Sigurisht.Obama i ndreqi punet si me mire me Egjiptin,Libine, dhe tani nga kjo pervoje e suksesshme duhet patjeter te shtrihet edhe mbi Sirine.Postuar mė parė nga Antiproanti
Shiko lindjen e mesme dhe boten arabe si jane katandisur gjate ketyre viteve si asnjehere me pare.
Nese vertetohet se sulmi me arme kimike eshte kryer nga forcat qeveritare, a duhet nderhyre ne Siri?
C'shohim dhe lexojme,per mendimin tim,me mire nje Asad diktator se 30 asada me 30 armata islamike.
Une nuk i kam vleresuar efektet e veprimeve te SHBA, por vetem kam thene se sulmi i paraljmeruar eshte i pandalueshem nga Rusia&Co dhe nga nje pike e caktuar pothuajse i pashmangshem, nese nuk ndodhin befasira te medha...
Mosnderhyrja e SHBA ne rrethant e krijuara, pas paralajmerimeve te caktuara, per boten do te ishte gjithashtu shumefish me i demshem se nje sulm eventual.
Se a behet me mire apo me keq ne Siri dhe Lindje te Mesme eshte ceshtje apo diskusion tjeter.
Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga Antiproanti : 30-08-2013 mė 11:20
Nese kuptova drejte, edhe nese ka vrare 1000 veta me arme kimike, nuk duhet bere asgje?
Ministri i jashtem turk Ahmet Davutoglu that sot se sipas informacioneve te mbledhura nga Ankaraja, nuk ka dyshim se kane qene forcat e Assad qe kane kryer sulmin me arme kinike. "Duke u bazuar vetem ne informacionet qe kemi mbledhur vete and ekspertizen e eksperteve tane, nuk ka asnje dyshim se regjimi eshte pergjegjes" tha Davutoglu per gazetaret. (Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/30/us-syria-crisis-turkey-idUSBRE97T0J020130830
Ky vendim i Parlamentit britanik eshte vetem e perkohshme.Mbas raportit te OKB-se prap do te kete votim.
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Mbas refuzimit Britanik ,Kunder deklarohen edhe Gjermanet.
Zedhenesi i Qeverise Gjermane,Steffen Seibert : " Gjermania perjashton cfardo mundesi pjesmarrje ne sulmin mbi Sirine,dhe mbi kete ceshtje nuk duam as te diskutojme ...".
Burimi : rt.com
Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga semiku : 30-08-2013 mė 11:38
Rrebelet pranojne pergjegjesine per sulmin me arme kimike
Rrebelet siriane ne Ghouta, rrethina e Damaskut kane pranuar perpara gazetarit te Associated Press Dale Gavlak se ata ishin pergjegjes per incidentin e armeve kimike javen e kaluar per perdorimin e te cilave perendimi po akuzon forcat e Asadit. Rrebelet u shprehen se ishte nje aksident i shkaktuar nga mosnjohja e armeve dhe menyra e operimit te tyre. Armet jane dhene nga princi saudit Bandar bin Sultan.
Rebels Admit Responsibility for Chemical Weapons Attack
Po ashtu eshte dhe nje lidhje tjeter qe me ne fund po funksionin pasi website per nje kohe te gjate pushoi se funksionuari per shkak te trafikut shume te madh. Natyra e lajmit te postuar eshte sic mund te kuptohet shume e vecante.Rebels told Gavlak that they were not properly trained on how to handle the chemical weapons or even told what they were. It appears as though the weapons were initially supposed to be given to the Al-Qaeda offshoot Jabhat al-Nusra.
“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” one militant named ‘J’ told Gavlak.
EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
Te shohim si do interpretohet ky informacion dhe ca do thone tifozat e sulmit ndaj Sirise tani. Uroj qe t'i kete plasur bomba ne dore luftenxitesve dhe te ulin veshet e mos i bien me tambureve per sulme.
Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga Darius : 30-08-2013 mė 11:29
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Nuk eshte dicka e pazakonshme...
Edhe sot ka sa te duash njerez per te cilet edhe vrasja e miliona njerezve ( si p.sh. Holokausti ne Gjermanine naziste) nuk do te ishte arsye e mjaftueshme per lufte apo per ta sulmuar dhe bombarduar regjimin dhe shtetin pergjegjes.
Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga Antiproanti : 30-08-2013 mė 11:30
Do te thote nuk eshte me rendesi gjendja ne terren,por kredibiliteti i SHBA-se si fuqi planetare,...u kercenuam tani nuk do kthehemi mbrapa !
Kjo eshte doktrine e marre,egoiste ...po nuk sulmuam askush me nuk do na marr seriozisht !
Kjo loje e SHBA-se me Sirine (e financuar nga Arabija Saudike dhe Katari),eshte absurde : pikerisht ne 12 vjetorin e sulmit ne New York ,SHBA behet aleat me ATA qe e sulmuan !!
Triumf i Bin Ladenit,Al-Nusres,Talibaneve ,Arabise Saudike, lobit ushtarak ... SHBA me nuk funksionon si shtet,por si korporat.Interesi korporativ eshte mbi cdo motiv dhe arsye.
Ndryshuar pėr herė tė fundit nga semiku : 30-08-2013 mė 12:07
Eshte nje artikull ne favor te tifozave te Assadit sigurisht. Por vete artikulli i pare i ve nje pikepyetje informacionit qe jep, duke thene "nese kjo eshte e vertete".
Qe ne fillim dihej qe te dyja palet ishin autoret e mundshem, dhe nje apo qindra artikuj nuk besoj se mbyllin 100% debatin kur ka qindra te tjere qe thone te kunderten.
Besoj se me i besueshem do jete konkluzioni i UN.
Tani u bė lėmsh fare kjo punė !! Po naftėn Anijeve qė vajtėn deri atje, kush do j'ua paguaj ėė ?? Unė protestoj !
Ky shtet ėshtė ky qė ėshtė sepse qytetarėt tanė janė kėta qė janė !
Shkresa e Shtepise se Bardhe ne lidhje me perdorimin e armeve kimike ne Siri.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/08/30/text-of-u-s-assessment-on-syrias-use-of-chemical-weapons/
U.S. Government Assessment of the Syrian Government’sUse of Chemical Weapons on August 21, 2013
The United States Government assesses with high confidence that the Syrian government carriedout a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013. We further assessthat the regime used a nerve agent in the attack. These all-source assessments are based onhuman, signals, and geospatial intelligence as well as a significant body of open sourcereporting.
Our classified assessments have been shared with the U.S. Congress and keyinternational partners. To protect sources and methods, we cannot publicly release all availableintelligence – but what follows is an unclassified summary of the U.S. Intelligence Community’sanalysis of what took place.
Syrian Government Use of Chemical Weapons on August 21
A large body of independent sources indicates that a chemical weapons attack took place in theDamascus suburbs on August 21. In addition to U.S. intelligence information, there are accountsfrom international and Syrian medical personnel; videos; witness accounts; thousands of socialmedia reports from at least 12 different locations in the Damascus area; journalist accounts; andreports from highly credible nongovernmental organizations.A preliminary U.S. government assessment determined that 1,429 people were killed in thechemical weapons attack, including at least 426 children, though this assessment will certainlyevolve as we obtain more information.We assess with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out the chemical weaponsattack against opposition elements in the Damascus suburbs on August 21. We assess that thescenario in which the opposition executed the attack on August 21 is highly unlikely. The bodyof information used to make this assessment includes intelligence pertaining to the regime’s preparations for this attack and its means of delivery, multiple streams of intelligence about theattack itself and its effect, our post-attack observations, and the differences between thecapabilities of the regime and the opposition. Our high confidence assessment is the strongest position that the U.S. Intelligence Community can take short of confirmation. We will continueto seek additional information to close gaps in our understanding of what took place.
