crisis. If one does not take into account the idiosyncrasy and the psycho-synthesis of the modern greek people, will just miss the point.

    Modern Greece is by no means related either genetically or culturally to the ancient cosmos and the people who once occupied this land. The modern greeks are just an intermixture of balkan tribes (albanians/arvanites, slavs, vlachs) which in the process of time mingled with northern africans, armenians and other tribes of Anatolia, not to mention the francs and the venetians who were also dominantly present in this land.

    Those groups were mainly involved in agriculture and animal breeding. A significant number of them had been employed by the ottomans to serve in the army because the local inhabitants were hard natured and warlike.

    During the byzantium era, those tribes were christianized while the few remaining descendants of the ancient greeks who refused to convert to christianity were either persecuted and killed by the christian emperors or died of several plague waves that occurred quite frequently back in those days. Another factor that contributed to the reduction of the population was piracy. It is a well known fact that the city of Sparta had been almost abandoned and unoccupied for 400 years while Athens and especially the area around the Acropolis was a place for pasturing sheep.

    The attempts to “hellenize” those intermixed tribes were mainly made by european sovereign states which needed a protectorate to promote their interests. The geographic location of Greece is still considered as the connecting doorway between East and West. The european romantics who dreamed of reviving the ancient hellenic cosmos through the mountain savages also bear a degree of responsibility for the false identity that was given to the modern greeks.

    The superfluous and simultaneously disastrous decision to name as “hellenes” (greeks) that intermixture of tribes eventually placed a very heavy burden upon them simply because they lacked the proper educational background that would enable them to develop the necessary awareness that would help them identify themselves with the ancient inhabitants of this land.

    These mountainous hard natured shepherds were made to believe that they were not only the offsprings of the ancient greeks but also the christian God’s blessed people. Everyone can observe that there is no comparison between these people and the ancient greeks. No resemblance whatsoever physically, aesthetically and mentally.

    The Eastern Church was forcefully against any kind of education as it wanted its subservient believers not to read anything but the Bible. The role that the Church played during the years of the ottoman presence was catastrophic for the majority of the people because it was the main and the most effective collaborator of the sultan either through collecting taxes or contributing to the suppression of every revolt against the ottoman authority. The Church was surely rewarded by the Divan with a humongous amount of land enough to rank it as the biggest landowner of the country.

    The confusing identity of being a hellene and a christian at the same time still haunts most of the people in this land. Most of the people in Greece have been made to believe that they are the pure descendants of Pericles, Socrates, Leonidas and Alexander the Great while they consider it quite natural to be christian orthodox as well. Two completely conflicting worlds co-exist abnormally in the socio-cultural background of modern Greeks.

    The revolution of 1821 against the ottomans that eventually led to the formation of the modern greek state couldn’t have been achieved without the contribution of the european superpowers of that era. The seabattle of Navarino that marked the creation of modern Greece reflects the need of the europeans to use this land as their protectorate governed by regimes that were either appointed or imposed by the european financial interests. Modern Greece has always been victimized and exploited by the superpowers while its role in the sociopolitical arena has never been autonomous.

    The modern greek citizens who had never experienced the gifts of Renaissance, Enlightment and Industrialization remain culturally underdeveloped even today. Greece has been governed by the offsprings of the family clans that ruled the land right after the collapse of the byzantine empire and although it is true that democracy was born in this part of the world, it is not true that the ancestors of modern greeks are the ones who first created it.

    The Church continues to dominate the politics in this land. Greece is the last theocratic state in Europe. If someone wishes to have a career in politics, he had better “bow” to the local Church bosses first.

    In the 50’s and 60’s thousands of modern greeks were forced to abandon their villages and either migrate abroad or seek employment in the big city centers where factories were built and needed cheap labor. The countryside was abandoned and the cities experienced an unprecedented overpopulation that led to severe demographic and environmental problems since there was no urban planning (there isn’t one even today).

    The rural depopulation, however, created another great problem that few politicians have dared to tackle: The disease of urbanism. The constant flow of villagers showed that the motives to abandon their villages were not only based on their need for employment but also on their desire to experience the “urban style” of living with a sense of hedonistic lust. Contrary to the US southerners who take pride in their heritage and their land, the greek villagers preferred to come to big city centers and work as industrial workers or clerks instead of remaining in their land and cultivating it. They believed that “easy living” can only be found in the big cities.

    The military junta in 1967 encouraged the “love for urbanism” of the villagers even more.

