"Science": "Riprogramimi qelizor", arritja e vitit

[G.D]

Cka di ti per porceset e oksidimit ne organizmin e njeriut qe flet pallavra? Oksigjeni mes tjerash nuk eshte ushqim.

Pse ore mjeran , kaq pa tru je sa oksigjenin nuk e quan ushqim. Une e kam vleresuar si ne thonjeza kete fjale. Cilin nga proceset e djegies qe jep oksigjeni deshironi te dini sepse faktikisht jane me miliona.

Cka oksigjeni?
Cfare entropije bre?

Ke ardhur ketu per te pyetur apo per te kundershtuar sepse nuk e marr vesh rolin tend ne kete mes. Sic e kam thene oksigjeni pervec se i siguron energjine qelizes (dhe kete duhej ta kishe mesuar qe ne klasen e pare), edhe e shkaterron ate me kalimin e kohes (ja kete mesoje nga une sepse nuk e ke ne literature te shkollave te mesme).

Cka na zbulove o shoq? Cfare percaktimi vetish? Cfare demi? Cka substanca organike? Cfare probabiliteti? Cilin dem - ne cilin proces ku, klur, si, cfare?

Shiko ore truvyshkur, dna e jone nuk percakton vetite e oksigjenit . As kaq nuk merr vesh o fillozof. Dhe si rezultat nuk ka mundesi te zhduket demi qe oksigjeni i shkakton qelizes. Tani te te sqaroj une fund e koke substancat organike dhe te te jap leksione mbi kimine organike ABC e te ciles e keni bere qe ne shkolle te mesme eshte e tepert por me trego cmund te pritet nga nje medieval qe nuk dinte te mesonte as Matematiken qe eshte 100 here me loje sesa kimia organike. Megjithate bej nje kerkim ne google per kimine organike dhe shiko nje here te substancat qelizore, tek proteinat dhe cdo te zbulosh mbi aktivitetet e tyre.

Atehere, cfare po bluan pra?

Po bluaj te te tregoj se je nje optimist aty ku nuk duhet te jesh.

Te pyeta edhe nje here: kujt i intereson intuita jote? Kujte mund t'i interesoje besimi yt?

Po budallalleqet qe hedh ti ketu, kujt i interesojne?

Sepse ti beson dhe ke intuite, apo jo?

Po sepse mbush me mire sesa ti me fillozofite e tua ne ajer.

Ai miku nga japonia po pohon dhe ka realizuar ne prektike kthimin e proceseve zhvilimore te qelizave mbrapesht. Dhe kete askush nuk po ia kundershton sepse nuk ka asnje mundesi ta kundershtojne pasi qe eshte realizuar ne praktike dhe eshte faktuar nga shkenctaret tjere ne menyrat me rigoroze shkencore qe jane ne veprim qe nga fillet e shkence moderne.

Deri ketu nuk kishte kundershtime nga ana ime por tek ana e analizimit idiot qe po i behej kam patjeter kundershtime.

Une ty te garantoj se persosja e mekanizmit te kontrollimit dhe programimit te zhvillimit revers te qelizave do te mund te perfeksionohej brenda 5 viteve te ardhshme. Problemi eshte vetem te politika e cila mund ta ndaloje me ligj kete gje (por vetem per nje kohe te shkurter) per shkak te implikimeve negative ndaj njerezimit qe mund te parshikohen prej saj nga njerezit shkurtpames.

Mire une qe perdor intuiten por ju qe perdorni parashikimet prej fallxhori????
Po pra mos me thuaj se do te behet si pune e atij klonimit qe pasi nuk u mundesua u be kinse u ndalua ligjerisht. Sa e peshtirosur kjo analiza jote fillozofike.
Bastet jane perpjekje per ta shtensionuar debatin ne te cilin ti nuk paske pike njohurish njelloj si ne evolucion per te cilin nuk ta pret fare dhe si lecke e dale jashte dore qe jeni harroni fare se idoli juaj i evolucionit kundershton kete qe sapo thate me siper.

Pra je nje tip per ti qare hallin!

Here tjeter jep vete argumente mos kalo ne pyetje duke pasur gjithe mundesite e kerkimit te ABC-rave.

[Baptist]

Cilat argumente oj ruke?!! Hhahahah se po merrka pjese oksigjeni ne ADN dhe ARN? Hihihihihi
Hec more se je ba me keq se ajo ruka "tyryryry" haahahahaha

[G.D]

Sinqerisht qenke per te te qare hallin, si nuk merrka oksigjeni pjese ne cdo detaj te qelizes.
Puuuuuu, e tmerrshme!