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Background:
The Syrian regime maintains a stockpile of numerous chemical agents, including mustard, sarin,and VX and has thousands of munitions that can be used to deliver chemical warfare agents.Syrian President Bashar al-Asad is the ultimate decision maker for the chemical weapons program and members of the program are carefully vetted to ensure security and loyalty. TheSyrian Scientific Studies and Research Center (SSRC) – which is subordinate to the SyrianMinistry of Defense – manages Syria’s chemical weapons program.We assess with high confidence that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons on a smallscale against the opposition multiple times in the last year, including in the Damascus suburbs. This assessment is based on multiple streams of information including reporting of Syrianofficials planning and executing chemical weapons attacks and laboratory analysis of physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin.We assess that the opposition has not used chemical weapons.The Syrian regime has the types of munitions that we assess were used to carry out the attack onAugust 21, and has the ability to strike simultaneously in multiple locations. We have seen noindication that the opposition has carried out a large-scale, coordinated rocket and artillery attack like the one that occurred on August 21.
We assess that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons over the last year primarily to gainthe upper hand or break a stalemate in areas where it has struggled to seize and hold strategicallyvaluable territory. In this regard, we continue to judge that the Syrian regime views chemicalweapons as one of many tools in its arsenal, including air power and ballistic missiles, whichthey indiscriminately use against the opposition.The Syrian regime has initiated an effort to rid the Damascus suburbs of opposition forces usingthe area as a base to stage attacks against regime targets in the capital. The regime has failed toclear dozens of Damascus neighborhoods of opposition elements, including neighborhoodstargeted on August 21, despite employing nearly all of its conventional weapons systems. Weassess that the regime’s frustration with its inability to secure large portions of Damascus mayhave contributed to its decision to use chemical weapons on August 21.
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Preparation:
We have intelligence that leads us to assess that Syrian chemical weapons personnel – including personnel assessed to be associated with the SSRC – were preparing chemical munitions prior tothe attack. In the three days prior to the attack, we collected streams of human, signals andgeospatial intelligence that reveal regime activities that we assess were associated with preparations for a chemical weapons attack.Syrian chemical weapons personnel were operating in the Damascus suburb of ‘Adra fromSunday, August 18 until early in the morning on Wednesday, August 21 near an area that theregime uses to mix chemical weapons, including sarin. On August 21, a Syrian regime element prepared for a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus area, including through the utilizationof gas masks. Our intelligence sources in the Damascus area did not detect any indications in thedays prior to the attack that opposition affiliates were planning to use chemical weapons.
The Attack:
Multiple streams of intelligence indicate that the regime executed a rocket and artillery attack against the Damascus suburbs in the early hours of August 21. Satellite detections corroboratethat attacks from a regime-controlled area struck neighborhoods where the chemical attacksreportedly occurred – including Kafr Batna, Jawbar, ‘Ayn Tarma, Darayya, and Mu’addamiyah.This includes the detection of rocket launches from regime controlled territory early in themorning, approximately 90 minutes before the first report of a chemical attack appeared in socialmedia. The lack of flight activity or missile launches also leads us to conclude that the regimeused rockets in the attack.Local social media reports of a chemical attack in the Damascus suburbs began at 2:30 a.m. localtime on August 21. Within the next four hours there were thousands of social media reports onthis attack from at least 12 different locations in the Damascus area. Multiple accounts describedchemical-filled rockets impacting opposition-controlled areas.Three hospitals in the Damascus area received approximately 3,600 patients displayingsymptoms consistent with nerve agent exposure in less than three hours on the morning of August 21, according to a highly credible international humanitarian organization. The reportedsymptoms, and the epidemiological pattern of events – characterized by the massive influx of patients in a short period of time, the origin of the patients, and the contamination of medical andfirst aid workers – were consistent with mass exposure to a nerve agent. We also received reportsfrom international and Syrian medical personnel on the ground.
O qyfyre kot po te pyes, ca pret ti te lexosh nga Shtepia e Bardhe? Normal qe ata do mbeshtesin teorine e perdorimit te armeve kimike nga Asadi qe te justifikojne nderhyrjen ushtarake ne Siri.
Me po te njejten konfidence u shpreh dhe per WMD ne Iraq Shtepia e Bardhe (qe vetem e bardhe nuk eshte) dhe te gjithe e pame sesi ne fakt ishte e verteta. Behu me realist mer jahu se dihet qe amerikanet po bejne gjithe boten corap vetem se ashtu ja u do interesi.
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Obama e ul bishtin,dergon para gazetareve John Kerry-n : "Jemi te detyruar ta denojme Assadin,ne pyetje eshte besueshmerija jone ..."
