Në gjurmë të gërmave dhe shkrimit Pellazgo-Yllir

[Baptist]

lol styx ...
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Archaeologists working on the Plocnik site, in southern Serbia close to Kosovo have come across a stone age dwelling. During excavations the team uncovered part of a house dating back to the sixth millennium BC. Archeologists found a copper chisel, proof that the age of metal began earlier than previously thought in the Vinca culture, an early European civilization which lined the Danube in Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria and Macedonia.

Besoj se te interesuarit ne kete teme jane ne dijeni te "Vinca culture."
Pervetesimi "sllav" i keti civilizimi, gjurmet e te cilit gjenden ne gjithe Ballkanin, me le pa fjale.

Shkrimi Vinca:

Falemderit Lioness, dicka interesante. Si XHGashi dhe Kreksi kane sjlelle sa kane mundur informacione mbi gjetjet e Vinces.

Ajo qe doja te vija ne pah nga permbledhja qe ke sjelle me lart, eshte se Vincasit (prane Kosoves) paskeshin pasur shtepi papo edhe punonin hekurin me pare se c'mendohej. Kjo mbase eshte e "re" per shpuren Klodiane Seminariste qe plasi ti vendose dardanet ne maje te pemeve. Nuk me eshte dhene rasti te pyes ne se e ka mbaruar ate libren mbi popullin e "shquar " me "tradita" te serbise e sllavise.

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lol styx ...

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Archaeologists working on the Plocnik site, in southern Serbia close to Kosovo have come across a stone age dwelling. During excavations the team uncovered part of a house dating back to the sixth millennium BC. Archeologists found a copper chisel, proof that the age of metal began earlier than previously thought in the Vinca culture, an early European civilization which lined the Danube in Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria and Macedonia.

Besoj se te interesuarit ne kete teme jane ne dijeni te "Vinca culture."
Pervetesimi "sllav" i keti civilizimi, gjurmet e te cilit gjenden ne gjithe Ballkanin, me le pa fjale.

Shkrimi Vinca:

Tema është e hapur më gjerësisht këtu:

http://www.forumishqiptar.com/showthread.php?t=59578

[Baptist]

http://remotecentral.blogspot.com/20...-discover.html

Pasi i zhduken mumjet, serbia e ka marre seriozisht qe te vertetoje se eshte kombi i pare etnik ne Ballkan.

Ja dhe nje permbledhje mbi gjetjet e Vinces, nga e ashtuquajtura arkeologji serbe:

Vinca and its Culture
The Vinca Archaeology Park ·
Bibliography Geography and History of Explorations
Vinca and other neolithic settlements in Serbia

