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  1. #7041
    Citim Postuar mė parė nga chino Lexo Postimin
    Po si s'ben te pergjigjesh, urdhero, se plasa me keta sugaret e Allahut qe aq te madh e kan besimin ne te sa qe vec me kode flasin e pastaj ikin prej pyetjeve si minjet neper vrima sic ben ky far "studenti". Haha po pse nuk e kish pas shkru Allahu edhe nje sure per keso lloj njerezish, nje p.sh. keshtu:
    "s'kam nevoje per jobesimtare, perderisa t'kam ty besimtar" (123.345 - El Gomare).


    Ok, tash mjaft me llafet mbi gomaret, s'meritojne ata kaq shume hapesire.
    I kthehem temes:

    Pra ti e pranon se Krishti sipas Kuranit ishte i deleguar i Allahut, dhe e pranon se Krishti e perdorte veren. Dhe pastaj e pranon se vera pastaj u ndalua nga Allahu (nepermjet te Muhamedit). Po atehere a nuk te duket asgje per cudi ky nderrim i mendjes se Allahut brenda vetem 620 viteve? Si e shpjegon kete nderrim te mendimeve ti? A pesoi Allahu nje metamorfoze mendore? Cfare pervoje te re beri "i gjithedijshmi" per te rimenduar pas 620 viteve se (paskam gabuar ne te kaluaren, sepse) me mire eshte nese e ndaloj veren (alkoholin)? Pse nuk tha Allahu qe nga fillimi e deri sot nepermjet secilit "te deleguar" te njejtat gjera??


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    Po Isa a.s. apo Isus Hristos apo Jezu Krishti apo Mesia ishte i Derguar i Allahut xh.sh....une nuk them nese e perdorte apo jo veren.Nuk shkruan ne Kur'an por ne Bibel se ai e perdorte veren.Une nuk them se i Gjithdijshmi pesoi metamorfoze ēfaredo mirepo nuk mund te jepte te njejtit urdhera ne kohe te ndryshme psh te njejtin urdher si Ibrahimit-Abrahamit si Ises-Jezuit ngase ka nje periudhe kohore bukur te gjate.Ose psh Musait-Moses ia dha Dhjete Urdherat qe ishin fare te thjeshte e mandej ne Kur'an ato u precizuan dhe u bene edhe dizpozita tjera.Do te ishte absurde qe psh 7000 (shtatemije) vjete me pare te beheshin rregulla te luftes psh sikurse jane ne Kur'an ngase Kur'ani eshte bere per te gjitha koherat dhe eshte i patejkalueshem deshem apo nuk deshem ne.Me Kur'anin dhe Muhamedin a.s. feja monoteiste eshte persosur siē edhe permendet ne Kur'an dhe Ai eshte Liber i Mbrojtur.Alkooli edhe ne kohen e Muhamedit a.s. edhe ne Kur'an njehere eshte bere ndalese per namaz qe d.m.th. nuk duhej te ishim te dehur ne namaz pastaj u be ndalese per gjate gjithe kohes e shkaqet dihen dhe s'ka nevoje te perrallezojme apo te paraqesim shkaqe ketu se s'jemi te vegjel.
    Dhe nje gje: Nuk ka nevoje te ofendosh aske,nuk eshte nje gjest pjekurie.
    Nėse dėshiron ta dish tė vėrtetėn duhet tė jesh i gatshėm ta pranosh.

  2. #7042
    ē'lidhje kjo me emrat?Edhe emrat arab shqiptohen ndryshe psh: Omer iben Hattab-Omar ibn Khattab,Muhamed-Mohamad-Muhammed...secili e shqipton sipas gjuhes se tij edhe emrat e profeteve te meparshem ne nuk dime si ti shqiptojme ngase qe te tri Librat origjinen e kane nga Lindja:dy nga Izraeli dhe nje nga Arabia keshtu qe duhet ata ti pyesim se si shqiptohen e jo anglo-amerikanet.
    Nėse dėshiron ta dish tė vėrtetėn duhet tė jesh i gatshėm ta pranosh.