[G.D]

Nese nuk e dini kini miresine te ta spjegoj:
Monosakaridi i ARN eshte struktura ciklike B-D-ribofuranoze ne te cilen permbahet oksigjen ne dy menyra te vetem dhe si grup hidroksil. Ne shkolle kete qe po jua them e keni quajtur thjeshte aldopentozen riboze.
Monosakaridi i ADN eshte dezoksi-2-b-d-ribofuranoze. Ketu ka oksigjen zoteri si me larte.
E more vesh tashi.
Nuk po ju fyej me shume por po e leme se eshte faji i autoreve te teksteve qe nuk ua kane dhene te tille. Ata mund tu kene treguar thjeshte bazat e azotuara dhe ti ke harruar se ADN nuk eshte aq.

[Baptist]

Pash nderen cka na spjegove? Ani cka qe ka oksigjen.
E di ti qe edhe uji eshte nga oksigjeni, por oksigjen nuk eshte e aq me pak oksidues per natyren. E merr vesh qe je tu fole perralla per harape. E di ti qe edhe atomi oksigjenor vetem ka krejtesisht tjera veti nga ato qe ka molekula e oksigjenit. E di ti qe ozoni ose oksigjeni treatomik ka absolitisht krejtesisht tjeter veti si lende. E di ti qe oksigjeni ne supermolekula eshte absolutisht tjeter, tjeter dhe me tjeter?

E di ti se edhe vet benzina e botes se gjale eshte C6H12O6? Dhe serish i nevojitet oksigjen per t'u shformuar? Sepse ajo eshte krejtesisht lende tjeter nga vet oksigjeni monoatomik diatomik e treatomik?
A e di ti se oksigjeni eshte nje nder elementet me te perhapura ne gjithe substancat e planetit?

A e di ti se ajo qe po flet ti eshte pallaver mbi pallavra dhe se nuk e ka asnje lidhje me temen? Dhe kete ta thash qysh ne fillim.

Anti-oksidantet nuk kane treguar kurrfare zgjatje te jetes.

Arsyeja perse plaken organizmat me hspejte ose me ngadal fshehet pikerisht ne ligjin e evolucionit.

[Baptist]

Kam edhe nje lajm tjeter nga zbulimet e reja te botes shkencore qe do te tmerroje te semuret nga virusi qe shkakton vuajtjen nga SIDSA (Sindromi I Deficiences Se Arsyes).

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Legjenda:
Peptide nucleic acid (gold) readily enters DNA ’s major groove to form triple-stranded and other structures with DNA , allowing it to modify the activity of genes in new ways.

(pjesen tjeter po ua jap ne tekst format)
In addition to fomenting exciting medical research, these amazing molecules have inspired speculations relating to the origin of life on earth. Some scientists have suggested that PNAs or a very similar molecule may have formed the basis of an early kind of life at a time before proteins, DNA and RNA had evolved. Perhaps rather than creating novel life, artificial-life researchers will be re-creating our earliest ancestors.

Autori Peter E. Nielsen eshte:

[brooklyn2007]

Kurimi i plakjes mund te behet dhe realitet ne dekadat e ardhshme, por me siguri do kthehet ne nje biznes qe shume pak vete do te mund ta perballojne. Me shume mundesi do jete nje analogji e ngjashme me koston e larte te udhetimeve te sotme ne hapesire te cilat kushtojne mos gaboj disa dhjetra milione $. Pra kura anti-plakje do jete vetem nje luks per nje numer shume te vogel elitash. Ne perdorim ne mase, nje kure e tille do behet realitet vetem pasi te zgjidhet problemi i burimeve te kufizuara natyrore dhe urbanizimit. Keshtu qe fatkeqesisht dy metra nen toke e kemi destinacionin ne populli i thjeshte sado para te ece shkenca ne kete drejtim

[Baptist]

( vazhdim artikulli, te faqja: <<<<< )

When we tried targeting duplex DNA with homopyrimidine PNA, to our surprise the PNA did not bind in the DNA’s major groove as planned. Instead one PNA strand invaded the helix, displacing one of the DNA strands to form Watson-Crick bonds with its complement, and a second PNA strand formed Hoogsteen bonds to make a PNA-DNA=PNA triplex. The displaced length of DNA formed a single-stranded structure called a P-loop, alongside the triplex.