The Belo Brdo archaeological site in Vinca, on the right bank of the Danube, 14 km downstream from Beograd, covers some ten hectares of land. A high löss terrace and cultural layers are falling down towards periphery, thus forming a tell which rises high above the surroundings. The position of the site favoured permanent habitation, with a river on the one side for fishing and a valley of the Bolecica on the other, connecting Vinca with the hinterland rich in minerals and ores (Avala, Rudnik), hunting animals and fertile land. Geographical location of Vinca made its inhabitants mediators between the cultures blossoming in the south as far as the Aegean and in the north up to Central Europe. Significant events and changes in material and spiritual culture are mirrored in individual levels of cultural layers of some 10 meters of deposit accumulated through the long time people stayed in this area. It is understandable then that Vinca is singled out in the archaeological science as a reliable benchmark in examining the emergence and development of a number of Neolithic and Copper Ages cultures in the middle and south-eastern Europe.The first archaeological excavation in Vinca was undertaken by Miloje M. Vasic in 1908 on some 400 m2. The works were going on, except for minor intermissions, till the onset of the World War I. They were resumed as late as 1924, but for a while, since the war impoverished state did have but a modest capability of financing them. A lucky coincidence, which raised hopes, was an advertisement in "The Times" by Sir Charles Hyde, offering financial aid for "excavation of remains", which came into possession of M. M. Vasic through Alec Brown, a writer and a war comrade John Linton Myres, the then Oxford University professor. With good recommendation of the past excavations in Vinca and the help of British friends, considerable finance flew in and enabled resumption of works on a large scale. They were widely covered, particularly by the British press ("Birmingham Post", "Man", "Illustrated London News", etc.). Thus Vinca came into the focus of attention of archaeological science between 1929 and 1931, the site being visited by known science and culture personalities of Europe and the country (Ch. Hyde, J. L. Myres, W. A. Hurtley, Veselin Cajkanovic, Bogdan Popovic, to mention but a few). Vinca - excavations in 1924
The Prehistoric Vinca in four volumes (Beograd, 1932, 1936) and about 40 bibliographical articles written mainly by M. M. Vasic, marked the completion of the second stage of excavations.. Another 47 years should have passed to launch the Vinca works anew. The site bad been left to illegal excavations, to the profile destruction by various amateurs and collectors. Vinca - excavations in 1931
Only when the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts established a Committee on the Vinca Archaeological Excavations, and practically when Vasa Cubrilovic, the President, and Jovan Todorovic, Vice-president, took an interest in it, new excavations were undertaken, in 1978. At the outset, while the Bronze Age and the Middle Age layers were examined, the works proceeded under the guidance of Nikola Tasic in association with Gordana Vujovic. Since 1982 Neolithic layers have been worked on, under the responsibility of Milutin Garasanin and Dragoslav Srejovic. Vinca - excavations in 1985
The new excavations have started by methods unknown at the time of M. M. Vasic. These excavations in Vinca and publications thereon, simultaneously printed, opened up new possibilities in studying prehistory of the Danubian valley and south-east Europe. Graves of the Bodrogkeresztur culture and the remains of Baden, Kostolac and Vatin cultures were revealed thus far, as well as and old Serbian necropolis.Vinca and its CultureVinca is the largest and most comprehensively excavated Neolithic settlement in Europe. It was a metropolis with a flourishing culture, at the place where across the valleys of the Bolecica and Danube Rivers a joyful relief of Sumadija meets with the plain of Banat. Between 4500 and 3500 BC it was a major prehistoric settlement. Thus, Vinca is a notion signifying nowadays the peak of Neolithic farming settled culture in Europe.Cultural layer of Vinca, some 10.5 m high, offers an unusually interesting and exciting sight. As an opulent carpet, it is woven vertically with red, yellowish, brown, ashy and black interlayers of remains of the ruined settlements, burnt huts, deep diches and filled-in holes and graves. Each of those interlayers, signifying various stages of life in Vinca, contains treasury of most versatile objects: stone and bone tools and weapons, pottery for everyday use, richly decorated ritual vases, a number of anthropomorphic and zoomorphic figures, jewellery of various rare and costly materials and many other items whether worked in Vinca or acquired from distant regions, from central Europe, lower Danubian valley or from the Mediterranean. In spite of the fact that the works on prehistoric Vinca settlement have taken many years, only its middle part was examined. However, thousands of items have been found along the excavated area, adorning many n museum collection today, their examination still going on with undiminishing interest. Thanks to the numerous and highly versatile items, and architectural relics and raw materials used, it is possible to reliably reconstruct the whole history of Vinca, its artefacts and beliefs of many generations inhabiting at. Cultural layer of Vinca (10,5 m)
The first chapter of the history of Vinca being preserved in fragments only is insufficiently clear. Based on scarce remains of the oldest settlements discovered at about 10.5 m below the surface, it might be concluded that Vinca was inhabited first at the time of decline of the middle Neolithic Age (the Starcevo culture), around 4800 BC. Vinca-Bodrogkeresztur culture burial
The Yugoslav part of the then Danubian valley was densely populated, hence the establishment of the first settlement in Vinca should be probably linked with a smaller group of colonists, who in search of free farming land and pastures left some adjacent larger settlement located in the southern Banat. Although the settlement of those colonists in Vinca was relatively short-lived and small in scope, and although it is impossible to discover any new, specific expression in their achievement, they nevertheless left a document in Vinca, of extreme importance for the study of their physical appearance and spiritual culture. This is a large grave with an access path and nine skeletons, which was found in the centre of the oldest Vinca settlement in 1931. The finds, unique in the Neolithic culture of south-east Europe, show that the first farmers of the Danubian valley belonged to a peculiar anthropological type, characterised by features of the ancient European population combined with those of graceous Mediterranean people. The same blend of old Balkanic, autochthonous elements and Mediterranean are observed in the Starcevo culture, namely in the first Vinca inhabitants. Thus, the early dwellings in Vinca, like others of the time in the Danubian valley, have ellipsoidal bases dug into the loss and gabled road of switch, reed and straw, snugly fitted against the base. Anthropomorphic figurine from Vinca
Those tent-like huts, grouped according to a system in the oldest settlements of Vinca around the central one, provide for vidid reminiscence of architecture of the Danubian valley Early Mesolithic Culture (the culture of the Lepenski Vir). Columnal anthropomorphic figures of the time are ascribed to the same traditions, as well as whole ceramic dishes, the form of which bears clear reference to the older models of stone or wood. However, individual ornamental techniques applied on ceramic (for instance painted vases) as well as some rare materials used in jewellery (spondylus, paligorskite) indicate that the proponents of the Starcevo culture maintained relations with the inhabitants of the Aegean and wider East Mediterranean areas. Even more frequent have been contacts with the regions north of the Yugoslav Danubian valley. They are evidenced by small knives of volcanic glass (obsidian) which were obtained by the oldest inhabitants of Vinca from the upper Tisa (Tisza) valley. Anthropomorphic figurine from Vinca
Available archaeological material implies that the first colonists of Vinca have had good neighbourly relations both with the communities in the Pannonian basin and southern part of the Balkan Peninsula. The oldest settlement in Vinca was neither fenced nor fortressed, and the relics from the tent-like huts are associated with painstaking but serene living of peasants, whose daily life consisted of hard work, making stone tools and various ceramic dishes and naturally tending their land, animals, and catch. The population of the oldest settlement in Vinca, however, could not have enjoyed the fruit of their labour for long. The chain movements of the Neolithic population of Thracia and lower Danubian valley started already in the mid-5th millennium BC and somewhat later reached the areas around Vinca.The turbulence was caused by a slow penetration of Anadole-Halcolithic Culture, type Can Hasan - Beycesultan, towards the Balkan peninsula going on in two directions: by road, from south-eastern Thracian towards the Danubian valley and by maritime communication from central Greece to Northern Dalmatia. The cultures of the Late Neolithic Age emerged on the whole Balkan peninsula and central Danubian valley. As a consequence of these flows the Anadolian forms were first confronted by and then assimilated in various forms, into the indigenous ones. Thus, in contact with new immigrants, the Starcevo Culture turned into a new Vinca Culture. Miniature altar from Vinca
It was in those troubled times that Vinca was completely deserted, probably around 4500 BC. It is difficult to say how much time elapsed before reconstruction and establishment of new life in Vinca. It didn't take long, sure, because newcomers built a new large settlement immediately above the deserted tent-like dwellings. In new environment the newcomers were quickly assimilated with the neighbouring native population and remained there for almost 1000 years fostering and spreading a peculiar culture, the culture of Early Neolithic Age of the Central Balkan area, named after Vinca. Pedestalled bowl from Vinca
Spirit of new culture and new way of life is clearly demonstrated in architecture. Special attention was given to positioning of a dwelling, when a new settlement was built. Unfortunately, only the foundations remained preserved but it was established that they were all oriented towards southeast-northwest, they had quadrangle, almost square bases, vertical walls and gabled roofs. Lumber and clay were continued to be used as building materials, but the building process was enriched by new details and skills, such as levelling, stabilisation of the foundation, insulation, wall covering and painting. Zoomorphic pot from Vinca
The newcomers quickly accepted Vinca and its surroundings as their own land, the generations living and creating on that soil around 3500 BC, were their direct descendants. There was no disruption of life and culture, only their permanent enrichment, despite the fact what in the culture Vinca layer, at the depth of between nine and two meters, contains remains of many settlements. Thus, within the time span of a thousand years Vinca remained fenced settlement with straight streets, the same system of communication, but on the other hand with a noticeable extension of housing space and its functional layout. While initial dwellings, as a rule, were one-celled and sufficient for a small family, in later settlements large square buildings were discovered of about 40 to 60 m2 with a number of rooms and built-in "furniture" (benches built onto the stove, braziers, waterwheels, tables). Continuity of this culture is abundantly manifested in movable archaeological finds, primarily ceramic works - dishes and anthropomorphic statuettes. The two big groups of finds which testify to a highly developed sense for artistic form, reflect, in a most sensitive way, all daily situations of numerous Vinca's generations, namely the dynamisms of the Vinca culture, on the whole. Stylistic properties of ceramics and anthropomorphic plastic clearly reveal the main stages of life in Vinca, namely the periods of the Late Neolithic in the central Danubian valley. Ritual vessel from Vinca
The establishment, development and the peak of the Vinca culture are illustrated in the finds of Vinca, located at the depth of nine and six meters. At this period, which by method of C-14 may be dated to approximately 4500 to 3800 BC, the inhabitants of Vinca and their co-tribes created a culture of a particular style, which radiated far and dominated over the largest part of the central and south-east Europe. The Vinca culture covered a territory larger than only other Neolithic culture in Europe around 4000 BC; its individual settlements, for instance Vinca, Potporanj, Selevac or Divostin, surpassed in scope and population not only the Neolithic settlements of the time, but the first towns which emerged later, in Mesopotamia, Aegea and Egypt. The communities of those large settlement used to adapt their main activities to the local conditions. Thus, more attention was paid to farming and stock - breeding in some settlements, to weaving and trade in others, while in those abounding in rare materials started mining and various arts and crafts. Pot with incised desiing from Vinca