  3. #7043
    i/e regjistruar Maska e alproud
    Anėtarėsuar
    03-05-2008
    Postime
    292
    Citim Postuar mė parė nga optimus.prime Lexo Postimin
    ē'lidhje kjo me emrat?Edhe emrat arab shqiptohen ndryshe psh: Omer iben Hattab-Omar ibn Khattab,Muhamed-Mohamad-Muhammed...secili e shqipton sipas gjuhes se tij edhe emrat e profeteve te meparshem ne nuk dime si ti shqiptojme ngase qe te tri Librat origjinen e kane nga Lindja:dy nga Izraeli dhe nje nga Arabia keshtu qe duhet ata ti pyesim se si shqiptohen e jo anglo-amerikanet.
    Ka lidhje sepse eshte nje deshmi edhe me e madhe se ngjarjet lidhen me personat qe jane te permendur ne te dy librat e shejnte perpara kuranit, Torres dhe Bibles. Nese ajo nuk ju tregon juve asgje, do ju ftoja ti rishikoni keto logjikisht. nese kjo nuk eshte e aplikueshme per juve thjeshte tregojuni tjereve dhe te mos kerkoni te mbroni ate qe nuk eshte e verteta.
    Fali armiqte e tu por asnjehere mos harro emrat e tyre.

  4. #7044
    O ti djale historia e profeteve eshte nje dhe nuk mund qe ti te folesh per Skenderbeun e te tjeret mos ta permendin.Te tri Librat nje burim kane a kupton?
    Nėse dėshiron ta dish tė vėrtetėn duhet tė jesh i gatshėm ta pranosh.

  5. #7045
    i/e regjistruar Maska e alproud
    Anėtarėsuar
    03-05-2008
    Postime
    292
    Citim Postuar mė parė nga optimus.prime Lexo Postimin
    O ti djale historia e profeteve eshte nje dhe nuk mund qe ti te folesh per Skenderbeun e te tjeret mos ta permendin.Te tri Librat nje burim kane a kupton?
    Eshte ndryshe sikur te tjeret ta perdorin, me anen tjeter te medaljes sikur ato ta permendin, por te mos e tregojne se ai eshte shqipetare, ta tregojne ate ndryshe, ta ndryshoje imazhin, idealin dhe qellimin e perpjekjeve te tij.

    P.sh Nese turqit, greket, serbet shkruajne per te por te thone se ai eshte nga kombesia e tyre, se ai fliste per lirine e tyre, nese ai tregohet se ju sherbeu atyre c'fare duhet te presesh nga shqipetaret?! Te te thone se ju keni te drejte ta beni kete, eshte liria juaj, eshte kjo ulje dinjiteti, a nuk eshte kjo vjedhje dhe korruptim i se vertetes per juve?

    Te tre librat kane nje burim, por te tre librat dalin ne kohe te ndryshme. Gjyshi, djali i tij dhe nipi kane nje prejardhje, por nuk jetojne ne te njejten kohe. Pa gjyshin nipi nuk do te kishte patur baba. Nese ai nuk do te kishte patur baba si mundet qe ai te vinte ne jete?! E kunderta ndodh me islamin, pranohet si unik, kur rrenjet jane te njejta,po si eshte e mundur qe ai te jete i vecante ateheran, cfare e ben ate te vecante?!

    Cudia me e madhe eshte qe kurani pretendohet te kete zbritur nga qielli ne nje kohe qe eshte me rrenje te njejta me librat e tjere te shejnte. Pra realiteti ne kete menyre kthehet ne misticizem.

    Do te pelqeja te shikoja argumentin tuaj per kete nese eshte e mundur.
    Fali armiqte e tu por asnjehere mos harro emrat e tyre.

  6. #7046
    neser mbrema se nuk kam kohe.Te lutem te kesh durim deri atehere.A ben?
    Nėse dėshiron ta dish tė vėrtetėn duhet tė jesh i gatshėm ta pranosh.

  7. #7047
    i/e regjistruar Maska e alproud
    Anėtarėsuar
    03-05-2008
    Postime
    292
    Citim Postuar mė parė nga optimus.prime Lexo Postimin
    neser mbrema se nuk kam kohe.Te lutem te kesh durim deri atehere.A ben?
    patjeter, ju flm juve per deshiren per t'iu pergjigjur pyetjeve te mia.
    Fali armiqte e tu por asnjehere mos harro emrat e tyre.