John Kerry mbajti konference per gazetaret ,ku pritej te publikoheshin fakte per sulmin me arme kimike.Por nuk ofroi asgje pervec retorikes se meparshme,..."agjencionet tona te zbulimit kane te dhena te sigurta qe armet kimike jane perdorur nga ushtrija e Assadit - SAA...".Ai ne fjalimin e tij permendi : " besueshmerija jon munde te humbet nese nuk veprojme shpejt.Te gjitha vendet jane duke na percjellur me vemendje cfar do bejme....SHBA munde te humbas perjete rolin dominant ne bote,nese diktatoret hetojne dobesine tone..."
Fjalimi i tij ishte emotiv,por nuk harroi te jap mesazhin : "... pa marr parasysh pengesat,SHBA do ta sulmoj Sirine." ..."Presidenti Obama gjithmon e mban fjalen e dhene..."
Burimi : http://reuters.com
Jo vetem kredibiliteti, por ne radhe te pare siguria e SHBA-se dhe e botes...
Nga momenti kur SHBA paraljmerojne sulmin nuk ka kthim prapa, pa ndryshime rrenjesore te situates ose te casjese se pales tjeter.
Eshte ceshtje tjeter, nese eshte dashur SHBA-te te veprojne sic po bejne. Kjo eshte teme shume me e gjate dhe e komplikuar.
Jahjaga kėrkon intervenimin e NATO-sė nė Siri
Presidentja e Kosovės, Atifete Jahjaga me hidhėrim tė thellė e dėnon sulmin me bomba napalm ndaj popullsisė civile nė zonėn e Aleppo nė Siri, ashtu si edhe ditė mė parė kur u pėrdorėn armėt kimike qė morėn jetėt e qytetarėve tė pafajshėm ndėr ta edhe fėmijė qė tregon ashpėrsinė e konfliktit nė Siri dhe pashpirtėsinė e sistemit qeverisės tė diktatorit al- Assad.
Presidentja e Kosovės e fton bashkėsinė ndėrkombėtare duke i dhėnė mbėshtetje nismės sė vendeve demokratike nė krye me SHBA-tė pėr intervenim tė menjėhershėm dhe efikas pėr tė ndalė dhunėn qė forcat e regjimit po e bėjnė ndaj popullit tė Sirisė.
Duke marrė parasysh pėrvojat e intervenimit humanitar nė Kosovė, Presidentja Jahjaga konsideron se vetėm intervenimi ndėrkombėtar nė Siri mund tė ndalė gjakderdhjen dhe mund tė shpėtojė jetėn e qytetarėve duke krijuar kushtet qė populli i Sirisė nėpėrmjet zgjedhjeve tė lira dhe demokratike tė pėrcaktojė qeverisjen e vendit. Ėshtė parim i pėrgjithshėm qė tė mbrohen liritė dhe tė drejtat e qytetarėve nga dhuna ushtarake e sistemeve diktatoriale.
Rasti i Sirisė prek ndėrgjegjen e popujve tė lirė dhe indiferenca ėshtė e pafalshme pėr historinė.
Vizioni i sė ardhmes sė njerėzve tė lirė dhe tė barabartė ėshtė i rrezikuar nga sistemet diktatoriale dhe bashkėsia ndėrkombėtare e ka pėr obligim moral dhe ligjor tė intervenojė nė mbrojtje tė lirisė sė qytetarėve. /Zeri/
http://www.zeri.info/artikulli/13680...ato-se-ne-siri
Obama thotė se SHBA ka 'detyrim' pėr tė vepruar nė Siri
Duke deklaruar se ndihet “i lodhur nga lufta”, por i vendosur pėr ta vendosur Sirinė para pėrgjegjėsisė pėr pėrdorimin e armėve kimike, presidenti Barack Obama tha gjatė sė premtes se ėshtė duke marrė nė konsideratė njė kundėrpėrgjigje tė kufizuar ndaj asaj, qė inteligjenca amerikane e vlerėsoi me “besueshmėri tė lartė” si sulmi sirian qė vrau mbi 1400 persona.
