si mendoni ju : a e ndalon apo jo bibla ngenien e mishit te derrit?

[EDVIR]

ju lutem lexoni librin e leviticus 11:7-8 , deutoronomy14:7-8, isaiah65:2-4 dhe 66:17
ne adresen e meposhtme :
http://www.tagnet.org/bible/index.ht...up=ALB+Genesis 1+1

[ABIGAIL]

Pershendetje Edvir!

Vertet ne Dhjaten e Vjeter, ku ke permendur ti Perendia e konsideronte te papaster mishin e derrit dhe ishte e ndaluar, por ne Dhjaten e Re, kur u be Testamenti i Ri, ndryshuan shume gjera.
Dhe ne Dhjaten e Re, Perendia thote: Hani Gjithcka qe shitet tek kasapi... sepse Perendia pastroi gjithcka... etj. Po te duash ta gjej se ku thuhet se tani nuk me kujtohet dhe nuk kam shume kohe.

Pastaj kjo gje eshte vendim i yti, nese ti nuk deshiron te hash, mos ha, nuk te konsiderohet si mekat.

Nese dikush tjeter deshiron te haje, le te haje, edhe kjo nuk i konsiderohet si mekat.

Me respekt Abigail

[rudo]

kete teme e kam hapur une tek A I PERMBAHEN TE KRISHTERET BIBLES. JU LUTEM LEXONI ATJE DHE DO TA SHIKONI QE BIBLA E NDALON NGRENIEN E MISHIT TE DERRIT

[i krishteri]

gjeja qe me habit eshte se ti nuk do te dish edhe te kuptosh por ben nje petje budallalleke pa pergjigje..ne pak fjale flet per veten tende.i dashur mik nese do te kuptosh Biblen atehere lutju Perendise qe te te pergjigjet sepse siç e ke marrur ti.. ehe.

dua te te shpjegoj diçka i dashur mik: Bibla nese disa gjera qe thuheshinm ne dhjaten e vjeter nuk i pranon me, eshte per faktin sepse nuk jane me te rendesishme per njeriun edhe dua te te them se nesa ne dhjaten e re i ka thene te ndryshe, jo per ti mohuar por per ti rinovuar.a e di pse Perendia nuk i pranon me keto gjera? a e di ti se ç'fare kerkon Perendia prej teje..sipas teje Perendia ka ndonje ngritje rroge nese ti edhe une i bejme keto gjera. ne dhjaten e vjeter, atje ku ti ke sjellur edhe kete rresht thuhet se Perendia do zemrat tona edhe jo ligjin vetem. Nese neve nuk i hapim zemren edhe e bejme diçka me detyrim, jo sepse e ndihejme atehere nuk e kemi kuptuar Perendine.Perendia nese na ka krijuar per te na dhene nje dhurate(Parajsen), ata qe e kane kuptuar se si mund ta marrin dhuraten e Perendise duhet te flasin edhe me tetjeret qe edhe te tjeret ta marrin kete dhurat, por fakti se si Perendia e jep eshte shume me ndryshe se si e interpretoni ju myslymanet. Fjala dhurat nuk ka kuptim tjeter edhe dhurata nuk duhet qe ti te jesh i detyruar per gjerat por duhet ta ndihesh ne Zemer.

nejse ka shume gjera qe ti nuk mund ti kuptosh edhe une te them te drejten po harxhoj vetem kohen sepse as keto nuk i ke kuptuar.

mois harro se nese do nje pergjigje atehere lutju Perendise qe te ta japi personalish sepse neve nuk na beson ne ate qe te tregojme ose shpjegojme, por deri atehere nuk dua qe te degjoj budallalleqe dha pallavrat e tua sepse mjaft degjoj ne kete forum!!!

[J.LE.77]

per te krishterin ...... lexo me shum se ke nevoj

[ROMANTIK]

Zoti ka then mos ban gjana te kqija
sa per me hanger ha sa te dush e ca te dush

[J.LE.77]

ne KURAN thuhet ne vargjet e para(studio dhe me meso)e di eshte nje fjal qe kisha e ka luftuar ter jeten. te kuptoj !