  8. #7048
    Nderi i Universit Maska e Gostivari_usa
    Anėtarėsuar
    12-08-2005
    Vendndodhja
    Atje ku nuk me gjeni dot!
    Postime
    3,639
    Citim Postuar mė parė nga Zarathustra. Lexo Postimin
    Ja dhe nje synopsi e ketij libri. Nje analize dhume shume interesante. Per fat te keq eshte ne anglisht, por lexojeni po te mundeni se eshte vertet mbreselenese.




    "Since September 11, 2001, there have been over 11,000 terrorist attacks, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians and a lot more injuries, throughout the world. The perpetrators of these attacks were not monsters; they were Muslims. They were pious people who believed and acted in accordance with their faith. There are millions more who think like them and are ready to do the same.

    If you think Islamic terrorism is a new phenomenon, think again. Islam owes its success to terrorism. The prophet of Islam boasted, “I have been made victorious with terror". [Bukhari: 4.52. 220] Since the day Muhammad set foot in Medina, he started his campaign of terror. His followers have been doing the same ever since.

    Muslims are intolerant, supremacist, bullies, and violent. They are highly inflammable and can explode if they are not treated preferentially and with respect. At the same time, they abuse others and violate the rights of people of other faiths. This is psychopathology.

    To understand Muslims, one must understand their prophet. Muslims worship and emulate Muhammad. Islam is Muhammadanism. Only by understanding him can one know what makes them tick.

    Understanding Muhammad is a psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet. It seeks to unveil the mystery of that man. Historians tell us Muhammad used to withdraw to a cave, spending days wrapped in his thoughts. He heard bells ringing and had ghostly visions. He thought he was demon possessed, until his wife reassured him he had become a prophet. Convinced of his status, he was intolerant of those who rejected him, assassinated those who criticized him, raided, looted, and massacred entire populations. He reduced thousands to slavery, raped, and allowed his men to rape female captives. All of this, he did with a clear conscience and a sense of entitlement.

    He was magnanimous toward those who admired him, but vengeful toward those who did not. He believed he was the most perfect human creation and the universe's raison d'źtre. Muhammad was no ordinary man. He was a narcissist.

    Understanding Muhammad, ventures beyond the stories. Focusing on the "why" rather than the "what," it unravels the mystique of one of the most enigmatic and influential men in history.

    Muhammad believed in his own cause. He was so certain of the reality of his hallucinations that he expected everyone to believe too. He would make his Allah indignantly ask “What! Do you then dispute with him [Muhammad] as to what he saw?” (Q.53:12) This is psychopathology. Why should others believe in what he saw? Wasn't it up to him to prove what he saw was real? Only a narcissist expects others to believe in his claims without asking for evidence.

    Muhammad was an orphan. Spurned by his mother in his infancy and left in the care of a Bedouin couple, he had a loveless childhood. He then passed to the care of his grandfather and uncle who took pity on him and spoiled him. Not receiving love at a time he needed unconditional love and not receiving discipline when he needed to learn about boundaries, he developed narcissistic personality disorder, a trait that made him a megalomaniac bereft of conscience. He fantasized about unlimited power, expected praise and admiration, believed he was special, and expected others to believe him and go along with his ideas and plans. He took advantage of others, was jealous, yet believed others were jealous of him, and was extremely hurt when rejected, even killing those who deserted him. He lied and deceived, feeling entitled and justified in doing so. All these are traits of narcissistic personality disorder.

    Thanks to another mental illness, temporal lobe epilepsy, the prophet of Islam had vivid hallucinations he interpreted as mystical and divine intimations. When he claimed he heard voices, saw angels and other ghostly entities, he was not lying. His problem was that he could not distinguish reality from fantasy.

    He also suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder, causing his fixations on numbers, rituals and stringent rules. This explains why he lived such an austere life and why his religion is filled with so many absurd rules.




    Normal Footprint Muhammad had fleshy and swelled hands and feet. His footprint shows he had acromegaly.
    In the later years of his life Muhammad was affected by acromegaly, a disease caused by excessive production of a growth hormone, resulting in large bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and coarse facial features such as enlarged lips, nose and tongue. Acromegaly occurs after the age of 40 and usually kills the patient in his early 60s. It causes impotence, while it increases libido. This explains Muhammad's sexual vagaries in his old age and why in the later years of his life he had such an insatiable craving for sex. He would visit all his 9 wives in one night to touch and fondle them, without being satisfied. His impotence explains his insecurity, paranoia, and intense jealousy of his young wives. He ordered them to cover themselves, lest other men would cast a lusting eye on them. Today, half a billion Muslim women veil themselves, because Muhammad was impotent. Muhammad's illnesses explain a lot of mysteries of Islam.