This triplex-invasion binding mode has several very interesting biological consequences, because the triplex has great stability and the P-loop affects central biological processes such as transcription, DNA replication and gene repair. For instance, the P-loop structure can initiate RNA transcription of the DNA. Furthermore, the single-stranded loop can be exploited in applications such as protocols to diagnose genetic disorders: the DNA in a sample must first
be amplified (copied a large number of times), and the loop can serve as a specific attachment point for the copying process.

Other binding modes also occur, depending on the target DNA sequence and on how we modify the PNA’s bases. Of these, double duplex invasion is particularly interesting. In this mode, we prepare two pseudocomplementary PNA oligomers—that is, their bases are modified enough to prevent formation of a PNA-PNA duplex but not enough to disrupt their individual binding to an ordinary complementary DNA strand. The PNAs thus invade double-stranded DNA and form two PNA-DNA duplexes. In contrast to triplex formation, which requires a long stretch of purines (A and G) in the target DNA, the double-duplex-invasion binding mode has less restrictive sequence requirements: with the present technology, the target sequence must contain at least 50 percent A-T base pairs. Even that constraint would be relaxed with discovery of suitable modified forms of the G and C bases.

PNA binds in these ways to complementary RNA or DNA molecules with even greater specificity and affinity than that exhibited by natural DNA. PNA oligomers with fluorescent groups attached are thus attractive as probes to detect specific genes in diagnostic tests. For instance, so-called fluorescence in situ hybridization analyses highlight the positions on chromosomes where specific sequences are present.

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Prospects for Drugs
Many studies, in cell cultures as well as solutions in vitro, have demonstrated proof of concept for using PNA oligomers to suppress or activate the transcription, replication or repair of specific genes by binding to DNA in various ways. Researchers have also reported numerous experiments showing that PNA oligomers can function somewhat in the manner of antisense RNA interference, inhibiting gene expression at the translation stage, both in cell cultures and
in a few studies with mice. PNA achieves these effects by physically blocking key processes involving RNA. In contrast, DNA or RNA oligomers used for RNA interference are assisted by enzymes in cells that break down the RNADNA or RNA-RNA duplexes that are formed. The RNA-PNA structure is unlikely to receive this kind of assistance because the enzymes cannot recognize such a foreign structure, although so far researchers have studied the question only
for one of the relevant enzymes. Yet the alien nature of PNA oligomers also makes them
exquisitely stable in biological environs—enzymes that break down other peptides do not recognize them, so PNAs have more time to encounter matching RNA and disable it.

In some cases, blocking an RNA process can restore a healthy protein. Matthew Wood of the University of Oxford and his co-workers demonstrated in 2007 that PNA can exploit this effect. When they injected PNA into mice with muscular dystrophy, the injected muscles showed increased levels of the protein dystrophin, whose absence causes muscular dystrophy. The PNA prevented a bad segment of the dystrophin gene from being translated from RNA to protein, thus eliminating a debilitating mutation present in that segment while leaving intact enough of the dystrophin to function.

PNA oligomers and conventional nucleic acids share a common problem of poor bioavailability because they are large and predominantly hydrophilic (water-loving) molecules, making it difficult for them to enter cells, whose walls are made of hydrophobic lipid membrane. Despite the great stability of PNAs, they do not remain in an animal for long, being quickly excreted in urine thanks to their hydrophilicity. For instance, half of the PNA in a mouse is gone in less than half an hour. Thus, the advent of PNA-based drugs awaits the development of suitable
chemical modifications or pharmaceutical formulations (that is, mixtures with other substances) to improve PNA bioavailability. Indeed, the theremain focus of research into genetic medicines in general is work on overcoming the problem of delivery to cells in the body. Researchers believe that hurdle is the last obstacle holding back medical breakthroughs in this field.

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Artificial Life
By bridging the realms of nucleic acids and proteins, PNA might be able to serve both as a store of information, like DNA, and as the catalytic machinery of an artificial cell, like the many protein-based enzymes in natural cells. It is that potential dual ability, along with PNA’s other properties, that has attracted the interest of scientists seeking to create artificial life.

In many respects, however, RNA is ahead of PNA in this game. Natural and synthesized examples of catalytic RNA abound. Catalytic PNA molecules, in contrast, remain to be discovered. Yet just like proteins and RNA, PNA oligomers do fold up into the kinds of shapes (so-called secondary and tertiary structures) that are the key to performing catalysis, so I believe it is just a matter of time before a catalytic variation on the PNA theme is developed.