Due to specialised activities all communities in the Vinca culture grew fast economically, differentiated socially and became rich. The communities in Sumadija, Banat and Srem had by careful land cultivation and cattle-raising created surpluses which enabled them to obtain raw materials they lacked in their own territory, primarily obsidian of Erdelj, precious raw material for sickles and precision tools, owned by the neighbouring ethno-cultural groups. On the other hand stability of economy enabled the Vinca communities to relieve some of their members of manual work and devote their efforts to discovery of local raw materials and then their processing. So, the Vinca people came to cinabarite, which was mined at Suplja Stena and minerals (alabaster, marble). Vinca became the biggest market in Southeast Europe not only because of an exceptional value of own products but rare materials or objects, which were brought in from Transylvania, upper Tisza valley, lower Danubian valley and even from the coasts of Aegean and Adriatic seas. Anthropomorphic pot from Vinca
An extensive exchange of goods and development of communications released the creators of the Vinca culture from the clutch of a small plot of land and ancestral habit, gave wings to their imagination and let them hint at new worlds and take an attitude of trust towards nature, life and future. Vinca and some other Neolithic settlements near Vrsac (Potporanj), Kragujevac (Grivac, Divostin) Titova Mitrovica (Valac) and Pristina (Predionica) turned into major religious centres and simultaneously artistic retreat which influenced decisively visual arts in all Neolithic communities of Central and South-East Europe. Hundreds and thousands of clay statuettes and ritual vases, discovered in the mentioned settlements, attest not only to creative imagination and gift but to a boom of magic-religious practices within the Vinca culture. Thematic variation of clay statuettes (naked or dressed figurines of women and men, standing, kneeling or sitting, statuettes with masks on their faces, hermaphroditic statuettes) and their stylistic advancement starting from naturalistic, to realistic through to quite abstract forms, are an evidence of the prevailing primitive magic power, namely the shaping of clear religious thoughts. Judging on the looks of clay idols and various culture objects, it was expressed in rituals and myths connected with the turn of seasons, sawing or harvesting times births and deaths, and permanent life cycle, visually most completely expressed in the presentation of a woman with a baby in her arms. Bowl on three moulded legs from Vinca
Those Vinca communities that had not opted for crop farming or stock-breeding but for mining and working new raw materials, created however, quite a different spiritual world. Those living between the heights of Kucajna and Deli Jovan Mountains near caves, big holes and hot springs had early guessed that in the depths of earth, in its complete dark, there grow and mature fantastic minerals and rocks. Members of those communities were the first in Europe to penetrate into the spell of the underground world, take its fruit to the light of the day and with the help of fire, make them turn into new materials - into metals, in this case copper. Anthropomorphic figurine from Vinca
With the discovery of the great secret of transformation of substance, those first European miners and smiths got involved in the processes of cosmic life and linked with a special world of gods and heroes. After discovery of copper, their imagination populated the nature with an endless number of secret beings: dwarfs, fairies and pixies, who joined the demons of grain and ghosts of fruit-bearing trees. That peculiar secret world of theirs in the Vinca culture was established at the onset of the 4th millennium BC, at the latest and persisted on the Balkan peninsula till the times of Christianity, the part of which was most probably built into the roots of the oldest recorded European mythology, in the ancient Greek myths about Demeter, Dionysus and Hephaestus the god-smith.The Vinca culture was at the peak by about 3800 BC. Ruins of the settlement and archaeological items discovered between the sixth and the second meter of culture layer of Vinca, dated by C-14 method back to between 3700 and 3500 BC, revealed that the Vinca culture started loosing its significance progressively to die out, definitely. Seated anthropomorphic figurine from Vinca
The observations reveal first that the settlements belonging to this part of the culture layer are considerably smaller compared to the earlier ones. Then began the construction of new defence system. Although local manufacture of all types of tools and pottery went on, it is nevertheless characteristic that the number of imported items increased and models of other cultures copied, ever more frequently. Obviously a radiating metropolis once, Vinca turned merely into a place which collected the elements from all parts of the world. This general fatigue, expressed both in non-original ceramic production and in anthropomorphic statuettes, was initiated by the discovery and widespread use of metals, primarily copper and gold. Tisza culture vessel from Vinca
This was not, however, the discovery of the Vinca inhabitants but of the people around the Pannonian basin who, searching for raw materials, found copper and pure gold. The discovery of these metals spoiled the previous culture balances and started disintegration of the structure of the Neolithic world.These developments affected deeply the material and spiritual culture of the Vinca population. At first, the stimulus from outside positively influenced them, since traditional elements combined with new style gave rise in Vinca to a short-lived cultural renaissance, characterised primarily by original forms of anthropomorphic plastic and new ornament techniques on ceramic. Tisza culture vessel from Vinca
The new stylistic synthesis resulted in preserved realistic forms, basically an anthropomorphic statuettes, but once three dimensional surfaces became flat, plastically modelled details were gradually schematised and turned into hardly understandable ornamental signs.The consistently applied ornamental style was aimed at compensating, by a sort of drawing and shadowing, for the lost sense of the third dimension. Some statuettes were even painted, but it only stressed the pictural character of the new ornamental style. Bowl from Vinca
Hence carved or painted details on the Vinca statuettes signify neither apparel nor tattooed signs, but emerged as a result of the development of stile which ranged from three dimensional realistic forms towards linear, abstract ones. Formation of that style has to be linked with the technique of cutting and adorning metal sheet and bones.Similarly as during the earlier stages of the Vinca culture, clay determined the basic forms of anthropomorphic statuettes, so in the later one figurines of metal sheet and bones became the proponents of linear abstract style which was transposed to other materials with more or less success. Anthropomorphic figurine from Vinca
In contrast to the statuettes, dishes were largely unadorned. This apparently contradictory fact, actually goes in line with the basic stylistic concept to which the third dimension is completely alien, as is the spatial development of ornamental motives. Consequently, only painted decoration came to the fore, done in pasteouse paint or incrustation, the rest of the techniques being largely neglected.The uninterrupted adorning motives were no longer applied (current spiral, meander), but all the ornaments are either limited in space (metopic style) or associated with individual parts of a vase. Prosopomorphic lid from Vinca
This strict tectonic style on ceramic, as well as ornamental abstract forms on plastic, are an expression of a serious crisis, instigated by introduction of metal, into still predominantly agrarian environment. With the development of metallurgy of copper, new social relations were gradually taking shape, which contradicted the traditional way of life. The inhabitants of Vinca were not ready to accept progressive economic and gods, already present in the cultures of neighbouring area. Being as it was, the old gods of Vinca had to be raised as high as possible in confrontation to alien divinity.Hence new form of religious practice in Vinca, documented primarily by the known iconographic pattern of mother and child in her arms, the general female bread-winner and the great lady. Anthropomorphic figurine from Vinca ("The Lady of Vinca")
Those numens without real power or face, were burnt together with the huts of their creators at the assault of invading cultures of the Copper Age. That horizon marks the last major chapter in the history of Vinca, history of some fifteen centuries full of significant cultural achievement and exciting events.Life went on in Vinca till the arrival of the Romans to our parts, but neither with the same intensity and new economic and social structures, nor on the same area. Today, Vinca is known for a series of finds dating back to the Copper, Bronze and Iron Ages (including Old Serbian necropolis from Middle Age - note by PR). However, these are only traces, often very important for an understanding of certain phenomena in prehistoric culture of the central Danubian valley, but they are only secondary to the Vinca history. Relief showing a woman holding a child from Vinca
It seems that the Vinca soil has preserved its attractive power even in the civilisation of our age.Next to the prehistoric settlement namely, there is nowadays an emposing building of the Boris Kidric Institute of Nuclear Sciences. The Vinca Archaeology Park The Vinca Archeology Park
The Master plan of Beograd puts the Danubian River bank around Vinca as an Archaeology Park. This future park will consist of the Museum of the Neolithic in the Central Danubian Valley, an International Centre for Neolithic Studies in the Central Danubian Region, facilities for conservation works and, of course, greenery. (The author of the Project Bratislav Stojanovic, an architect and town planner, member of the Archaeological Vinca Committee of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts). Anthropomorphic figurine from Vinca
The Museum should preserve a selected part of the excavation ("excavation as permanent exhibit"), provide for exhibiting space for items excavated in Vinca and in other Neolithic localities in the central Danubian region and an extra space for topical exhibitions. So designed, the Museum is partly an "architectural sheet" protecting and presenting the excavations - vertical profile of cultural layers from top to bottom, about 10 m height, and the oldest prehistoric settlement in Vinca. The visitors shall move along the ramps and stairs from one to the other exhibit; it is going to be a single space cut by paths and galleries, to give an impression about life going on at that place in the distant prehistoric past. The other part shall be a classical archaeological museum of selected exhibits, composed as a global and adjusted science/culture piece of information about archaeological finds in the central Danubian region.The International Center should become a meeting place of co-ordination, exchanges and adjustment of scientific achievements in archaeology of the Neolithic Age of the south-east Europe, a venue of international congresses, symposia, seminars and the similar.The main components of the Center should be a hall for plenary, gatherings, lectures, smaller halls for committees, offices for individual work, library, offices of international sponsors and for current activities of the Center. Beograd and advantages it offers, favour such activities, since it is a major center in this country and the seat of institutions such as the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts, Center of Archaeology at the Faculty of Philosophy, National Museum, the Museum of the City of Beograd, the Congress Sava Center in Novi Beograd and the similar. Anthropomorphic figurine from Vinca
Conservation and workshop facilities shall deal with the finds in the field, classify and reconstruct them, draw and make photos. They will house laboratories for determining absolute chronology by physical and chemical methods and a laboratory of paleozoological and paleobotanical analyses. Other workshops were planned, for conservation, photography, etc., along with the central archives, documentation, photo documentation, films and other archive documents.The components of the Museum, and the Center will be housed in a single building. Although each is independent and may exist on its own merit, they are parts of synchronised whole of the Archaeology Park.Green areas will cover most of the area (the total protected area is 6 km, at the upper level and about two along the river bank). The building itself with its semi-open and covered parts will be surrounded by greenery, cut by paths, as an aesthetic and dendrologic patch within a larger project of arranging the river banks and protecting the surroundings of Belgrade. Greenery would follow the countryside. In selecting the green cultures an attempt shall be made to maintain a sort of botanical continuity from prehistory to our times in this part of the Danubian valley. Zoomorphic figurine from Vinca
The lower, river bank plateau, river dikes and the space of the vertical profile, will be turned into useful, grass areas under the planning concept for the Danubian banks. Thus, the Archaeology Park, although a whole in itself shall be an excursion and recreation site at the bank of one of the two Beograd rivers. Fishing will continue to be fostered, boating and excursion by ship. A tourist information stall at the bank is also a part of the picture.The items the Vinca site will be exposed in the Park itself, either in the open or in sheds. They shall feature reconstructed historical houses or their parts, models of settlements and their parts, based on the knowledge arrived at during past and current excavations. The exhibit shall have an education purpose, it will be changed, namely replaced according to new developments.