    The combination of all these psychological disorders and his unusual physiognomy made Muhammad a phenomenon that set him apart from ordinary people. His uneducated followers interpreted his differences as signs of his prophethood. Like devotees of all cults, they rose to champion his cause with dedication. By defying death and butchering others they made Islam the world's second largest religion, now the biggest threat to world peace and the survival of human civilization.

    Why is it important to know Muhammad? Because over a billion people try to be like him and do as he did. Consequently, the insanity of one man is bequeathed to all his followers. It is by understanding him that we can see through them, and be able to predict these unpredictable people.

    We live in a dangerous time. When a fifth of humanity worships a psychopath, eulogizes suicide bombing and thinks killing and martyrdom are ultimate acts of piety, the world becomes a dangerous place. When these people acquire the atomic bomb, the earth becomes a powder keg.

    Islam is a cult. It is time for mankind to wake up and realize that this cult is a threat to mankind and there can be no co-existence with Muslims. As long as Muslims believe in Muhammad, they are a threat to others and to themselves. Muslims must either leave Islam, leave their culture of hate and join the rest of mankind as fellow humans, or non-Muslims must separate themselves from them, ban Islam, end the immigration of Muslims and send home those who plot against democracy and refuse to integrate.
    Islam is incompatible with democracy. It is a warring creed that uses democracy to destroy it and to establish itself as a world wide dictatorship. The only way to avert the clash between this barbarity and civilization, a world disaster, is to expose the fallacy of Islam and demystify it. Muslims must be weaned from Islam for humanity to live in peace.

    Understanding Muhammad is imperative for both Muslims and non-Muslims. This book makes that task easy."

    ________________

    Ali Sina is the author of Understanding Muhammad: A psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet [ISBN: 978-0980994803]. He is the founder of faithfreedom.org, the organ of the movement of ex-Muslims that tries to unveil the truth about Islam to the world and help Muslims leave it, abandon their culture of hate and join mankind in amity.
    O ti zotni mos me sjell dezinformata ketu. Sa per informate e krejt bota e ka marrur vesht qe 11 shtatori ishte akt i kryer nga disa pjesetar te qeverise amerikane dhe se muslimanet lidhje nuk kane pasur me ate akt.
    Shum jane faktet qe perdeftojne kete, po nje te cilen une do ta permes ketu eshte fakti i fjaleve te fundit te atyre muslimaneve qe para se te perplasin aeroplanin ne njeren nga ndertesatbertasin "Allahu Ekbar" !!!

    Pik se pari more zotni keto nuk jane fjalet qe nje musliman i devotshem do ti thoshte para vdekjes!!! CDo musliman e di qe Allahu eshte I Madh dhe per kete arsye ne besojme Allahun dhe sa per informate muslimani i devotshem para vdekjes do te thoshte sheadetin - pra do te thoshte "Vertetoj qe ska Zot tjeter vec Allahut dhe se a.s. Muhamedi eshte i derguar i tij" ose ne arabisht " La-ilah-illa Allah , Muhammad rasul allah" keto jane fjalet e fundit qe nje musliman i thot ne momentet e fundit te jetes se tij.
    Andaj te gjithe ate qe ua kan servitur mediumet e Rupert Murdokut nuk jane asgje tjeter vetem skenare te shkruajtura nga njerez qe lidhje nuk kane me fene islame.

    GV_USA

    GV_USA
    WE WILL NOT GO DOWN!

  9. #7049
    Citim Postuar mė parė nga alproud Lexo Postimin
    Eshte ndryshe sikur te tjeret ta perdorin, me anen tjeter te medaljes sikur ato ta permendin, por te mos e tregojne se ai eshte shqipetare, ta tregojne ate ndryshe, ta ndryshoje imazhin, idealin dhe qellimin e perpjekjeve te tij.