    Two main political parties emerged after the fall of the military junta. The “New Democracy” party and the “Panhellenic Socialist Party” also known as “PASOK”. The first one had a conservative approach and the second one a supposedly socialist one. Both of them, however, had one thing in common: They made sure that everything should be directly or indirectly controlled by the state. In order to achieve their goal which was no other than to remain in power as long as possible, they found a destructive way of doing that. Thus, the state was transformed into an enormous employment agency.

    Those two political parties hired thousands of unqualified individuals to work in the public sector. The regimes borrowed money from the European Union to finance the fat salaries and the special privileges of their public servant armies. Prosperity in the private sector came only if it interweaved with the public one. No matter what somebody did, no matter what public service he wished to have, he simply couldn’t have it unless he bribed. Bureaucracy and corruption have always been interwoven.

    The degree of corruption in modern Greece is by far higher than the one in many Asian, South American and African countries. The country stopped producing anything since ¼ of its workforce was employed by the state. Finding a job in the public sector became every young person’s dream. It was no longer important what academic credentials one had. What mattered was what kind of political connections he had so as to be placed somewhere in the public sector where he would be handsomely paid without doing anything! The populist rhetoric applied by both those political parties created a new kind of roman-like ethics among the people. Undoubtedly, this grotesque political system is a unique modern greek invention. Having conservative (right wing, anti-communist) regimes with a stalinistic approach of implementing the authority of the state is something that can only be found in the country of Greece.


    The modern greeks are noted for having mastered the art of creating conspiracy theories. The whole world is supposedly plotting against them because of their racial “superiority”. John Maynard Keynes’ suggestion of “first stabilize and then reform” cannot find any application here because the greek economy can never be stabilized as it overflows with useless and counterproductive public servants.

    All the above mentioned facts may sound a bit surprising to someone from another western state. Well, nothing should be surprising, nothing at all.

    It is impossible for the descendants of chicken and sheep thieves, who lived on top of mountains and inside caves, rarely took a shower, kidnapped their hick wives from their parents and robbed villages, to understand how civilized nations function not to mention to feel europeans. It is also impossible for a nation that never experienced the gifts of Enlightment, Democracy and the Industrial Revolution to be able to adapt to the constantly evolving international economy.

    If someone wonders why the rest European Union countries are so stiff against Greece, it is perhaps because they are ignorant of the real situation here. They lack the necessary knowledge to fully comprehend the socio-cultural roots of the modern greek state. Greece will never be a purely european country. It can’t be. It doesn’t want to be.



    FEEL FREE TO SPREAD IT AROUND TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KNOW WHAT’S UP WITH CURRENT GREEK CRISIS! (ALBPELASGIAN).


    http://www.albpelasgian.com/the-soci...ic-crisis.html
    Powerful article. Informative.

    The article got derailed when the author slipped up and showed his bias.

    It is impossible for the descendants of chicken and sheep thieves, who lived on top of mountains and inside caves, rarely took a shower, kidnapped their hick wives from their parents and robbed villages, to understand how civilized nations function not to mention to feel europeans. It is also impossible for a nation that never experienced the gifts of Enlightment, Democracy and the Industrial Revolution to be able to adapt to the constantly evolving international economy.

    Throughout American history the same kine of prejudice was waged against people from the South (rednecks and hillbillies), Italians, blacks, Jews and the Irish. The Greeks have major problems and weaknesses but they don't deserved to be demonized. How much money you want to bet the Serbs say the SAME THING about the Albanians.
    We are the part of the Cosmos that discovered and understands its unfolding story

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    Powerful article. Informative.

    The article got derailed when the author slipped up and showed his bias.

    It is impossible for the descendants of chicken and sheep thieves, who lived on top of mountains and inside caves, rarely took a shower, kidnapped their hick wives from their parents and robbed villages, to understand how civilized nations function not to mention to feel europeans. It is also impossible for a nation that never experienced the gifts of Enlightment, Democracy and the Industrial Revolution to be able to adapt to the constantly evolving international economy.

    Throughout American history the same kine of prejudice was waged against people from the South (rednecks and hillbillies), Italians, blacks, Jews and the Irish. The Greeks have major problems and weaknesses but they don't deserved to be demonized. How much money you want to bet the Serbs say the SAME THING about the Albanians.
    the autor is not Albanian but Greek lol. anyway he's telling the truth...
    please read some more history and get informed before having an opinion about Balkan history and problems.
    Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga Billy Joe : 31-05-2012 mė 20:22

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