Obama tha pėr reporterėt se ende nuk ka marrė njė vendim pėrfundimtar, por la tė kuptohej pėr njė ndėrhyrje ushtarake, qė sipas burimeve dhe ekspertėve qė do tė detyronte pėrdorimin e raketave “cruise” tė lėshuara nga anijet e Marinės amerikane drejt objektivave tė ushtrisė siriane, por jo nė ndonjė depo tė armėve kimike.
“Nuk ėshė nė interesin e sigurisė kombėtare tė Shteteve tė Bashkuara, tė injorohen shkelje tė qarta” - tė asaj qė ai e quajti “normė ndėrkombėtare” qė ndalon pėrdorimin e armėve kimike, - tha Obama gjatė njė takimi me krerėt e vendeve baltike, Lituanisė, Letonisė dhe Estonisė.
Ai e quajti sulmin sirian njė “sfidė ndaj botės”, qė kėrcėnon aleatėt amerikanė nė rajon, Izraelin, Turqinė dhe Jordaninė, ndėrkohė qė shton edhe rrezikun qė kėto lloj armėsh tė bien nė duart e terroristėve.
Mė herėt, Sekretari i Shtetit, John Kerry, publikoi detajet e njė raporti tė nxjerrė nga lista e dokumenteve sekrete tė inteligjencės amerikane, nė pėrpjekje pėr tė fituar mbėshtetje brenda dhe jashtė, pėr njė kundėrpėrgjigje ushtarake kundėr qeverisė sė presidentit Bashar al-Assad.
Gjithsesi, aleatėt e NATO-s kėrkojnė autorizimin nga OKB tė ndonjė pėrgjigjeje ushtarake, diēka qė si Kerry edhe Obama e kanė pothuajse tė pamundur, pėr shkak tė kundėrshtimit tė anėtarit tė pėrhershėm tė Kėshillit tė Sigurisė, Rusisė, njė aleat i vjetėr i Sirisė.
“Do tė preferoja qė komuniteti ndėrkombėtar tė kishte vepruar tashmė”, tha Obama, duke theksuar “paaftėsinė e Kėshillit tė Sigurisė pėr tė lėvizur pėrballė shkeljes sė qartė tė normave ndėrkombėtare”.
Ai shprehu frustrimin e tij me mungesėn e mbėshtetjes ndėrkombėtare, duke thėnė se “shumė njerėz mendojnė se diēka duhet bėrė, por askush nuk kėrkon ta bėjė atė”.
“Ėshtė e rėndėsishme pėr ne tė pranojmė se, kur vriten mbi 1000 persona, pėrfshi qindra fėmijė tė pafajshėm, pėrmes pėrdorimit tė njė arme, qė 98-99% e njerėzimit thotė se nuk duhet pėrdorur nė luftė, dhe kur nuk ndėrmerret ndonjė veprim, atėherė ne po u dėrgojmė njė sinjal atyre se normat ndėrkombėtare nuk ka ndonjė peshė specifike”, tha Obama. “Madje, ky pėrbėn njė rrezik pėr sigurinė tonė kombėtare”.
http://www.botasot.info/bota/239141/...pruar-ne-siri/
Kjo mbi besueshmerine e SHBA-se edhe munde te jete e vertet,thjesht kane investuar aq shume ne Siri qe terheqjen mbas ketyre ngjarjeve nuk munde ta perpijne.Do humbnin shume.
Por si munde te jete kercenuar sigurija e SHBA dhe e Botes,kur sot nuk ka me antagonizma ushtarako-ideologjike si gjate periudhes se "luftes se Ftohte" dhe nje konflikt rajonal te shenderrohet ne kercenim ne permasa boterore ?
Madje te rrezosh Assadin dhe te instalosh "opoziten" e Sirise ,e cila eshte e perbere nga - ekstremist,muhaxhedin,fanatik qe nuk e dijne as ku gjinden dhe per cka luftojne te arrdhura nga vende te ndryshme te botes,Al-Nusra,Xhihadist,Al-Qaeda...Madje edhe Opozita e vertet e Sirise eshte minore ndaj ketyre grupeve,eshte e nenshtruar. E rrezikon sigurine e SHBA-se !!! Mos eshte e kunderta ?
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