[Kreksi]

Kultura e Vinçes eshte ndoshta me e vjetra ne europe qe deshmohet se ky civilizim ka njohur edhe shkrimin e pare te alfabetit ne europe.
Vinça shtrihet ne bregun e lumit Danub perkatesishte afer Gjerdapi(dera hapet) qe ne kete vend ujerat e Danubit hapin deren per tu derdhur ne Detin e Zi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Usdw7z8TU

[alfeko sukaraku]

Burhan Dautaj ka botuar tek Iliria 1994 1-2 vulen legjendare te Dymalit.

nga theniet e tij per kete vule legjendare njohim se deri me sote jan ber perpjekje por akoma nuk ështe arritur nje rrezultat bindes.Jane hedhur mendime se dy nga 4 monogramet lexohen PRYTANI & TAMIAS të dyja keto fjale greke !

une kam punuar mbi ketë vule edhe kam nxjerr perfundimet e mija personale,ndaj duke pritur 1 800 000 leket qe do shtepija botuese ta botoj ,unë po hedh nje pjes te kesaj vule ne kete forum duke shpresuar se ështe e me interes qe te hapet nje kendveshtrim i ri mbi mbishkrimet ne shqiperi!

1)ajo qe vrehet qe ne shikim te pare tek kjo vul legjendare ësht ekzistenca e simbolit "dha" te rrokorit te Mikenes!Ky simbol i ka rrenjet e veta ne ieroglifet e Kretes 1900 p e s ,pason ne linear a,linear b,edhe njihet deri tek arkadhoqiprioti deri ne shekullin e 2 p e s.Për tu permendur ësht fakti qe tek vula e Dymalit ky simbol shfaqet ne drejtimin djathtas-majtas,ne nje kohe qe normalishte shkruhet nga e majta ne te djathte????Gjendja e nje tjeter monogrami me te njejtin shkrime por me drejtim nga e majta na te djathte NA VERTETON SE VULA E DIMALIT E KA DREJTIMIN E LEXIMIT TE MONOGRAMEVE NGA E DJATHTA NE TE MAJT,PER DY MONOGRAMET E RRESHTIT TE PARE.KESHTU KEMI:simboli i pare=DHA.