[fieraku]

I dashur i krishtere sipas teje vetem ti dike shume gjera dhe vetem ti e kuptoke Perendine qe sipas jush ka lejuar shume gjera po mos harro se keto gjera nuk jua ka lejuar vet Jezui por ishte Pali ai qe e beri kete dhe te lutem kujtohu pak se kush ishte pali para se te na behej kaq i shenjte, dhe pasi na behet kaq i shenjte ai paska kopetenca qe te bej kaq shume ndryshime, mos valle Krishti sa ishte gjalle nuk mund ti thoshte keto??????????'
Dhe persa i perket diturise apo shkences: Ne KURAN permenden te verteta shkencore qe jan arritur te zbulohen vetem shekullin e XX ndersa ne kohen e pushtetit te kishes nqs nje dijetar guxonte te thoshte se toka eshte e rrumbullaket ai do te quhej heretik dhe perfundimi i tij dihej qe ishte turra e druve, a mund te me thuash se pse u dogj ne turren e druve Xhordano Bruno???????? dhe sot papa na kerkoka falje per ato qe ka bere kisha ne te shkuaren. cfare tregon kjo? mos vall tregone qendrueshmerine e fese tuaj apo dashurine tuaj ndaj shkences ndersa ti thua "lutju Perendis qe te kuptosh" ose me fjale te tjera "prit kocka nga qielli" jo i dashur ne muslimanet kemi nje menyre tjetr per te kuptuar ate te studimit sepe shpallja e KURANIT ka nisur me fjalen "LEXO" qe dmth meso, studjo ndersa Profeti Islam Muhamedi ka thene "mereni diturine nga cdokush qe e zoteron ate" ndersa BIBLA sot perfshihet nga kunderthenje te pa numerta si rezultat i ndryshimeve qe kan bere njerezit ne te por juve i merni gjerat si tju pelqejne

Me respekt fieraku

[cunimartum]

heu bre
pse s'thoni juve qe i paska ndryshuar menia zotit (ESTAGFIRYLLAH)
lum ne per ju
as qe ja vlen ta vazhdoj se ju te krishteret keni nje zakon te keq sado qe te mundohesh tju japesh argumenta juve prap vazhdoni me endra ne diell jo me fal (zoti ka thene keshtu)
posi jo po zoti apo pali se spo e kuptoj tani
ehuuuu kot qe lodhem

[J.LE.77]

E VJETRA PO E REJA SDI KA SHUM PER MENDININ TIM

[EDVIR]

faleminderit per pjesemarrjen :
le ta vazhdojme atehere me ate cka thot testamenti i ri per testamentin e vjeter tek Mateu 5 :17-20
17-mos mendoni se une erdha per te SHFUQIZUAR ligjin ose profetet ,une nuk erdha per ti SHFUQIZUAR po per ti plotesuar
18- sepse ne te vertet ju them ,deri sa qielli dhe toka , te kalojne asnje jote a asnje pike e ligjit nuk do te kalojne , para se te plotesohet gjithcka
19-ai pra ,qe do te shkele nje nga keto urdherime me te vogla dhe do tu kete mesuar keshtu njerezve do te quhet me i vogli ne mbreterine e qiejve , kurse ai qe do ti vere ne praktike dhe do tua mesoje te tjerve do te quhet i madh ne mbreterin e qiejve
20-prandaj une po ju them :neqoftese drejtesia juaj nuk eshte me e larte nga ajo e skribeve dhe e farisenjve ju nuk do te hyni fare ne mbreterine e qiejve .

tani me sa shohim Jezusi nuk erdhi per te ndryshuar ashtu si na thot Abigail apo per te rinovuar ashtu si na thot i Krishteri, ai erdhi per te plotesuar, cka do te thote qe ligji i vjeter pra testamenti i vjeter eshte ne fuqi .
i Krishtere je shume i mirepritur qe te mos e harxhos kohen kot tek kjo teme .

[GRESI30]

Zoti ka thone:- O NJERZ IDIOTE QE VECSE LLAPNI E GJO TJETer nuk boni SHKONI E MESONI DITUROHUNI HANI EDHE MISH GAMORI PO TE DONI....vetem njeriu ne hise mos u hyni....
Me nderime per te tere besimtaret...