The most advanced approaches to creating life from the bottom up, by assembling collections of molecules, seek to identify self-replicating RNA molecules that catalyze their own synthesis. In principle, the RNA molecules in these schemes could be substituted with PNA or a very similar synthetic molecule. Autocatalytic replication systems using short oligonucleotides have been discovered, as have self-replicating short peptides. Thus, it should be possible to develop analogous self-replicating PNA systems. A self-replicating system based on PNA would have the advantage of chemically robust peptide bonds, along with the versatility and specificity of base-sequence recognition.

Yet a genetic replication system is only one component of life, albeit a central one. The essence of life is a network of chemical reactions functioning in a state that is relatively stable yet not in equilibrium and that is open to both inputs and outputs [see “A Simpler Origin for
Life,” by Robert Shapiro; Scientific American, June 2007]. A major challenge will therefore be to incorporate the self-replicating molecule in a larger system that carries out other catalytic activity and has a metabolic cycle and to integrate the system with a physical compartment such as a lipid vesicle, forming what some researchers call a “protocell.”

Steen Rasmussen of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Liaohai Chen of Argonne National Laboratory have suggested a primitive protocell design based on PNA [see box on opposite page]. The protocell container self-assembles out of surfactant molecules—lipid chains with
hydrophilic, or water loving, heads. The PNA’s backbone is modified to be lipophilic, or oil-loving, so that the PNA embeds itself in the protocell’s surface. Short pieces of PNA pair up with the protocell’s PNA to form a second strand with the complementary sequence. A lightsensitive molecule powers the production of more surfactant molecules, which increases the protocell’s size. When it grows large enough, the protocell becomes unstable and naturally fissions. This proposal is, however, highly speculative, and it still suffers from a basic problem that chemists have yet to solve—the stability of double-stranded PNA greatly inhibits its separation into two daughter strands. A long, tortuous road remains before researchers develop robust artificial cells.

Origin of Life?
A major goal of these efforts to create life de novo in the laboratory is to better understand how life may have started on earth. Considering the detailed microbiology of contemporary life-forms, it seems very clear that RNA is probably more primordial and central to life than DNA and proteins. This one molecule can carry both the genotype (the genetic sequence information) of an organism and the phenotype (catalytic functions). For this reason as well as other evidence, many scientists now accept the idea that our DNA/RNA/protein world was preceded by an RNA world [see “The Origin of Life on the Earth,” by Leslie E. Orgel; Scientific American, October 1994].

Yet it is very unclear how primitive prebiotic conditions could have produced RNA molecules, in particular the sugar ribose in the RNA backbone. Further, even if RNA molecules were produced, RNA’s very poor chemical stability hardly would have allowed the molecules to survive unprotected long enough to play a central role in the initial chemical evolution of life. Thus, a molecule like PNA appears very attractive as a candidate for a pre-RNA world: it is extremely stable and chemically simple, and it carries sequence information.

In 2000 Stanley L. Miller, famous for his seminal experiments more than 50 years ago showing that amino acids can form under conditions believed to simulate those on the primitive earth, identified precursors of PNA in similar experiments. Researchers have also shown that sequence information in a PNA oligomer can be transferred by “chemical copying” to another PNA oligomer or to an RNA molecule—processes needed for a PNA world and then a following transitional PNA/RNA world. Admittedly, it is a long leap from these scanty observations to building a strong case for a pre-RNA world based on PNA or some very similar molecule, and for the hypothesis to have any legs at all, scientists must uncover PNA molecules possessing catalytic activity.

Much remains to be learned about PNA 15 years after its discovery: Are catalytic PNA molecules possible? What is a good system for delivering therapeutic PNA into cells? Can a totally alien, PNA-based life-form be created in the lab? I am confident these questions and many others will be well answered over the next 15 years.