2)pason nje tjeter simbol rrokor,por kesaj radhe ky simbol i perket arkadhqipriotit edhe lexohet"I".

2)pason germa Λ e alfabetit jonik ,i cili me vone u adoptua nga athina(shih Suida tek fjala "saimon o damos".

i gjith monogrami i par sipas mendimit time lexohet DHAIL,por po e merrnim parasysh dialektin arvanitas ,ose dialektin çamë do kishim i=y.kështu do lexonim fjalen DHAYLL=DHA YLL.sipas mendimit time kjo fjale ështe emertimi i nje faltoreje ,duke kujtuar keshtu parashikimin e se ardhmes me levizjen e yjeve,pra dhayll=dha parashikimin.Ne kete zone ndodhet edhe e permendura nga homeri ((faltorja e dodones ).

Vazhdimi i perket 3 emrave qe njihen si qytete nga gramozi ne tomorr.

[Baptist]

I ke rene mu ne koke Alfeko!

DIOne-DIOscuri-DEUs-ZEUs-
DIELL-Diel-DEElos-Deyallos- (DiaLL-Dexhall)
DIoskur-DIashtKur-DYAshta(Kocka)GUR ---Sepatat e Liktorit--Dhija =AGIA TRIADA-A-Djia e Trefishte

PS. Ato leket jane me te rejat a me te vjetrat?

Po shtoj edhe kete :
"They say of Cecrops that he first found out the name of Dios, and made an image of Athene."

"Thone per Cekropin se ai qe i pari qe gjeti emrin e Dios, dhe beri nje imazh te Athines."

[alfeko sukaraku]

me te vjetrat jan...styx.

Me behet qejfi qe marr mesazh kurajus nga ju.


3 emrat e tjera jane PERAT -PARTHA-DYMAL.

TEK monogrami dyte lexojme serisht nga e djathta ne te majt nga ku?

"Π" =P perben shtyllen kryesore

E- dele jashte ne ekstremin e djathte duke na dhene drejtimin e leximit djathtas majtas.

P=R,pason.

A- ndiek radhen djathtas majtas.

T-perfundon ne ekstremin e majt.keshtu kemi PERAT.

PERATI gjendet ne tre urat pran çarçoves,dikur ka qen repart ushtarak...sot thuhet se ështe stan delesh (ca miq te mi qe andej thon keshtu)

pra vula e Dymalit ne dy monogramet e rreshtit te pare ne thote DHA YLL PERAT

Kurse ne dy monogramet e radhes se meposhtme lexohen PARTA DYMAL.

UNE U MUNDOVA TE GJEJ PRITANIN EDHE TAMIASIN ....POR NE ASNJE MENYRE GERMAT NUK FORMONIN EMRA TE TILLE....MOS VALLË KANE IKUR ME PUSHIME!!!!!

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VULA e Dymalit ështe e shkruajtur me keto alfabete:

1)element te linear a ,b.
2)element te arkadhoqipriotit
3)element te alfabetit joni(te grekezuar me vone)
4)element te alfabetit arhaik latin
5)element te alfabetit klasik latin.

Vallë ç ka dashur te na thoj mbishkruesi me kete renditje shkrimore qe fillon nga 2000 p e s edhe vjen deri pak kohe me pare eres sone(kur u shkruajt ky shkrim)?????

mos vallë edhe renditja e emrave ka per baze vjetersin,apo permendja e ketyre emrave perben nje aleance!!Ketu une nuk mund te pergjigjem ,pasi ne shqiperi nuk kemi shkolla te shkollohemi per boten e lashte paragreke!!.

[Baptist]

Nuk e kam pare vulen e Dimalit dhe nuk flas me njohuri per te. Nje supozim eshte qe tere fjalet jane i njejti toponim ne peridha te ndrsyhme kohore.

Besoj se kjo mund te te hyje ne pune. Permban gati gjysmen e nje punimi tim te pambaruar.

"Me tej, Epirusi dhe Maqedonia e jugut ngjitur me te banoheshin pjeserisht nga nje tribe e quajtur “Parthini” e cila mendohet te ishte cfare kishte mbetur prej tribes Barat te Brutus(it) (Lexo: Britan, themeluesi Britanise dhe Perat- shenim i Styx)…dhe ne krahinen e Parthinit eshte qyteti “Barat” ne lumin Debol (Diall-shenim i Styx). Dhe ne veri te kufirit te Epirit me Maqedonine ishte qyteti Finiqit, ne lumin Skamandros.”

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ne se me emrin DHA YLL nuk e kziston qytet tjeter i lashte edhe i pa njohur ,ateher mundesit per të gjetur ate qe nenkupton vula legjendare shkojn drejt faltores se dodones rrez malit tomorre.Pikerisht ketu dua te lidhe ate qe dua te them ne kete postim duke e lidhur ate me shkrimin e styx me lart i cili na flet per zbulimet ne vendin e quajtur HJEN E NDYRE(serbiçken).
Hjena e di shume mire se sa e rendesishme ështe historia edhe mundohet te ngrej vampiret nga varri ne menyre qe ti kujtoj botes lashtesin e saj,KURSE SHQIPERIA NUK MIRPRET DIJETARET E BOTES TE CILET FLASIN PER KULTUREN TONE TE LASHT(MATHIU AREF NIKO STYLO).
hjena e ndyre edhe perse e vertetuar rraca e saj ajo serishte kerkon ne kete drejtim,kurse ne shqiptaret nuk kerkojm simbolin e pellazgjis shqipfolse FALTOREN E DODONES RREZE MALIT TOMORRE(JO XHAMIN E BEKTASHINJVE)FLAS PER NE RREZE TE MALIT TOMORR SIPAS ANTIKITETIT GJENDET FALTORJA E DODONES 5000 VJEÇARE.kjo faltore njihej deri ne kohet e strabonit te pakten(shek 1 i e s).

NE SE DO TA GJENIM KETE FALTORE ATEHER DO KISHIM GJETUR QYTETRIMIN E STERLASHT TE SHQIPFOLSVE AUTOKTON ,DUKE I TREGUAR BOTES SE KUSH JEMI NE AUTOKTONET.....VALL A KERKOHET NE KETE DREJTIM????