    P.sh Nese turqit, greket, serbet shkruajne per te por te thone se ai eshte nga kombesia e tyre, se ai fliste per lirine e tyre, nese ai tregohet se ju sherbeu atyre c'fare duhet te presesh nga shqipetaret?! Te te thone se ju keni te drejte ta beni kete, eshte liria juaj, eshte kjo ulje dinjiteti, a nuk eshte kjo vjedhje dhe korruptim i se vertetes per juve?

    Te tre librat kane nje burim, por te tre librat dalin ne kohe te ndryshme. Gjyshi, djali i tij dhe nipi kane nje prejardhje, por nuk jetojne ne te njejten kohe. Pa gjyshin nipi nuk do te kishte patur baba. Nese ai nuk do te kishte patur baba si mundet qe ai te vinte ne jete?! E kunderta ndodh me islamin, pranohet si unik, kur rrenjet jane te njejta,po si eshte e mundur qe ai te jete i vecante ateheran, cfare e ben ate te vecante?!

    Cudia me e madhe eshte qe kurani pretendohet te kete zbritur nga qielli ne nje kohe qe eshte me rrenje te njejta me librat e tjere te shejnte. Pra realiteti ne kete menyre kthehet ne misticizem.

    Do te pelqeja te shikoja argumentin tuaj per kete nese eshte e mundur.
    Faleminderit per pritjen dhe durimin tuaj.
    01) Atehere po filloj nga e para: Kur'ani nuk i permend profetet me anen tjeter te medaljes por me ate ane qe ishin,dmth se ishin profete te Zotit ne fene monoteiste.
    02) Kur'ani nuk i shtremberon dhe nuk i ben te gjithe arab,perkundrazi per te gjith profetet e tregon origjinen e sakt te tyre dhe tregon se ata proklamonin nje fe,fene ne nje Zot.
    03) Kur'ani thote se gjyshi ishte Ibrahimi-Abrahami,djali ishte Ismaili dhe Is-haku dhe niperit ishin Muhamedi nga Ismaili-arabet dhe Isa-Jezui eshte nese mund te themi (kujto se ishte i lindur pa baba) nga Izraelitet.Nese shkojme me perpara shohim se gjyshi apo babai ishte Ademi-Adami i te gjitheve.
    04) Jo vetem Kur'ani por te Tre Librat (dhe nje i katert Zeburi-Psalmet i Davudit-Davidit) jane zbritur nga qielli por jo ne forme letre.Dmth nuk mohojme asnjeren.
    Ajo qe e ben te veēante Islamin dhe Kur'anin eshte se ploteson dhe verteton profetet dhe Librat e meparshem.
    Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga optimus.prime : 23-01-2009 mė 19:43 Arsyeja: ..............
    Nėse dėshiron ta dish tė vėrtetėn duhet tė jesh i gatshėm ta pranosh.

  10. #7050
    Desert Fox Maska e bayern
    Anėtarėsuar
    12-06-2002
    Postime
    3,030
    Citim Postuar mė parė nga sulioti Lexo Postimin
    Kurani eshte devijim e kopjim i bibles.

    Kurse bibla u shkruajt nga marrja e informacinoit dhe keq intepretuar siaps interesave hebrehe prej librave te lashte qe gjendeshin ne bibloteken e aleksandris ne egjypt, te cilat shpjegonin se si u zhvillua jeta ne tok nga civilizime jashtoksore,te cilet njerzit e asaj kohe i quajten zoter. KESHILLE PER LEXUESIT E KURANIT.PARA SE TE BINDENI SE KURANI ESHTE GJITHCKA NE JETE, DO BENIT MIRE TE LEXONI DHE DICKA SHKENCORE QE TE HAPNI HOIZONTE TE REJA NE TRURIN TUAJ.
    Bibla eshte bo si manual futbolli qe ndryshohen skemat perdite ti ke guximin me e krahasu me Kuronin qe si ka leviz i presje qe ktu e 1400 vjet perpara?

    E dyta, ca shkence thy ti iher? E ke haberin ca thote shkenca? Shume resme qe Kuroni i ka shkru e knu qe ne vitet 600 shkenca po i zbulo tani ne kohen e mikrocipit. Lexo icik me shume sesa postet e tuja ne forum daje se te bo mire per trute. Te zgjero njohurite. Edhe ket e ka thone Kuroni qe athere po kto shkencetaret e sotem i kane zbulu vone neuronet.
    But again, truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty you need only look into a mirror. ...

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