[G.D]

Pse sillesh si idiot dhe si i pandershem . Ketej thua me bindje te plote qe ADN dhe ARN nuk kane oksigjen dhe si rezultat i euforise fillon edhe me perqesh. Pa piken e turpit me mendon si te nivelit tend dhe me hedh brockulla pa menduar se ore ky me keto gjera ka 15 vite qe merret dhe nuk eshte i atij niveli sa te haje keto brockulla...
Nejse puna jote ajo e analizes fillozofike, por ta dish se nuk te toleroj as gabimin me te vogel qe hedh ketu.
Kur te spjegova qe duhej te kishe thithur me shume nga procesi mesimor dhe duhej te kishe marre vete info qe oksigjeni futet ne ADN dhe ARN ti kthehesh dhe ben nje pyetje prej skizofreni, pse cfare na duhet kjo, kur vete me talle ne budallallekun , dhe injorancen tende pikerisht me kete ceshtje.
Une kam kenaqesine te shoh qe ai me te cilin debatoj nuk eshte nxenes dembel i klases se peste por ka arritur deri ne te teten.
Keto ndryshime qe mi percollet me siper jane pa piken e interesit per temen por ti nuk e kupton. Keto, ore kaqol, nuk ka nxenes qe nuk i di. Kush dyshoi ore injorant qe O, O2 , O3 kane dallime te theksuara me njera tjetren. Kuptohet, ta zeme shembull se gjate bashkeveprimit te nje molekule organike elem. me ozonin (O3) marrim nje ozonide dhe pastaj e zhytim ne uje dhe formohen sub. organike me te vogla. Ndryshe ndodh kur e veme ne bashkeveprim me O2, pra ne kete rast nuk ndahet kjo molekule.
Tani kaq per kete dhjedhim tek i cili je shume i dobet per te debatuar dhe me e keqja nuk ke cte debatosh sepse i kopsita une problemet.
Biem tek argumenti im dhe tek kunderargumenti jot per anti-oksidantet qe ja vetem funksionojne shume pak por me mire te themi nuk funksionojne fare.
Kjo ore trushkulur, nuk eshte kunderargument sepse pse bizneset farmaceutike nuk dine te prodhojne me cilesi nuk eshte faji im. Jane gjithata shkencetare qe po merren me kete pune dhe akoma nuk ja kane dale te zvogelojne efektet. Pra seshte argument ky.
Lere evolucionin sepse e ke tradhetuar...

[G.D]

Per ta mbyllur kete rrjedhim debati qe deri diku ishte ne nivel te kenaqshem me lejoni te jap konkluzionin tim sa me racional te mundshem:
Mundesite per pavdekesi ose per perjetesi jane zero.
Ndersa mundesite per zgjatje jete shumica besojne se jane te shumta por kjo pune nuk behet me besim.

[Baptist]

Pse sillesh si idiot dhe si i pandershem . Ketej thua me bindje te plote qe ADN dhe ARN nuk kane oksigjen dhe si rezultat i euforise fillon edhe me perqesh. Pa piken e turpit me mendon si te nivelit tend dhe me hedh brockulla pa menduar se ore ky me keto gjera ka 15 vite qe merret dhe nuk eshte i atij niveli sa te haje keto brockulla...
Nejse puna jote ajo e analizes fillozofike, por ta dish se nuk te toleroj as gabimin me te vogel qe hedh ketu.
Kur te spjegova qe duhej te kishe thithur me shume nga procesi mesimor dhe duhej te kishe marre vete info qe oksigjeni futet ne ADN dhe ARN ti kthehesh dhe ben nje pyetje prej skizofreni, pse cfare na duhet kjo, kur vete me talle ne budallallekun , dhe injorancen tende pikerisht me kete ceshtje.
Une kam kenaqesine te shoh qe ai me te cilin debatoj nuk eshte nxenes dembel i klases se peste por ka arritur deri ne te teten.
Keto ndryshime qe mi percollet me siper jane pa piken e interesit per temen por ti nuk e kupton. Keto, ore kaqol, nuk ka nxenes qe nuk i di. Kush dyshoi ore injorant qe O, O2 , O3 kane dallime te theksuara me njera tjetren. Kuptohet, ta zeme shembull se gjate bashkeveprimit te nje molekule organike elem. me ozonin (O3) marrim nje ozonide dhe pastaj e zhytim ne uje dhe formohen sub. organike me te vogla. Ndryshe ndodh kur e veme ne bashkeveprim me O2, pra ne kete rast nuk ndahet kjo molekule.
Tani kaq per kete dhjedhim tek i cili je shume i dobet per te debatuar dhe me e keqja nuk ke cte debatosh sepse i kopsita une problemet.
Biem tek argumenti im dhe tek kunderargumenti jot per anti-oksidantet qe ja vetem funksionojne shume pak por me mire te themi nuk funksionojne fare.
Kjo ore trushkulur, nuk eshte kunderargument sepse pse bizneset farmaceutike nuk dine te prodhojne me cilesi nuk eshte faji im. Jane gjithata shkencetare qe po merren me kete pune dhe akoma nuk ja kane dale te zvogelojne efektet. Pra seshte argument ky.
Lere evolucionin sepse e ke tradhetuar...