NE të njejtin liber me vulen e dymalit gjejme edhe nje mbishkrim tjeter ,vulë mbi qeramik i cili shkruan HEPAIΩΝ=HERAION.Simpatiku Burhan Dautaj(ish partizan) e permbledh kete vule ne mbishkrim!Duke kerkuar ne fjalorin e Suida per kete emer ,e gjej me kuptimin e nje faltoreje per nder te HERES,e cila sipas mitolologjis edhe Homerit , ishte gruaja edhe e motra e Divit!
Duke studiuar me thell per te vrej se ne nje mbishkrim etrusk te cilin e permendëm pak shkaras ne kete tem ,gjendet edhe latria per HEREN.sakte mbishkrimi shkruhet keshtu,I TANIM HERAMFE O FELIANS UNESA=I THONIM HERAMFE ËSHT FELLËNZ YJNESHA .HERAMFE=FEJA E HERES.
K jo na shtyne te mendojme per nje lloj feje te degjuar ne keto kohe (shek 6-2),e cila sipas mbishkrimeve etruske tregohet si feja me e lashte.

HERAION=HEREON ne greqisht,duke nenkuptuar llojin e besimit,p sh i"TE krishter,mysliman".

HERAION= HERA ION,HERA JON ,NE SHQIP .

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Perëndia ime NAIM FRASHERI ka qen njeri nga njohsit e mir te prejardhjes son pellazge ashtu si edhe GJERGJ KASTRIOTI dhe ISMAIL QEMALI.Mendoj se ja vlen te botoj ne ketë postim nje vjersh te perendis sime nga ku del ne pah se ai e njeh shum mirë prejardhjen ton,ATË PREJARDHJE E CILA NË BREZIN TONË ËSHTË E ZYMTË EDHE E PAQARTË FALË RRUGES SE SHTREMBUR QË KA MARRË DIJESIMI SHQIPFOLËS MBI HISTORIN E TIJ.

FORUMI,JU LUTEM TE MOS E CILSONI JASHT TEME VJERSHEN E PERENDIS SIME!.

NAIM FRASHËRI

PELLAZGET-SHQIPTARET

The Albanian people . botuar ne bruksel ,Albanian magazine nr 4 1897.

Ishte nje ditë
Që Pellazgjitë
Posi një dritë
Mbuluan dhenë
Duall nga Azia
Si mizëria
Dhe me ania
E hodhen denë
Pas pak herë
Duke u perzierë
Ca me të tjerë
Bënë Ellinët
Dhe duke ndarë
Syresh një farë
Si ka të ngjarë
Bënë llatinet
Edhe te tjeret
Të papërzirët
Pellazgjinj mbenë
Maqedollijet
E Ilirinjet
E Mollosinjët
Gjith ata qenë
Dhe ata janë
Prinderit tanë
Pastaj na thanë
Na Shqipetarë
Mundim të themi
Ne ata jemi
Atë gjak kemi
Si dhe shtyparë
Thot Herodoti
Ne Tomrrë zoti
Shtepi qe moti
Kishte Dhodhonë
Është me e vjetër
Ngaha çdo tjetër
Shumë më tepër
Kjo gjuha jonë
Ne kurdoher
Burra të ndier
Jemi treguar
Me Grekerinë
Dhe me Persin
Me gjith Azinë
Kemi luftuar
Me Leken vamë (aleksandrin e madh)
Mundem Daranë
Gjith Azisë
Burr u deftyem
Të gjith i thym
Permbys e kthyem
Fron e Persisë
Të tërë dhenë
Denë e steren ( tokën)
Sa kombe qenë
Në këmbë i vumë
Dhe mbreteruam
Kudo që shkuam
Tekdo luftuam
Vëndin zumë
Me Pirron vamë
Romës i ramë
Llatinët i vramë
E i tmerruam
Me Skenderbenë
Turqeve sa qenë
I dhamë dhenë
Kush i goditi
Posi Petriti
E i cfiliti
Turqit barbarë
Bota s guxonte
Që tju qëndronte
Po kush luftonte
Ne shqiptarët
PASTAJ U NDËRRUAM
SE SE KUPTUAM
TË MIRËN TËNË
GJAKËN PËR BOTËN
E DERDHËM KOTË
NJERI Ç TË THOTË
NUK ISHTE E THENË
MBAJTËM TURQINË
NGJALLËM GREQINË
NDIHMUAM ITALINË
PO SHQIPËRINË?
PSE SU MENDUAM?
PËR KË LUFTUAM?
Ç KEMI TANINË?

NGA NAIM FRASHËRI

TË LUMTË GOJA O BILBIL QË MË RRËNQETH SA HER TE LEXOJ.

në shenj respekti per disa miq të forumit të cilët nuk duan të degjenoroj në banalitet ,nuk po them asnjë llaf më tepër për pasardhesit DIJETARE E POLITIKAN ,QË NGA KOHA E ISMAIL BURRIT EDHE MË MBASË?

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qellimi ësht se avazi asimilimit po vazhdon akoma

Mik nga DARDANIA,ësht më se e qart se po te ndryshojm emrat edhe traditat tona do humbim edhe gjuhen ton..ky është asimilimi ëmbel fetar!.

ELENA KOCAQI i ndoqi rrenjet tona me arëm studimin e dijetarve me te medhenj te botes për prejardhjen e tyre.POR KUR TE GJITH KETA DIJETAR FLASIN PER PREJARDHJEN E TYRE NGA PELLAZGO-ILIRET...SHUMË DIJETAR SHQIPFOLES I MOHOJN EDHE I IRONIZOJN KETO LIDHJE..KJO ËSHT IRONIA E FATIT TONË!PERENDIA NAIM FRASHERI ME VJERSHEN MESIPER E RIVERTETON ELENA KOCAQIN DHE VEPREN E SAJ..AKADEMIKET TAN HESHTIN EDHE BEJN HARTA BUKUROSHE PER FEMIJET TANE NE SHKOLLA....TA NGREM ZERIN EDHE TJU ÇJERRIM MASKEN.

[Kreksi]

Pershendetje Styx,

Linkun qe e solle me siper dhe tekstin ne anglishte qe mjerishte se zotnoje por me shtyri qe te intervenoje per fatin e ketyre momijave ilire apo pellazge qe u gjeten ne maqedoni afer vardarit e jo ne Vinça si mendojne disa.
kto momie i moren gjoja specialistet serbe te beogradit dhe i derguan ne serbi ku atje pas nje studimi te shkurter i hodhen keto momie apo i zhduken ne lumin Danub qe te mos mbetet gjurme e ilirve...pra keto momie me siguri kane bartur me vete ndonje sekret te vlefshem per ne qe mjerishte kurre nuke do ta zbulojmi vetem nese shkojmi e gjurmojmi edhe me teje ne luginen e Vardarit ndonjehere qe as ketu nuke do kemi kete fat se maqedonet as qe do na lejojne kurre !