[iql]

o popull injorant
Ai tha nu ka rendesi c'fare shtini per goje
e rendesishme eshte ajo qe nxirrni nga goja
dhe sa per per ato qe thoni se kurani thote te verteta shkencore qe jane zbuluar ne shekullin e XX do te keni lexuar Zhyl Vern;
o tempra o mores
o turpi i shekujve

[iql]

o fierak
ai muhameti yt nuk ka ditur as te lexoj as te shkruaj vetem te shfytyroje

[EuroStar1]

o iql ej e di sa e forte eshte kjo toka jone....

te mbaj nje debil kaq te mencur si ty si te mos jete e forte

[EDVIR]

ju lutem mos dilni nga tema , une e hapa temen qe te shoh se si i argumentoni ju keto vargje jo per te ditur se cili eshte opinioni juaj personal mbi jeten por duke u mbeshtetur ne fakte dhe konkretisht ne kete rast ne vargjet e mesiperme , nese dikush ka digjka per te shtuar eshte i mirepritur nese jo atehere don te thote qe une kam te drejte te mendoj se bibla e ndalon ngrenien e mishit te derrit ,
edhe nje here po ju kujtoj se po diskutojme per ato qe thuhen ne bibel , po flasim me fakte , me vargje te marra nga bibla .....

[cunimartum]

DISA GJERA INTERESANTE MBI MISHIN E DERRIT
ME FALNI QE SPO I PERKTHEJ


Abstention from eating pork is a measure to safeguard
health.Of all the domestic animals, pig is the most
avaricious, eating anything including human excreta. It is the
cradle of harmful germs and parasites. Its meat is carrier of
diseases to man, thus making it unfit for human consumption.

CHARACTER OF PIG

All types of animals are lawful to be eaten whether those
living on land or in the water except those animals specifically
forbidden in the Holy Writings revealed by the Almighty Creator
and the sayings of the Prophet with clear and well defined
injunctions.
Pig belong to the forbidden animals, and not allowed to be
eaten by the believers. Pig eats almost anything dirty and they
are very lazy animals. It is the most avaricious of all domestic
animals. Amongst all animals, pig is the cradle of harmful germs.
It's meat serves as carrier of diseases to mankind. It is this
very reason that made it unfit for human consumption consumption.

DISEASES CAUSED BY PORK

The following lists show germs or parasites that are found
in pork and some diseases caused by them. Many of these
diseases are contagious while some are proven fatal.This proves
that the more science advances the more Islam is shown correct
as a religion of God.

PARASITIC DISEASES

a) TRICHINELLA SPIRATIS ( Trichina worms )
It is the most dangerous parasite to man ( Rheumatism and
muscular pain). The infected persons shown no symptoms, recover
very slowly some die, some reduced to permanent invalids. No one
is immune from this disease and there is no cure.

b) TAENIA SOLIUM ( Pork tape worm )
The worm causes malnourishment of the person leading
to anemia, diarrhea, extreme depression melancholia and
digestive disturbances. Cysticercosis means that larva enter
the blood stream then settle down in one or more of the vital
organs of the body, for example: brain, liver, lungs or spinal
cord. They grow and encapsulate, inducing pressure to the
system around, resulting in dangerous diseases (diarrhea,
digestive disorder, anemia, chronic invalidation).

c) ROUND WORMS
Examples: Ascaris, which may lead to digestive
disturbances, appendicitis, obstructive jaundice.

d) HOOK WORMS
Examples:Ancylostomiasis, which may lead to
anemia, oedema, heart failure or retarded
growth ( mental and physical), tuberculosis,
diarrhea and typhoid.

e) SCHITOSOMA JAPONICUM
Bleeding, anemia and other syndromes. If ova
are settled in the brain or spinal cord, paralysis
and death may occur.

f) PARAGOMINES WESTERMAINI
Infestation leading to bleeding of the lungs
( endenve haemoptysis)

g) PACIOLEPSIS BUSKI
Digestive disturbances leading to persistent
diarrhea; generalized oedema.

h) CLONORCHIS SINENSIS
chlonorchiasis-obstructive jaundice, liver enlargement.

i) METASTRONGYLUS APRI
Causes bronchitis, abscess of the lungs.

j) GIGANTHORINCHUS GIGAS
Cause anemia and digestive disorders.

k) BALATITIDIUM COLI
Causes acute dysentery and general weakness.

BACTERIAL DISEASES

1. Tuberculosis
2. Fusiformis necrofurus: causing foot-rot which is very
difficult to heal.
3. Salmonella Cholera suis: causing cholera
4. Paratyphoid
5. Bruceellosis: Acute, sub acute and chronic. It may lead
to permanent disabilities.
6. Swine Erysipelas: causing Erypelas in man.