Oj Lope kujt i thua ti Oksigjeni keshtu oksigjeni ashtu or diletant shko fshi WC e atij kirurgut qe i mban pecetat se ti as per forum nuk je
-Hahaaaaa "marrim nje ozonide dhe pastaj e zhytim ne uje dhe formohen sub. organike me te vogla." - Po ti s'je normal bre!?! Hahahaha

Per ta mbyllur kete rrjedhim debati qe deri diku ishte ne nivel te kenaqshem me lejoni te jap konkluzionin tim sa me racional te mundshem:
Mundesite per pavdekesi ose per perjetesi jane zero.
Ndersa mundesite per zgjatje jete shumica besojne se jane te shumta por kjo pune nuk behet me besim.

Hec bre baju, po kush je ti te te jap une llogari ty? ec fluturo me oksigjenin ose hypi babadimrit e fol me iravaset/melaqet.

[G.D]

Ah, po? Atehere je i paafte, dhe kaq.

[Baptist]

Kurse ti je nena e aftesive. Si nuk te vjen turp te nderhysh e te perzihesh aty ku nuk je as ne nivelin 0 zero...

[G.D]

Sa idiot qe qenke, o i gjori ti. Une sa per informacion jam zv/shef i pavionit te neurokirurgjise ketu ku punoj. Prandaj infermjerine tregoja familjes dhe vetes sate.
Ozonida eshte e tille o idiot:

CH2 ose CH3 sipas rastit{nje lidhje njefishe Lart}dhe {nje lidhje njefishe poshte} dhe pas se ciles kemi nje O larte dhe 2 O poshte te lidhura zinxhir - CH2 ose tre sipas rastit..
Kur futim H2O si rezultat i forcave elektromagnetike kemi nje carje te ozonides dhe formimin e produkteve me te vogla.
Me vjen keq sepse as piken e nivelit nuk e ke dhe po te permend edhe nje here se nuk jam i nivelit tend te me tregosh gjeret me te cilat merrem gjithe diten.

Ju lutem gjithe personave qe kane disa njohuri mbi kimine te tregojne se ceshte ozonida dhe natyren e ndertimit te ADN dhe ARN sepse une nuk jam i besueshem nga ky fshatari.

[brooklyn2007]

Jashte teme kjo. Si mund te egzistoje kjo lidhje CH3, kur valenca e karbonit eshte 2 dhe 4 ?!

[G.D]

Po sepse karboni hibridizon sp3, dhe jemi ne kimi organike

Dhe per te vazhduar sic thashe ne dakordim te valences kemi dhe lidhjen njefishe

plus CH3 i marre vetem quhet radikal metil

[brooklyn2007]

Ne nivelin e jashtem energjitik P mund te krijoje 2 orbitale te paplotesuara me nga nje elektron ose ne rastin e valences 4 nje elektron kalon ne nivelin tjeter energjitik D dhe krijohen 4 orbitale te lira. Nderkohe qe tek 3 atome hidrogjen kemi vetem nje elekton per secilin ne orbitalin S te paplotesuar. Kemi mosperputhje numrash. Vetem nese merr pjese ndonje atom tjeter me nje elektron te lire ose ne kushte speciale mund te kemi CH3.

[Baptist]

""marrim nje ozonide dhe pastaj e zhytim ne uje dhe formohen sub. organike me te vogla.""
Na fol pak me gjeresisht per kete cunga-llungen qe ke qendisur siper, - hajt se u kenaqa.

[G.D]

Po, e drejte, karboni qe te siguroje lidhje te forta me Hidrogjenet dhe elementet e tjere hibridizon enegjitikisht keto elektrone pra i ve mes p dhe d. Nje lloj energjie e ndermjetme. Keshtu qe lidhet me tre hidrogjene dhe me nje karbon tjeter. Pra kemi nje gjendje te tille te vargezuar:
-O-
CH3-CH2(po themi per te zgjatur molekulen) -CH3 (po e mbyll ketu)
-O-O
Kerkoj falje qe nuk mund te nxjerr saktesisht pozicionet e oksigjeneve megjithate po perpiqem ti skematizoj pastaj.

Kjo molekul futet ne Bashkeveprim me H2O.
Cahet ozonida dhe formohen produktet qe permendim larte.

[G.D]

Baptist vetem duro sa ta skematizoj