[Baptist]

Perëndia ime NAIM FRASHERI ka qen njeri nga njohsit e mir te prejardhjes son pellazge ...
NAIM FRASHËRI
PELLAZGET-SHQIPTARET

The Albanian people .
botuar ne bruksel ,Albanian magazine nr 4 1897.
...Ishte nje ditë
Që Pellazgjitë
Posi një dritë
Mbuluan dhenë
Duall nga Azia
Si mizëria
Dhe me ania
E hodhen denë

Pas pak herë
Duke u perzierë
Ca me të tjerë
Bënë Ellinët
...
Të papërzirët
Pellazgjinj mbenë
Maqedollijet
E Ilirinjet
E Mollosinjët

Me gjithe respektin qe kam per Naim Frasherin, dhe vellane e tij Samine mik te familjes time njehere e nje kohe, si eshte e mundur qe asnjeri nuk lexon ate qe lexoj une?

Naimi thote:

Pellazget erdhen nga Azia
Pellazget kaluan detin me anije
Pellazget u perzien me vendasit dhe krijuan Ellinet
Pellazge te paperier jane Iliret, Maqedonet dhe Molloset.

Kjo nenkupton per mua:

Pellazget qene te erdhur nga Azia, pra qene jo-autoktone
Popullsi tjeter gjendej ne Ballkan
Kjo popullsi para-pellazge del te kene qene gjysma tjeter e Hylleve (Ellineve) me te cilet pellazget u shartuan
Askund nuk kam lexuar per nje popullsi parapellazge ne Ballkan
Iliret, Maqedonet dhe Molloset quheshin barbare. Me qe nuk ka shartim tjeter, del qe “autoktonet” Elline te kene qene bartesit e kultures me te larter dhe prek kendej me te "edukuar" se barbaret.
Me qe kane erdhur nga Azia pellazget jane kusherinj te pare me sllavet.

Cfare i lekund kjo tezes greke? Asgje. Greket kete thone qe jemi Hylline dhe Pellazge, ju te tjeret keni erdhur pe Azise dhe keni gjetur aty Dodonen. Nuk po filloj te them qe nga nje greket kane bere dy Dodona po kjo eshte pune tjeter.

Ajo mbi te cilen une shkruaj, zakonisht jane pikat e dobeta te teorive qe paraqiten (me nje llaf oponence per free). Po ritheksoj se ne mund te bejme punen me brilante kerkimore, por neqoftese hipotezat qe hedhim kane boshlleqe themelore ne radhitjen historike te fakteve, studimet tona vetem se do i ndihmojme armiqte te perforcojne tezat e tyre mashtruese me rezultate tona te studimit.

Edhe Buda u habit kur i ofruan titullin shkencor nga Akademia Rumune. Puna e tij krijoi nje platforme te vleresueshme per akademine rumune sot, qe eshte me agresivja dhe me falsifikuesja lidhur me etnogjenezen e Shqiptareve, ne te njejtin rend me ato Greke dhe Serbe.

Ne se doni te kuptoni mire, ne se nuk doni...dikush kupton.

[Baptist]

Nje pyetje: Jemi te nen-forumi i letersise apo i arkeologjise?

Pa nenvleresuar veprat letrare te Rilindasve por .... shkence ekzakte?!

Po varet ne se cfare kuptojme ne me shkence ekzakte histori perpuqet me ate qe quhej histori ne te shkuaren. Homeri, Virgjili, ovide qene poete. Herodoti nuk e quente veten historian. Plato, Strabo, Skylax, Plini e te tjere e quanin veten udhetare e tregimtare. Po ti shohc me zell librat e tyre, thuhet me thane e thone, qe nuk eshte as afersisht shkence ekzakte.

Mire do ish te kishte Shkruar Arkimedi e Pitagora, po ata nuk merreshin me vogelima popujsh... Ne pergjithesi njeriu eshte nenvleresue ndaj brezit te tij.

[Baptist]

Me gjithe respektin qe kam per Naim Frasherin, dhe vellane e tij Samine mik te familjes time njehere e nje kohe, si eshte e mundur qe asnjeri nuk lexon ate qe lexoj une?
...

Xhanem-ti Stiksi, keta "rilindasit" kane bere goxha "inxhinjering gjenetik" me historine dhe identitetin e kombit.
Besa e Samiut (qe eshte e para veper teatrore turke) flet kryekeput per "Besen" turke e ca pislleqe tjera qe sot do te quheshin antishqiptare pa te bere syri as ver i here.

[Baptist]

Xhanem-ti Stiksi, keta "rilindasit" kane bere goxha "inxhinjering gjenetik" me historine dhe identitetin e kombit.
Besa e Samiut (qe eshte e para veper teatrore turke) flet kryekeput per "Besen" turke e ca pislleqe tjera qe sot do te quheshin antishqiptare pa te bere syri as ver i here.

Vepra e pare teatrore turke eshte "Dashuria Telatit me Fitneten", punimi pare i Samiut. "Besa" qe thua tine e Samiut, eshte perkthyer si "Mbajtja fjales-tragjedi Shqiptare" ne 1945 ne NY. Nuk e kam lexuar, keshtu qe keshtu qe nuk di se cfare genesh turke ke parasysh ne tragjedine shqiptare ku babai vret te birin per te mbajtur fjalen. (Kaq na kane mesuar ne shkolle per kete)

Per me shume, shiko c'shkruan Samiu ne "Shqiperia c'ka qene, c'eshte dhe c'do te behet", pak ndryshe nga sa ka thene Naimi me lart:

"Shqiperia sot eshte si nje luan i forte me kembe te lidhura i rrethuar nga cakalle dhe dhelpera gati per tasulmuar dhe gelltitur. Nuk mund te beje asgje vec te shtrengohet dhe te perpiqet te thyeje zinxhiret. Atehere cakallet dhe dhelperat do terhiqen, do humbin kurajen dhe nuk do guxojne te tregojne fytyren…

Cfare kemi bere qe ata (Turqit) te na marrin me vete kur te bien? Cfare kemi te perbashket me ta? Mos erdhem bashke me ta?Jo, jo aspak! Ne nuk jemi Turq, dhe as qe erdhem nga stepat e Azise. Ne jemi populli me i vjeter ne Europe. Ne kemi me shume te drejte te jetojme ne Europe se gjithe te tjeret."

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STYX
Naimi u bazua ne njohurit bashkekohore edhe ne terorin pellazgo-shqiptare qe mbrohej ateher.Në se nuk u kuptove atë qe doja te kaloja me vjershen e Naimit të madh ,unë po ta shpjegoj serisht.BOTA PELLAZGE NUK KA QEN KURR NJE MISTER I PANJOHUR ,POR ËSHTË RUAJTUR NGA POPULLI YNË BREZ PAS BREZI.

duke i njohur aftesit tuaja ne një drejtim në histori edhe duke i respektuar ato njohuri ,më duhet të pyes sërisht..SI KA MUNDESI QË HOMERI,HERODOTI,THUKIDIDI,STRABONI FLASIN PËR MOS EKZISTENC GREKE,EDHE ATHINEN E QUAJN PELLAZGE?????SI KA MUNDESI QE TE GJITH FLASIN PER PELLAZGET AUTOKTON..ME TE VJETER SE HËNA!SI KA MUNDESI QE DIJETARET E SOTEM SI ADRADO,KOPIDHAQI ETJE E QUAJN GJUHEN GREKE SI NJË GJUHE TEKNIKE EDHE TE KRIJUAR NGA GORJAS NGA LEONDINET E SIQILIS ,I ARDHUR NE ATHIN ME 427 P E S.SI KA MUNDESI QE MBISHKRIME TE SIGURTA EDHE TE NJOHURA NE GREQISHT ,KEMI VETEM NGA FUNDI I SHEKULLIT TE 5 EDHE KETEJ!.