Viral Diseases
1. Small pox: is was a source of infection to man.
2. Japanese B-encepphalitis: It is the source of infection
3. Influenza, foot mouth disease, gas tro-enteritis of the
new born babies.

Protozoal Diseases : Toxo plasma goundii- It is a very
dangerous diseases.A new born baby of an infected woman may die
within few days or weeks after delivery. But if he survives
he may develop blindness or deafness.In adult chronic exhaustive
fever with enlarged liver and spleen may occur. Pneumonia, or
celebro- spinal meninggitis which may lead to death or madness.
The patient may become blind and deaf too.

Fats In Pigs:
Pork contains more fats than other meats.
Therefore, people who are fond of pork are more obese than
others. Cholesterol is higher in their blood thus making them
more prone to asthereosclerosis cardiovascular accidents and
sudden death.

Other Diseases :
Flesh of the pork is hard to digest and may
lead to chronic digestive disturbances. Pimples, boils, cysts are
common in pork eaters. These are some of the parasites and
diseases found in pork and/ or the skin of pigs and certainly
there are many more. There is still no means of killing these
parasites, in the tissues, neither has anyone found a method of
expelling them, even produced any specific treatment for the
diseases.


BIBLICAL ASPECT OF THE PROHIBITION

Old Testament

The Jews and the different christian sects and denominations
believe in the Old Testament. Adherents of other religions
alleged that the prohibition was already superseded by the New
Testament.This cogent argumentation is inconclusive. No one can
specifically point out that Jesus Christ (PBUH) lifted the
prohibition. On the contrary, he upheld it he declared:


" Think not that I have come to abolish the law
and the prophets: I have come not to abolish
them but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17 RSV)

Jesus Christ (PBUH) was obviously referring to the existing
Law of his time , the Mosaic Law !- in which the Law prohibiting
pig as article of food is mentioned. ( Leviticus 11:7-11)

" As for any beast that is a splitter of the hoof
but is not a former of the cleft and not a chewer
of the cud, they are unclean for you. Everyone
touching them will be unclean. "
Leviticus 11:26


In addition, the book of Prophet Isaiah said:

" Who sit in tombs, and spend the night in secret
places who eats swine's flesh and broth of
abominable things is in their vessels;... These
are a smoke in my nostrils,a fire that burns
all the day. " ( Isaiah 65:4,5b RSV)


The New Testament
Despite the Biblical injunction prohibiting pork as food,
still people of other religious persuations insist on finding
ways and reasons to justify their consumption of prohibited
animals arguing that said Biblical prohibition was already
superseded in the New Testament when in certainly, no one can
specifically point out that Jesus Christ (PBUH) indeed lifted the
prohibition. On the contrary, Jesus (PBUH) declared:

" Think not that I have come to abolish the law
and the prophets. I have come not to abolish but
to fulfill them. " ( Matthew 5:17 )

The fact is, we will find in Mark 5:1-20 that Jesus (PBUH)
even permitted the foul spirits (evil spirits) possessing a man
to enter into the herb of swine. Since the flesh of pig is
unlawful for the Jews, to eat and since it is considered
unclean, (Leviticus 11:7-8) consequently, the Jews are not to keep
or raise them. This Biblical account states that Jesus (PBUH)
punished the owners of the swine;destroyed their unlawful
livelihood and at the same time showed that pig is the habitat of
unclean spirits.
The only provision in the New Testament alluded to their
argument is in Act 10:10-16. Without reading the whole
context, one would be inclined to interpret it to mean that God
abrogated His previous command found on Deuteronomy 14:3-8. An
alleged apparition of Peter on Acts 10:11-16 is alleged to
supersede Deuteronomy 14:3-8, however, nowhere in the Bible is it
mentioned that Peter actually slaughtered and ate the unclean
animals he saw in his apparition. The correct interpretation of
this apparition was shown to him in Acts 10:25-28. Acts 10:11-16
therefore, carries an allegorical connotation,r eferring
explicitly to the Gentile nations or non-Jewish nations. Peter
was told not to call the Gentiles common and unclean because
God's mercy, blessing and forgiveness also encompasses the Non
Jews and life eternal also awaits the penitent.
In the Bible, Jesus(PBUH) likened to a dog and pig those
people whom after receiving divine teaching failed to profit from
them and abuses them for self-serving purposes:

" Do not give holy to dogs- they will only turn and
attack you. Do not throw your pearls in front of
pigs-they will only trample them underfoot. "
( Matthew 7:6 NEB)





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