Sipas te dhenave te njohura deri me sot NJERIU ERDHI NGA AZIA NE EVROP.kështu e shkruajti edhe Naimi.

greket nuk kishin kurre ne historin e tyre GJUHE SHTETI,por ishin gjuha e fes qe nga aleanca e athines edhe deri mbas renies se bizantit edhe mbrritjes se turqis.lufta per pamvarsin e greqis ishte luft mindis shqipfolseve mysliman edhe ortodoks...NGJALLËN GREQIN të tha NAIMI.

jonet ishin pellazg autokton qe banonin athinen.gjuhen pellazge e kan vertetuar si gjuh shqipe mbishkrimet e shpetuara te cilat ne se thomopulo nuk te esht specialis...shiko filologen ANNA DHIMITRIU,ne se edhe kjo nuk te ben pun shiko NIKO STYLON.Ne se edhe ky nuk te ben pun gjej mbishkrime jone edhe mundohu ti lexosh vet..ashtu sikur veprova edhe unë.Sot dijetaret e botes mbrojn theniet e antikitetit duke folur per perzierje dialektesh,edhe krijimin e nje gjuhe artificiale ne athin ,kjo gjuhe ësht grekja e cila u perhap nga aleanca e athines per her te par...NAIMI TË THA.DUKE U PERZIER ,BEN ELLINET.

te njejten gje do thoja edhe per etrusken pellazge..ndaj serish NAIMI kishte te drejt.

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sa per yllet-ylline-ellines..të them te drejten nga ju e degjoj per her te par edhe nuk dyshoj se edhe ju diku e keni lexuar.Por e gjith bota dijetare e antikitetit edhe e dijetarve te rinj që kaluan nga studimi imë per çështjen mbështeten tek HOMERI kur flasin per greket,pikerisht tek thenia,LARGË NGA E FIRA DHE LUMI SELLIENDA .
Sipas strabonit edhe dhimitrit sqipsin DYSHJA EFIRA DHE LUMI SELLIENDA GJENDEN VETEM NE PELOPANEZ edhe askund tjeter nuk ekziston nje dyshe e tille edhe perse EFIRA quhen 4 qytete te ndryeshme.

pikerisht kesaj thenie i drejtohet edhe THUKIDIDI i cili thot se "homeri nuk i permendi KURRË greket ne rapsodit e tij,vetem se USHTARET E AHILEAS QE VININ NGA EFIRA PRAN LUMIT SELLIENDA,NGA KETU THUHET SE VIJN GREKET E PAR SIPAS TIJ ,por kjo mbetet VETEM NJE E DHEN PA ASNJE FAKT BINDES PER VET NDODHJEN E EFIRES NE RADHE TE PAR.

çdo dorshkrim i lasht vjen ne ditet tona fal tradites se dor shkrimit edhe rishkrimit brez pas brezi,edhe te gjith dijetaret (perveç talibanve shqiptar)pranojn se DORSHKRIMET U PERKTHYEN NE GREQISHT NE SHEK 2-5 TE ERES SON.NDAJ DIKUSH ME LART I CILI FOLI PER VEPRAT HOMERIKE SI VEPRA GREKE ËSHT KREJT JASHT TEME SEPSE EDHE FEMIJVE GREK JU MESOHET NE SHKOLL SE VEPRAT HOMERIKE U SHKRUAJTEN NE NJE GJUHE"TE PAFOLUR NGA ASNJE POPULL"

[Baptist]

Tungjatjeta Alfeko,

Nuk kam asnje problem me Naimin, dhe ai e ka ekzaktesisht tamam kur flet per Tomorrin, ashtu si edhe Cajupi. Nje nga anetaret, nuk me kujtohet me saktesi ne se ka qene Cyclotomic apo Genesis e ka postuar diku "Baba Tomorrin". Ne cdo rast, te tera punimet duhen pare me sy kritik, pasi mashtrimi eshte aq i madh dhe ka vazhduar aq gjate sa nuk ka lene asnje teori te sakte imune, dhe asnje mendim akademik pa molepsur.

Po te kishe qene per nje kohe me te gjate ne forum do kishe pare se asnje nga ne qe marrim pjese gati rregullisht ne forumin e historise duke filluar me Genesis, Barat, Darius, Baptist, Harmonies, XhGashi, Pri-Ltn, Alibaba, Kreksi e nuk po i mbaj mend te gjithe te me falni, nuk kemi asnje dyshim qe nuk ka pasur greke ne koherat per te cilat shkruajme. Me sakte nuk ka pasur nga ata qe quhen greke sot. As Ilire nuk ka pasur. Edhe kjo nje terminologji e shpikur (njelloj si ajo "greke") per te krijuar nje entitet "te zhdukur" dhe mbuluar entitetin real ate te Hyllineve, ose Hyllireve. Alfabetet nuk jane "greke" po Hyllire bashke me linearet A e B te cilet deshmojne arkaizmin e te menyres te se shkruarit te pellazgeve. Identiteti yne eshte tjetersuar. Perpjekjet jane bere e po behen qe te na shpien te gjejme identititetin e atyre qe e lane ne Azi, ose te falim vendin dhe te ikim. Vetem kur te mos kene mire friken e shiptareve do dali ne pah e verteta e kulluar qe e ruajne sot nder manasire. Po atehere, nuk do jemi ne qe ta shohim... Le te mos leme kete dite te vike kurre!

Debati qe behet (qe une bej) te pakten eshte te percaktoje cilet jane greket e sotem dhe si u gjenden ne Ballkan. Kjo eshte te fillosh nga bishti, por eshte nje fillim i mire pasi te le pamend nga akrobacite historike.

Evropis, eshte njekohesisht krahine dhe nje qyteze e vogel ne kufirin midis Ilireve, Maqedoneve dhe Dardaneve.

Herakles ndau pikerisht kete Evrope nga Azia. Po kush eshte Azia? Kush na thote pse quhet Azi? Kush di te na thote pse ndau Herakles Diten nga Nata, mbitoken nga Hada? Ku doni ta shpini lumin e ferrit qe edhe vete "greket" nuk guxojne ta ngasin?